Originally posted by Draco69
In depth demonstration of Playstation Online "Home" :http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=17701&type=mov
It's very cool in my opinion and it's a cool way to interact online with the gaming community.
That looks way cool 🙂
That video had subliminal messages in it though 🙁
Originally posted by AstroFan
Thats what he was saying dude. 🙄They will work on a standard TV, but they dont look good enough to justify the 600 you pay for it.
Sry for misunderstanding.
But here's something logic:
The world is starting to get HDTV... You can't say no to that, more and more people are buying HDTV's.
So, more people buy HDTV's= Soon people will have alot of HDTV's
PS3 looks the best at HDTV's.
So, it means that most people will want to get the PS3 to have the best graphics on an HDTV.
Originally posted by LinixCobra
First off PS3 is missing simple "Friends List" features like Wii or XBOX360. When they anounced this Home feature it sorta made me think... A) Is this a seperate feature where its like Phantasy Star Universe, Habbo, Second Life or B) is this their missing friends feature. If you own a PS3 right now there is not reason why you should hate it because this is what you will be using and hence you have to support it. The idea of getting virtual stuff such as tvs, shirts etc by beating the first boss (sort of like achievments) is not so appealing. If I owned a PS3 and maybe I will in the future this is definitely one feature that I would never use because I could simple use HABBO or Second Life. I dont need a console for MMO style lobby just to chat with friends.
The PS3 Online is expanded online interface. The PS3 has a simple friends list and all the other standards of online gaming but Home is pushing the envelope by creating more interactivity and more things to do.
Home is a great feature that appeals to some people. But other gamers don't like it because they see it as "too much" or "too complicated".
Originally posted by Smasandian
For the majority of games, yes.Sure, you dont have to play with an HDTV...but whats the point, unlike the XBOX 360, the PS3 looks like shit on SDTV boxes. What's the point of paying $600 bucks for an system if it looks like shit without an HDTV. I'm not including the cost of componenet cables, or the highly touted FULL HD HDMI cables.
That's not true. Firmwire updates fixed that problem months ago along with the "downscaling" problem.
PS3 video games look fine on standard TV.
The "need" to get an HDTV is a complete and utter myth in order to use a PS3.
Unfortunately, there's alot misinformation and outright lack of knowledge concerning the PS3's capablities particularly by those who don't own them or misinterpretation from Kutagari's idiotic ramblings.
It will take atleast a couple of years before the mass populations inherit HDTV's. Atleast 5 years.
But your wrong. By that time, people will know about HD, and will be used to HD that they wont need to spend $600 bucks on the PS3 to showcase its gorgeous picture. TV channels will already be in HD.
Your also forgetting that the PS3 isnt the only option for HD graphics. Something called the XBOX 360, does the same thing, but $200 cheaper.
Originally posted by Smasandian
It will take atleast a couple of years before the mass populations inherit HDTV's. Atleast 5 years.But your wrong. By that time, people will know about HD, and will be used to HD that they wont need to spend $600 bucks on the PS3 to showcase its gorgeous picture. TV channels will already be in HD.
Your also forgetting that the PS3 isnt the only option for HD graphics. Something called the XBOX 360, does the same thing, but $200 cheaper.
Yes, and Sony's anticipating that. With the Blu-Ray format. As stated in another thread, Sony is likely trying to dominate the HD format market before it comes to pass.
They conclude that the cost of Blu-Ray will dramatically drop in price as the years pass (more so since Blu-Ray seems to have the support of nearly every movie corporation and they are out-selling HD-DVD by a 4:1) It's really all about capital.
They forsee HD programming and formats as being the media means of tomorrow, so they're taking a stake in it while they can. The PS3 is a vehicle to move it forward a bit faster. And it already has as sales of HDTVs and Blu-Ray discs have surged in the past months.
The Xbox CAN support HD graphics (as can the Wii at lowest resolution) but it cannot play HD movies without the add-on which makes its value equal to the PS3. Sony is anticipating that with increasing movement to HD programming, the PS3 will be seen as the more desirable console to own.
It's not any coincedence that the PS3's price is likely to drop during the same year that HD programming will become standard and HDTV TVs are estimated to drop in price to within the buying range of normal, average income families.
Originally posted by AstroFan
Thats what he was saying dude. 🙄They will work on a standard TV, but they dont look good enough to justify the 600 you pay for it.
Again, firmware updated fixed this bug months ago.
PS3 games DO look worst on standard TV than HDTV...but all HD games are supposed to look this way.
The price won't "justify" itself until good AA games come out and the PS3 meets its stride. Which will start to happen this summer and throughout the fall. Particularly with the release of MGS4.
Regardless, the PS3 sales will likely explode in about one year.
Nearly everyone here is going to get one eventually and they know it. I'm not getting one until there's a good portion of games I want, the bugs are fixed, the online Home is properly established, the accessories are done, and the PS3 is chugging out games monthly.
I waited for the PS2 to get good after it's crappy first year and I'll wait again.
News about Metal Gear Solid 4
(*coughoverratedserieseveryonelikesforsomereasoncough*)
Apparently Metal Gear Solid 4 is "too big" for Blu-Ray:
Comment from a blog (the link goes to a download site for the Podcast)
"This bit of news will probably send the people who actually thought that 9 GB DVD's were enough for this generation of gaming into a frenzy, but as crazy as it sounds, Hideo Kojima recently said that:
"Blu-Ray is too small for Metal Gear Solid 4."
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=QPELQCTS
This is pretty crazy though. I didn't expect a first generation PS3 title to push the limits of Blu-Ray already!
Good luck for pirates ripping this game though. Making backups of 50 GB games doesn't sound easy.
Hideo Kojima is indeed a genius though, and all of this makes me more excited about playing MGS4 and finally seeing what Kojima has in store for us."
The blog guy isn't the best source so I would suggest finding the Podcast on 1up. (He's sounds fanboyish at the very least). But the evidence of the Podcast is rock-solid. From Kojima's perspective anyway.
Assuming that Kojima isn't lying about MGS4 being nearly to the brim of 50 GB, 4 to 5 DVDs (COMPRESSED that is not uncompressed) would be required to contain the entiriety of the game. This means a port of MGS4 is either going to be the return of multi-disk games (like FF7) and it's going to be very expensive to boot, or a port to the Xbox 360 simply won't be possible. Unless they start to store their games on HD-DVD.
Now this necessarily doesn't mean that MGS4 is going to be HUGE. It could mean that it's filled with alot of features and audio options. Or it could mean that MGS4 really IS huge and absolutely crazy in gameplay.
Which may explain why many next-generation games are very short (5 to 10 hours to complete) Gears of War is the pinnacle of console graphic achievement but it's rather short in single-player gameplay and loose in features. The best (as in many shooters) comes in the online play.
LAIR reportedly will also use a good portion of the storage space on Blu-Ray discs. As will FFXII.
It's interesting to see that Blu-Ray, a format that has no initial benefit to consumers as of now, may very well be beneficial to gamers (and producers) in the future.
Originally posted by Spidervlad
I don't see whats the big point of waiting, we already know that young adopters of PS3's are getting a better deal, since they are getting the backward compability chip. Home, firmware, friend list, and the bugs are being fixed by system updates.
All systems have a shelf-life. Electronics break down. That's why it's better to get a new model that's better made and has the techs tuned out to perfection to get the best version of said electronic.
The first-generation PS3s will not last as long as a second-generation PS3 and so on.
All electronics have this common identity.
Most people here have stated to wait until the price decreases and good games come out.
Not all bugs can be fixed with Firmware. Especially ones that are physical.
I mean, look at the "Eye of Sauron" bug on the Xbox 360 early models.
Originally posted by Draco69
Yes, and Sony's anticipating that. With the Blu-Ray format. As stated in another thread, Sony is likely trying to dominate the HD format market before it comes to pass.They conclude that the cost of Blu-Ray will dramatically drop in price as the years pass (more so since Blu-Ray seems to have the support of nearly every movie corporation and they are out-selling HD-DVD by a 4:1) It's really all about capital.
They forsee HD programming and formats as being the media means of tomorrow, so they're taking a stake in it while they can. The PS3 is a vehicle to move it forward a bit faster. And it already has as sales of HDTVs and Blu-Ray discs have surged in the past months.
The Xbox CAN support HD graphics (as can the Wii at lowest resolution) but it cannot play HD movies without the add-on which makes its value equal to the PS3. Sony is anticipating that with increasing movement to HD programming, the PS3 will be seen as the more desirable console to own.
It's not any coincedence that the PS3's price is likely to drop during the same year that HD programming will become standard and HDTV TVs are estimated to drop in price to within the buying range of normal, average income families.
As has been said many times before...digital programming becoming the standard does NOT equal HD programming becoming the standard. Digital ≠ HD. Considering how long digital TV has been around and the fact that it's just NOW becoming the standard and default in a couple years, I don't think HD would become standard for a good long while.
Also, could you please back up your claim of blu-ray outselling HD-DVD by such a margin? Because last time you stated that, the case was actually that overall HD-DVD was selling more and blu-ray had outsold HD-DVD for one particular week, which was one in which the only HD movies released were on blu-ray.
I kinda have to disagree with MGS4 being compressed and still take up almost all the space on a BluRay disc... thats just talkin out of their ass. If it takes up almost all the space its because its not compressed. Take a look at Elder Scrolls 4, that fit on 1 dvd. You have to remember compression techniques are becoming better.
Originally posted by LinixCobra
I kinda have to disagree with MGS4 being compressed and still take up almost all the space on a BluRay disc... thats just talkin out of their ass. If it takes up almost all the space its because its not compressed. Take a look at Elder Scrolls 4, that fit on 1 dvd. You have to remember compression techniques are becoming better.
I agree. If anything, that means they haven't yet worked out decent compression techniques.
Originally posted by Lana
As has been said many times before...digital programming becoming the standard does NOT equal HD programming becoming the standard. Digital ≠ HD.
It's not that simple. Digital programming comes in different variations of "i" and "p". TECHNICALLY, it is High-Definition. Regular analog signals are in 480i (analog). Digital programming can go as low as 480p to as high as 720p (1080i or 1080p isn't possible yet as of now). Digital programming can be played on normal televisions (using a special converter). Digital programming uses an axis of 480 by width of 680.
HD programming is usually (but inaccurately defined) as 720p and above.
Will HD become the standard? Eventually in few years as technology trends head in that direction. Computers, movies, games, music, etc.
Originally posted by Lana
Considering how long digital TV has been around and the fact that it's just NOW becoming the standard and default in a couple years, I don't think HD would become standard for a good long while.
Digital and HD programming has been around for about 8 years to the general public.
But if it's anything we've learned is that technology moves very, very fast.
It's not easy to predict but it won't happen for about 5 to 10 years. However with the growing attention to HD by nearly every media division, this could reasonably hasten the transition.
Originally posted by Lana
Also, could you please back up your claim of blu-ray outselling HD-DVD by such a margin? Because last time you stated that, the case was actually that overall HD-DVD was selling more and blu-ray had outsold HD-DVD for one particular week, which was one in which the only HD movies released were on blu-ray.
That's old news. As of now, the most current news, I could find, Blu-Ray format dominates the next-gen format war with Blu-Ray owning 65% of the market and HD-DVD 35% of the the market. These are the very latest sales figures I could find. As the trends indicate, the Blu-Ray format has steadily been eating up the market with each passing week.
http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=197800664&cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News
Originally posted by Draco69
That's old news. As of now, the most current news, I could find, Blu-Ray format dominates the next-gen format war with Blu-Ray owning 65% of the market and HD-DVD 35% of the the market. These are the very latest sales figures I could find. As the trends indicate, the Blu-Ray format has steadily been eating up the market with each passing week.http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=197800664&cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News
Did you remember to equat the sales of PS3 into that statement?
Originally posted by LinixCobra
I kinda have to disagree with MGS4 being compressed and still take up almost all the space on a BluRay disc... thats just talkin out of their ass. If it takes up almost all the space its because its not compressed. Take a look at Elder Scrolls 4, that fit on 1 dvd. You have to remember compression techniques are becoming better.
It does sound like a dubious claim by Kojima but we'll see. I don't remember anything from Kojima being considered a lie.
They've compressed several components specifically the audio since it takes up a considerable amount of space.
However, it really doesn't matter if Kojima's claim is true.
If say, completely (I mean everything) uncompressed data of MGS4 were to fill 50 GBs, it would take 4 to 5 COMPRESSED DVDs to contain all the data. Even the very best compression techs could only hope to house the entire game in about 4 discs. It's similar to the Final Fantasy games on the PS1. It had so much data that even WITH compression it needed to space the game on several discs.
If Kojima is telling the truth or something close to the truth, then Sony may have been correct on using a larger storage space for next-gen games.
However this of course depends on the content and what Kojima puts in it.
Originally posted by LinixCobra
Did you remember to equat the sales of PS3 into that statement?
Well, yeah. Obviously, the PS3 pushed their format so they could gobble up a considerable amount of the market. Which is what they intended all along.
DVD didn't really come into fruitation until the PS2 came along and gave it that extra push into mainstream.
They hope to copy this strategy this time along using current trends pointing towards HD.
However they may or may not be successful.
Initially, it looks like it's in their favor and Blu-Ray will win.
However initially of course, it looks like PS3 will finish third in the console wars.
Both show it's too early to tell.
EDIT: And thinking logically, the PS3 has yet to release in Europe and Australia and the rest of the world. It's release in America and Japan have turned the tide towards Blu-Ray. Assuming that people of course buy the PS3 in Europe and Australia (judging record-breaking pre-orders they probably will), the Blu-Ray sales will only increase as a result. And it may be the extra push it needs to dominate the market.
Prices of Blu-Ray players and discs are already dropping in price as a result of considerable market acquiestion. On Amazon, I believe, that many Blu-Ray discs are considerably dropping in price to match DVD. For example, the average price is $20.
Even new Blu-Ray discs like Casino Royale are just as expensive as DVD discs in regular retail with a price of $28-29 each.
Originally posted by Draco69
It does sound like a dubious claim by Kojima but we'll see. I don't remember anything from Kojima being considered a lie.They've compressed several components specifically the audio since it takes up a considerable amount of space.
However, it really doesn't matter if Kojima's claim is true.
If say, completely (I mean everything) uncompressed data of MGS4 were to fill 50 GBs, it would take 4 to 5 COMPRESSED DVDs to contain all the data. Even the very best compression techs could only hope to house the entire game in about 4 discs. It's similar to the Final Fantasy games on the PS1. It had so much data that even WITH compression it needed to space the game on several discs.
If Kojima is telling the truth or something close to the truth, then Sony may have been correct on using a larger storage space for next-gen games.
However this of course depends on the content and what Kojima puts in it.
Back then a CD was and still is 700MB and compression techniques were not as good as they are in todays world. We also have to factor in the way developers use their coding. They could have 10 lines of code but in reality they could easily do it in 5 (for those who know about coding and have actually done it you would know that the easiest way to code is to use the long version instead of something complicated). But this is Kojima so whether he is telling the truth we cant really say until the game comes out.
As an IT technician I find it hard to believe 1 game already takes up almost the entire BluRay disc "compressed"... I will agree that a game such as MGS4 may take up more than 1 DVD disc but then again if MGS4 takes up 1 BluRay disc then how long do you expect this game to be? This would be the first game thats not an RPG to take up so much space.