Originally posted by Peach
About only being able to find used Xbox games - that would be because there has not been a single new game made for the system for a year now. Not just new games coming out, but new copies of games.
Damn, you'd think they'd have a stockpile of unbought games lying around somewhere...ebay, here I come.
Side question, what do you do with all the unsold last gen games at EB? Return them or sell them at discounts?
Originally posted by xNIXSONx
people dont buy consoles for their multi plat. games, they buy them for the exclusives, such as MGS4, or Halo 3, or whatever it has to offer.
And so far the PS3 doesn't have really amazing worth wide exclusive games out besides MTG4 where as both Microsoft and Nintendo have a nice library of good exclusive games. I'm still waiting for a game to come out for the PS3 that makes me want to buy one and since FFXIII is now coming out for the 360 it seems I may have to wait.
Maybe if they make a sequel to Shadows of the Colossus just for the PS3 I'll look into it but for now I see no reason to buy one when I can get most of the games for that console on the 360. As for the PSN you get what you pay for and you pay nothing. But hey Sony is doing online better then Nintendo is right now but Nintendo is starting to catch up.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
And so far the PS3 doesn't have really amazing worth wide exclusive games out besides MTG4 where as both Microsoft and Nintendo have a nice library of good exclusive games. I'm still waiting for a game to come out for the PS3 that makes me want to buy one and since FFXIII is now coming out for the 360 it seems I may have to wait.Maybe if they make a sequel to Shadows of the Colossus just for the PS3 I'll look into it but for now I see no reason to buy one when I can get most of the games for that console on the 360. As for the PSN you get what you pay for and you pay nothing. But hey Sony is doing online better then Nintendo is right now but Nintendo is starting to catch up.
the PS3 has plenty of games that are exclusive, one of my favourites is Ratchet and Clank, it rivals pixar in story telling and great characters and humour and its solid. MGS4 i dont need to even explain, it is the main reason to own a PS3. Uncharted although short, is also very good. For the sim racer, GTPrologue, gran turismo is a well known and trusted series. WarHawk, MotorStorm, Resistance are all top level. Plus they're are plenty of great games coming out like Resistance 2, LBP, Killzone 2, Socom Confrontation, Motorstorm 2.
the development time between Ico and Shadow of the Colossus took 4 years, and its been almost that, 2009 is the fourth year, til whatever they have to reveal for us. Whatever it is. its gonna be good. and im fine with free online. Ive never had a problem with PSN, when i play COD4 and MGO its always filled with people
Xbox 360 has Gears, Halo, and Fable, the most arent true exclusives, they can be found on a PC too. as good as perfect dark and viva pinata might be, they arent killer apps that sell consoles. Just cuz they say there's more, doesnt mean they're all great, i mean Ace combat became exclusive and did that shake any foundations?? What happens if you beat Mario Galaxy, Metroid and Zelda? Animal Crossing and Wii Sports Resort
SDJ: one reason why i wanted FFXIII to be exclusive 1) hope that the cell power and blu ray capabilites could push this game past MGS4 in terms of true PS3 potential and now they sort of have to dumb FFXIII down so the game can fit on a 360 game disc. Thats why i believe it was a shame why Mass Effect wasnt on PS3, it was an expansive game that couldve used the extra storage space and shorter elevator times
i wished Mass Effect wouldve been on PS3 instead, it can barely run on the xbox 360, it was just such a huge expansive game that couldve really used the extra storage space, and couldve had its framerate smoother. Multi platform games like RE5 and stuff will be great, but what if they were specifically tailored for the PS3. I also hope that mysterious game Heavy Rain is good and reveals more info soon.
Smasandian and the joker: SDJ brings up some good points 😉
i also love whoever said if Konami could make MGS4 with no problems why cant a great developer like Valve do the same?
You really do not understand what compression techniques are, do you.
Games taking up 50GB is not necessarily good. It simply means the developer was lazy with compressing it. Compression techniques these days are amazing.
And since when does Mass Effect barely run on the 360? That's what it was designed to run on.
Keep in mind Valve is primarily a PC developer. So it makes perfect sense for them particularly to favor the 360 over the PS3 since the 360 is similar to a PC.
The idea that Valve couldn't develop for the PS3 is quite stupid. They're known as one of the most technologically skilled and successful companies in existence. They could easily develop for the PS3, they just don't see it in their interest.
Originally posted by Peach
You really do not understand what compression techniques are, do you.Games taking up 50GB is not necessarily good. It simply means the developer was lazy with compressing it. Compression techniques these days are amazing.
And since when does Mass Effect barely run on the 360? That's what it was designed to run on.
when i say it can barely run i mean it. It chugs and chugs, the framerate is really unstable, texture pop ins are as common as a sidewalk in the city. To summarize, it suffers from some technical issues. This game truly goes above and beyond in terms of a good game but at the end of the day, it really shows the Xbox 360's limitations. This game needs more processing power. The last 5 monthes before the game came out, was spent specifically on "polishing" this game, and yet whats the deal? i thought it was gonna be polished? the 360 cant keep up with this game?? but dont get me wrong, Mass Effect is a very good game, it has an incredible story and scale (which is its saving grace) and depending on the gamer, it can be non issue, but The very fact that this game was developed and optimized for 360 is a shame since it does not do that.
Compressing is never ever a good thing, why would you want to compress perfect audio for example, to save space? at a slight or greater compromise of quality? HD High resolution texture, uncompressed audio and an even more expansive in game content thanks to Blu ray would make for a near flawless Mass Effect, or any game for that matter, quite frankly, i dont think developers would mind free GBs of space 😉
and just because MGS4 has nearly taken up the entire blu ray disc, doesnt mean its bad. Im not exactly sure if it is compressed or not, if it isnt, thats still impressive enough that a game like this can fit entirely on a BD without compression, we have uncompressed perfect hd quality audio and visual. and high def is one part of next gen, not a mandatory one but still a part of next gen none the less.
and btw its not the idea that Vavle CAN'T develop for PS3, its that they wont, they're good at developing for PC, and the only thing they will extend to is 360 cuz its almost the same. I totally get it, if i was great at basketball why would i play soccer right? but you know, it wouldnt kill
how long has PS3 been out anyways?
Originally posted by xNIXSONx
when i say it can barely run i mean it. It chugs and chugs, the framerate is really unstable, texture pop ins are as common as a sidewalk in the city. To summarize, it suffers from some technical issues. This game truly goes above and beyond in terms of a good game but at the end of the day, it really shows the Xbox 360's limitations. This game needs more processing power. The last 5 monthes before the game came out, was spent specifically on "polishing" this game, and yet whats the deal? i thought it was gonna be polished? the 360 cant keep up with this game?? but dont get me wrong, Mass Effect is a very good game, it has an incredible story and scale (which is its saving grace) and depending on the gamer, it can be non issue, but The very fact that this game was developed and optimized for 360 is a shame since it does not do that.
I have played Mass Effect 4 times, I never had issues. ermm
Originally posted by xNIXSONx
Compressing is never ever a good thing, why would you want to compress perfect audio for example, to save space? at a slight or greater compromise of quality? HD High resolution texture, uncompressed audio and an even more expansive in game content thanks to Blu ray would make for a near flawless Mass Effect, or any game for that matter, quite frankly, i dont think developers would mind free GBs of space 😉
With today's compression techniques being 99% flawless, with virtually no loss and certainly no gamer-noticeable loss, compression is always a good thing. You always want the least amount of data "mass" possible, because it's easier to work with, easier to transfer, and when you get right down to it, takes less time and money to burn to a disc at the end of the day. Compression no longer equals a significant decrease in overall quality. With no cons, compression is always a desirable method.
Originally posted by The j0keR
I have played Mass Effect 4 times, I never had issues. ermm
the texture pop in, and chuggy frame rate, are the first things you would see if you played the game, open your eyes. But it is a great game, in which may be the redeeming factor for the game itself, and gamers like you have gotten past it, and is non issue or no offense, you have poor eye sight? i dont know. I played the game 2 times and there are instances where i would be walking to the lounge place where Wrex was and the floor, wall, and other textures would be absent and it would take 8-10 seconds for the texture to load...even when running into combat, the mountain and ground textures take time to load and pop in, while the frame rate chugs a little...
i have to address again, im not arguing its a bad game, but that it does have issues, issues that may not be the fault of the developers but that the 360 cannot keep up with what its supposed to do
either way, like i stated above, if 5 monthes of polishing this game couldnt do it any justice, maybe there's another reason why the framerate and texture pop ins are there? clearly the developer took a great deal of time to iron out things, so it cant be merely the games fault, 360 much? 😕
General Kaliero: if you say so, if you say compression has no down sides but only advantages, then its all good then
but can i ask, what do you have to say in regards towards ID's Rage game, how it will look better on PS3 than 360 because of storage space on the disc, and about the losing of up to 2 gigs of space per a disc because of information Microsoft requires developers to put on the discs. The developer has also stated that even if the 360 version of the game is on 2 discs (which they want to avoid), the high resolution still cannot be contained on those discs.
what can you tell me, from reading this, that they're using different compression techniques that will ultimately render some textures less sharp on 360
Originally posted by xNIXSONx
the texture pop in, and chuggy frame rate, are the first things you would see if you played the game, open your eyes. But it is a great game, in which may be the redeeming factor for the game itself, and gamers like you have gotten past it, and is non issue or no offense, you have poor eye sight? i dont know. I played the game 2 times and there are instances where i would be walking to the lounge place where Wrex was and the floor, wall, and other textures would be absent and it would take 8-10 seconds for the texture to load...even when running into combat, the mountain and ground textures take time to load and pop in, while the frame rate chugs a little...
I've played Mass Effect and I have yet seen a texture just pop in or pretty much anything you just mentioned. I noticed how you are trying to just make it seem like the PS3 is so much better than the 360 when you haven't even begun to talk about problems the PS3 has but I guess that's what we call fanboyism.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
question, when will modded/hacked games come to the ps3? WHEN WHEN WHEN?!!!!!!!!!!!!! theyve been out for the 360 and wii for ages. hurry up you glorious hackers!
As I'm sure the mods will tell you, hacks, mods or rips can be consider illegal and we don't talk about it here.
... however, It might take a long time before something like that may surface... if you take into account how much a blank BR disc costs... and how much much a BR DL burner costs, it doesn't make much sense to make a dump/backup when you can buy the original copy for about the same price... if not the exact same price 😬
Originally posted by chithappens
If Sony was losing money when selling the PS3 @ $600, imagine what they are losing now (yes, I am taking into account how the new models are built since they took out some stuff since the launch systems).The Q2 earnings report for Sony will be quite funny.
keep in mind that SONY it's a large company that pretty much makes everything nowadays
... about PS3, it cost-ed (according to SONY) about 850 to make and they sold it for 600... but those cost have reduced over the year (BR diodes and other materials) and they removed some components to make it cheaper, so it's not the same loss as it was before (that's IF there's any loss with the current price tag) and their sales have increased so...
... and that's not the only thing they sell (SONY gaming division I mean) there's still the PS2 and the PSP (which outsells the 360 and sometimes the Wii and DS)... remember how Nintendo was able to survive after they killed the N64 just with the Gameboy?... It can apply here too 😉
about FFXIII: once the game comes out, it will be clear whether the use of BR and a DL disc makes a difference
I'm thinking it will when it comes to loading times and any other extra hassle
.... about how it works as game (technically), that remains to be seen...
No other title as tested the difference between data storage and performance as FFXIII could be able to
the thing is: it seem it will take a long time since the game won't be released in 360 in Japan, and we have to wait till the 360 port is done to enjoy the game in America, which gives them a lot of time to iron things out
Originally posted by ESB -1138
I've played Mass Effect and I have yet seen a texture just pop in or pretty much anything you just mentioned. I noticed how you are trying to just make it seem like the PS3 is so much better than the 360 when you haven't even begun to talk about problems the PS3 has but I guess that's what we call fanboyism.
Really?
It happened to me all the time, and the slowdown was awful for Mass Effect.
Maybe they've fixed it but I do remember it being awful for slowdown.
Keep in mind though, that's not the console's fault but a developers.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
I've played Mass Effect and I have yet seen a texture just pop in or pretty much anything you just mentioned. I noticed how you are trying to just make it seem like the PS3 is so much better than the 360 when you haven't even begun to talk about problems the PS3 has but I guess that's what we call fanboyism.
this discussion borderlines on fanboyism though, if i wanted to be a PS3 fanboy i would disregard all facts, and bash troll-style with no respect for others in this discussion. However i respect Mass Effect and like it alot, and i realize everyone has their preferences and opinions.
but first off what are the problems with PS3, there are no clear hardware issues, its simply price at this moment, and if thats the issue, those people who have money, that is a non issue, and if your talking cell architecture and software, thats also an outdated issue, since more and more developers have gotten or are getting around that too, with multi platform games being identical in quality and performance. And if you're talking about exclusives, there are enough out and plenty coming along the way, it just depends what you're into from a neutral standpoint, for example whether LBP appeals to you, or viva pinata trouble in paradise. Can you please talk about the problems with the PS3, and dont bring up the marketing problem upon PS3's initial release cuz thats an oudated issue as well, since PS3 has been outselling 360 in recent monthes, according to the NDP charts.
Back to Mass Effect, The simple fact is, if you actually play the game, and take what reviewers say, its the same, they're is texture pop in everywhere, and framerate instability, and other technical issues. It is a fact that the developer has put in 5 extra monthes to polish the title, if they did infact get that polishing done, it can't be their fault, it must be the 360's inability to process and keep up with all those textures, and on screen action(when there is action). My argument is that it this title can't run at a steady pace on the system its clearly developed and optimized for.
However if they did release a patch and solved all framerate, slowdown and texture pop in issues, indicting that it was in fact the developers fault, then it isnt the 360's fault. At the moment i am unsure of who's fault it is right, if it is the 360's fault for not being able to keep up then thats bad for 360, just sayin.
as far as im aware, there are no hardware problems with the ps2 as opposed to the 360. console cost ISNT the problem, considering that you get an 80 GB hardrive, wi fi, internet surfing, a FREE online play membership, the BEST blue ray player on the market{with other exclusive blue ray players consting more than the entire ps3, and still giving not as good a performance}, backwards compatibility, and also{lets not forget} the most advanced consol on the planet, whose formate{blue ray} has not only won the the blue ray vs HD DVD war, but also, has the greatest potential for graphics and processing of any console available. add to that the fact that among the larger collection of games in the 360, you only have a few that cud be cosidered awesome{halo 3, gears of war etc} and even less which are exclusive. to top it off, ps3 now has MGS3 {which blows away other exclusive games on the 360 btw} and it will soon have final fantasy 13 and 13 versus, resistance 2, kingdom hearts 2, etc etc{on top of already havig greats like heavenly sword} and the rather HUGE upcoming influx of games this year and the next{go to wikipedia and search for upcoming games} like alone in the dark, the next silent hill and hudreds of others. i really see no reason to buy a 360 anymore other than having hacked software.
oh btw, sony cut prices of the 80 GB version by about 100 dollars and and also cut the proce of the 40 GB version by about 100 dollars. so the way i see it, its ps3 vs WII, because of Wii 's uniqueness in play and exclusive nintendo games. {oh hey forgot to mention DMC3 even though its not an exclusive}
oh yea, one more thing, ps3 has the most games which actually pich out a 1080p and 720p high resolution signal as opposed to most 360 games which mostly just give out 480i and have to be upscaled by the hdmi cable.{no 360 games that im aware of dishes out 1080p. for all the high definition fans out there{and it really DOES make a huge difference}.