Last-Gen Console Discussions (PS3, Xbox 360, Wii)

Let me just say this: I have lived in a college dorm for three years. I have only seen two PS3s TOTAL in anyone's dorm room the entire time.

That speaks wonders right there.

The funniest thing was I had a friend who was waiting on FF XIII for the PS3. When it was announced for 360, he calls me in the middle of the damn morning and I told him to stop with the bad jokes. That seriously was a crushing blow. If Sony had the upper hand undeniably anywhere it was in the RPG genre, but that's gone now.

Originally posted by chithappens
Let me just say this: I have lived in a college dorm for three years. I have only seen two PS3s TOTAL in anyone's dorm room the entire time.

That speaks wonders right there.

The funniest thing was I had a friend who was waiting on FF XIII for the PS3. When it was announced for 360, he calls me in the middle of the damn morning and I told him to stop with the bad jokes. That seriously was a crushing blow. If Sony had the upper hand undeniably anywhere it was in the RPG genre, but that's gone now.

same number i saw, not lying. 🙄

I wouldnt recommend bringing in a machine that you bought for 400-600 bucks to a dorm unless its a PC, because if you host or go to parties, they would get totalled 😉

a lot of people own 360s its no doubt, but the ones at my residence/dorm also were those hardcore WoW addicts that use the word "epic fail" and know the combo system in SSBB

ok ENOUGH with the price thing, sony has planned a decrease in prices of consoles by about 100 dollars, it everywhere on sony's website. and a 40GB version with no backwards compatibility is very soon{if not already} gonna be costing around 300 dollars. AGAIN, if you take into account built in wiFi, hard disk, free online membership, online surfing, built in blue ray player etc etc, the ps3 is CHEAPER than the 360 because it doesnt come with a lot of these things by default and if you take the time and money to install each componet to make it compareable to the ps3{without the blue ray} its price is HIGHER than the ps3. as for titles opushing the envelope, final fantasy 13 and 13 versus is going to be out soon, thatll make u guys happy. and killzone2.

again, HOW many NOTABLE platform exclusives does the 360 have?! come on, gimma names{of really awesome games} people will probably only say halo and gears of war. well gues what, halo is an overhyped piece of crap, and gears of war is a mindless shooter which is already bested by call of duty 4 and will be in the future by resistance two. neither matters though.

the only consoles worth really invstin in are Wii and the PS3.

Dead or Alive 4 and Ninja Gaiden 2.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
as for titles opushing the envelope, final fantasy 13 and 13 versus is going to be out soon, thatll make u guys happy. and killzone2.

again, HOW many NOTABLE platform exclusives does the 360 have?! come on, gimma names{of really awesome games} people will probably only say halo and gears of war. well gues what, halo is an overhyped piece of crap, and gears of war is a mindless shooter which is already bested by call of duty 4 and will be in the future by resistance two. neither matters though.

How many original titles has the PS3 got that arent sequels? MGS 4, Gran Turismo 5, Tekken 6, DMC 4....yawn, get some new shit already.

360 has Mass Effect, Lost Odyssey, Too Human, Infinite Undiscovery, Banjo Kazooie, etc.

Not to mention they also stole a bunch of 'Sony exclusives' like DMC 4, GTA 4, FFXIII etc.

As for Gears of War, that game did more to promote the 360 than MGS4 did for the PS3.

^gears of war does not hold a candle to metal gear solid 4. and i can give u a lot of EXCLUSIVES, but were talking about exclusives that are actually awesome.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^gears of war does not hold a candle to metal gear solid 4. and i can give u a lot of EXCLUSIVES, but were talking about exclusives that are actually awesome.

But....you didnt.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
as for titles opushing the envelope, final fantasy 13 and 13 versus is going to be out soon, thatll make u guys happy. and killzone2.

Yeah! Let's buy a console to play FFXIII which can be played on the one most people already own! And Killzone 1 and PSP were so great that 2 is a shoe-in as one of the greatest games ever! (sarcasm for those not following this)

Originally posted by leonheartmm
again, HOW many NOTABLE platform exclusives does the 360 have?! come on, gimma names{of really awesome games} people will probably only say halo and gears of war. well gues what, halo is an overhyped piece of crap, and gears of war is a mindless shooter which is already bested by call of duty 4 and will be in the future by resistance two. neither matters though.

Games out now: Mass Effect, Blue Dragon, Ninja Gaiden 2, Gears of War, Halo 3, BioShock, Ninety-Nine Nights,

Coming out soon: Gears of War 2, Fable 2, BioShock 2, Halo Wars

And Call of Duty 4 doesn't help your case as it is also on the 360 and Resistance 2...ha! That's funny. Resistance 1 is your average shooter in which Halo 3 surpasses in every aspect. And comparing Gears 2 to Resistance 2 I actually have to say Gears 2 is the better looking of the two. And trust me I've compared Resistance 1 and 2 to see the actual work being done and so far I'm not impressed.

Originally posted by Outbound
How many original titles has the PS3 got that arent sequels? MGS 4, Gran Turismo 5, Tekken 6, DMC 4....yawn, get some new shit already.

360 has Mass Effect, Lost Odyssey, Too Human, Infinite Undiscovery, Banjo Kazooie, etc.

Not to mention they also stole a bunch of 'Sony exclusives' like DMC 4, GTA 4, FFXIII etc.

As for Gears of War, that game did more to promote the 360 than MGS4 did for the PS3.

first of all. think Nintendo, and their big three Mario, Zelda and Metroid have been around forever, go tell them to be original and create new some new sh*t

Secondly,you dont know how good or bad Too Human, Infinite Indiscovery and Banjo Kazooie is. and Lost Odyssey has generally had mixed reviews and does not do as well in the US as it does in Japan. and Mass Effect is also on PC, not a true exclusive

GT5 can arguable be one of the best racing sims out there. And for original titles on the PS3, there's Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Heavenly Sword, WarHawk, Resistance, are new titles, and i believe the game thats coming out thats got a lot of good press, E3 awards, and noted for its originality is LittleBigPlanet, those Sony names like MGS4, Killzone 2, Ratchet and Clank, Socom, GT, God of War, etc, they are also familiar titles and household names that are almost guaranteed to do well...lost odyssey?? doesnt compare

and DID gears promote 360 more than MGS4 did for PS3? cuz the whole time Gears 1 was out since whenever, it sold bout 4.7 mill copies as of may this year, MGS4, sold 4 mill so far since it was out in previous monthes. Gears had a couple years on that. MGS4 basically outsold gears. Gears took 3 yrs to sell 4.7mill and MGS4 took 3 monthes to sell 4 mill, its a big game with a solid fanbase, no new IP can compete with that. i believed gears didnt do so hot outside the US. Its simple dollars and dimes to dish out tried tested and true game sequels.

and leonheartmm is right, how many notable exclusives, or killer apps does 360 have? Halo is the only one. Halo is infact overhyped, and gears can only do so much, and COD4 has outdone them. and half the stuff you can get on PC, is that a true exclusive? Viva Pinata, Perfect Dark Zero, Crackdown, Kameo? games like these wont be sellin consoles like hotcakes...and they havent.

btw Bioshock is multiplatform as of a few monthes, and wtf is ninety nine nights...

Congratulations, xNIXSONx. You are officially the first Sony fanboy I have deemed so hopeless that I've actually given up. You refuse to see reason or even truly acknowledge any of our valid points, so no. I'm not even going to try correcting you further.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
Congratulations, xNIXSONx. You are officially the first Sony fanboy I have deemed so hopeless that I've actually given up. You refuse to see reason or even truly acknowledge any of our valid points, so no. I'm not even going to try correcting you further.

im a 360 fanboy turned PS3, an athiest into a believer

back then when Microsoft blew its load in the "best holiday lineup in gaming entertainment history" touted by former microsoft Peter Moore. I believed what you believed, but then it just came to me, and the overall grande scheme, the big picture is undeniable. PS3 is there.

The only valid points you have is that the cell arc is complex, which doesnt affect me as a gamer. I brought up good points too that you appear to refuse to believe, like the EA's prime source of income coming from the PS3, straight from the NPD charts

Originally posted by xNIXSONx
first of all. think Nintendo, and their big three Mario, Zelda and Metroid have been around forever, go tell them to be original and create new some new sh*t

Secondly,you dont know how good or bad Too Human, Infinite Indiscovery and Banjo Kazooie is. and Lost Odyssey has generally had mixed reviews and does not do as well in the US as it does in Japan. and Mass Effect is also on PC, not a true exclusive

GT5 can arguable be one of the best racing sims out there. And for original titles on the PS3, there's Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Heavenly Sword, WarHawk, Resistance, are new titles, and i believe the game thats coming out thats got a lot of good press, E3 awards, and noted for its originality is LittleBigPlanet, those Sony names like MGS4, Killzone 2, Ratchet and Clank, Socom, GT, God of War, etc, they are also familiar titles and household names that are almost guaranteed to do well...lost odyssey?? doesnt compare

and DID gears promote 360 more than MGS4 did for PS3? cuz the whole time Gears 1 was out since whenever, it sold bout 4.7 mill copies as of may this year, MGS4, sold 4 mill so far since it was out in previous monthes. Gears had a couple years on that. MGS4 basically outsold gears. Gears took 3 yrs to sell 4.7mill and MGS4 took 3 monthes to sell 4 mill, its a big game with a solid fanbase, no new IP can compete with that. i believed gears didnt do so hot outside the US. Its simple dollars and dimes to dish out tried tested and true game sequels.

and leonheartmm is right, how many notable exclusives, or killer apps does 360 have? Halo is the only one. Halo is infact overhyped, and gears can only do so much, and COD4 has outdone them. and half the stuff you can get on PC, is that a true exclusive? Viva Pinata, Perfect Dark Zero, Crackdown, Kameo? games like these wont be sellin consoles like hotcakes...and they havent.

btw Bioshock is multiplatform as of a few monthes, and wtf is ninety nine nights...

Considering Mario, every time a game comes out, it is completely different from previous games and pushes into new ideas. Super Mario Galaxy is a completely different game from Super Mario Sunshine. They do create new shit everytime they release a new game so I wouldnt question them.
How is Gran Turismo 5 or Tekken 6 pushing new ground? More cars and tracks, more characters, same game. How is GT6 or Tekken 7 going to be any different?

Neither do you, and I just tried to avoid games that were sequels or ports. Those games have hype for good reason. Theres no point even making a debate about games with you since you'll shrug off any 360 games mentioned and just rant about whatever PS3 games are actually exclusive instead of which ones are actually good.

You just said, MGS has a huge fanbase. So #4's success is riding on those established players already. Gears of War was a new IP and sold well, and at the time was the best looking game on the 360, it got people talking about what the console was capable of. Nobody is buying MGS4 to see what the PS3 can do, they're doing it for the game. They're doing it to see what happens next in the story etc. Did MGS4 have the hype and media attention that Halo 2 and 3 had? I didnt even notice MGS4 was out until weeks later.

No good arguing to me about Halo 3, I've never played it and have no interest in it.
Those games were never announced for PC release until much later once the game was a success, unlike PS3 games which have been ported right from release. Why are so many developers porting PS3 games? Is it because they want more people to experience the game, or because the 360 outsells the PS3 and they can make more money? Why was PS2 a success while PS3 is a flop in comparison?

Those PS3 games you mentioned, are they worth forking out the money to buy the console? If blu ray players suddenly dropped in price overnight, how much do you think it would affect PS3 sales?

Last question for you: What is your opinion of the 360 console itself? Pros, cons, whatever. Just want to understand your viewpoint a bit more.

Did MGS4 have the hype and media attention that Halo 2 and 3 had?

It most certainly did not.

Also, the cell arc being overly complex DOES effect someone as a gamer. It means that they are not getting games that are as good as they could be.

Originally posted by Peach
It most certainly did not.

I didnt think so, I remember Halo 2 and 3 being all over Yahoo, in the newspaper, on the news. Massive launch parties and all that. Didnt hear anything from MGS4.

Originally posted by Outbound
Considering Mario, every time a game comes out, it is completely different from previous games and pushes into new ideas. Super Mario Galaxy is a completely different game from Super Mario Sunshine. They do create new shit everytime they release a new game so I wouldnt question them.
How is Gran Turismo 5 or Tekken 6 pushing new ground? More cars and tracks, more characters, same game. How is GT6 or Tekken 7 going to be any different?

Neither do you, and I just tried to avoid games that were sequels or ports. Those games have hype for good reason. Theres no point even making a debate about games with you since you'll shrug off any 360 games mentioned and just rant about whatever PS3 games are actually exclusive instead of which ones are actually good.

You just said, MGS has a huge fanbase. So #4's success is riding on those established players already. Gears of War was a new IP and sold well, and at the time was the best looking game on the 360, it got people talking about what the console was capable of. Nobody is buying MGS4 to see what the PS3 can do, they're doing it for the game. They're doing it to see what happens next in the story etc. Did MGS4 have the hype and media attention that Halo 2 and 3 had? I didnt even notice MGS4 was out until weeks later.

No good arguing to me about Halo 3, I've never played it and have no interest in it.
Those games were never announced for PC release until much later once the game was a success, unlike PS3 games which have been ported right from release. Why are so many developers porting PS3 games? Is it because they want more people to experience the game, or because the 360 outsells the PS3 and they can make more money? Why was PS2 a success while PS3 is a flop in comparison?

Those PS3 games you mentioned, are they worth forking out the money to buy the console? If blu ray players suddenly dropped in price overnight, how much do you think it would affect PS3 sales?

Last question for you: What is your opinion of the 360 console itself? Pros, cons, whatever. Just want to understand your viewpoint a bit more.

but you didnt mention all those Mario subtitles, like Mario Tennis, Basketball, Mario Kart, nearly everything else that has the mario title

I didnt say GT5 or Tekken 6 is pushing new ground, i said GT5 is arguable one of the best racing sim(s) out there today, with a demo that can surpass a lot of full fledged racers out there.

Gears was a solid game, it might showcase what the 360 is capable of, solid online, good graphics...thats probably it, and a fresh take on the cover system. MGS4 was known the previous fans, but it didnt have a multimillion dollar campaign backin it like Halo, but it still did very well in the short time it was out. 360 has more only because its been out there longer, its still usually in last place in NPD charts that indicate sales, i couldnt tell you why PS2 was such a runaway success while PS3 is not that. Basically yo had three machines, PS2, Gamecube and Xbox which did the exact same thing...

i would assume if blu ray players dropped in price, we'd have more blu ray owners, and more people would be enjoying a true HD experience. I couldnt tell you how itll affect PS3 sales figures

my view point of the 360, hmm, its alright, has some top notch games, i just dont believe itll be able to compete in the long run, and the high failure rate is an issue. It has more limitations than the PS3, for example its disc storage, and developers have to take into consideration that not all 360 owners have storage space, not every owner has a HDD for storage space, like the Arcade model, i also think 360 will run out of steam, it blew a good chunk of its load on last years holiday lineup, this year, its just Fable 2, Gears 2, and a couple more stuff. Thats my viewpoint

And as for 360 exclusives vs. PS3 exclusives...the 360 has the following.

Halo 3. Think what you will of it (I greatly dislike Halo), it's one of the best selling games of all time.

Mass Effect. Another I personally did not like, but is seen by many who have played it as one of the best games on the system.

Lost Odyssey. The BEST game on the system, as far as I am concerned. The only reason it got mixed reviews and less than stellar sales in the US was because it was a JRPG on the 360. Hence, something very different for that system.

Gears of War. The first killer app on the 360 and one of the best-selling games on the console and in general. A new IP selling as well as it did, with no fanbase to go off of, is phenomenal.

Bioshock. Yes, I will state right now that it is not the innovative game many state it is and having played System Shock 2, I was not surprised by anything in it. However, it is still a great game and easily one of the best on the system. It is now coming to the PS3...well over a year after it originally came out.

Too Human there is a demo out for. I have not played it yet (started downloading the other night and it was interfering with me trying to play online), but GK has played through it multiple times already and keeps pestering me to play it. It will probably be good. Banjo-Kazooie will likely be great as always. Infinite Undiscovery and Last Remnants - once again branching out into JRPGs and bringing something different to the console.

And for the PS3 we have:

- Resistance. A game I have never heard as anything more than just an average shooter; sold well because it was basically the only decent game at the launch of the PS3.

- Heavenly Sword. A six hour long God of War knock off.

- Lair. A game that was all but unplayable until it was patched so that you did not need to use sixaxis to play. Then it became a decent game.

- Warhawk. Has anyone heard anything decent about this game? I certainly haven't.

- Uncharted. A good game, for sure. Very good. But I have also heard that it is, again, far too short.

- Haze. The price on it dropped within a month. Enough said.

- MGS4. Personally, I find MGS massively overrated and boring and have since I played the first one. However, it does still have a massive fanbase. Which is where the sales come from.

And then games that were Sony exclusives that went multiplatform...

Devil May Cry 4. Grand Theft Auto 4 (the release of which was delayed because of the PS3). Assassin's Creed. Final Fantasy XIII, the one game that could have really pushed PS3 sales, more than anything else.

Oh, and...

straight from the NPD charts

No, you did not. You never posted any charts or any sources for a single one of your claims.

Originally posted by xNIXSONx
but you didnt mention all those Mario subtitles, like Mario Tennis, Basketball, Mario Kart, nearly everything else that has the mario title

I didnt say GT5 or Tekken 6 is pushing new ground, i said GT5 is arguable one of the best racing sim(s) out there today, with a demo that can surpass a lot of full fledged racers out there.

Gears was a solid game, it might showcase what the 360 is capable of, solid online, good graphics...thats probably it, and a fresh take on the cover system. MGS4 was known the previous fans, but it didnt have a multimillion dollar campaign backin it like Halo, but it still did very well in the short time it was out. 360 has more only because its been out there longer, its still usually in last place in NPD charts that indicate sales, i couldnt tell you why PS2 was such a runaway success while PS3 is not that. Basically yo had three machines, PS2, Gamecube and Xbox which did the exact same thing...

i would assume if blu ray players dropped in price, we'd have more blu ray owners, and more people would be enjoying a true HD experience. I couldnt tell you how itll affect PS3 sales figures

my view point of the 360, hmm, its alright, has some top notch games, i just dont believe itll be able to compete in the long run, and the high failure rate is an issue. It has more limitations than the PS3, for example its disc storage, and developers have to take into consideration that not all 360 owners have storage space, not every owner has a HDD for storage space, like the Arcade model, i also think 360 will run out of steam, it blew a good chunk of its load on last years holiday lineup, this year, its just Fable 2, Gears 2, and a couple more stuff. Thats my viewpoint

Disc storage is not really required for the 360 for anything but downloading extra content or putting music on your system. A 20GB harddrive is MORE than enough unless you're going to download everything you see and never delete anything.

Unlike the PS3, which forces you to install games and has save files that can easily be a full gigabyte. Yeah, you get more storage space, but you're going to need it and it's going to run out fast. A friend of mine, who got a 40GB PS3, ran out of space within a month and a half. And he never even plays the thing.

Very few people buy the Arcade model, btw.

And do you want to actually show any of these charts you speak of?

Oh, and either you count the PC as part of the console war, or you don't. Not only if it's convenient to your argument.

I don't really like the Wii, Super Monkey Ball was kinda fun, except for that I didn't play a game that actually entertained me very much. Certainly none more than for an hour or so.

X-Box is pretty sweet, imo. Lots of fun games I played on it, also some backward compatibility which is nice. Never played online, but it seems like a pretty good console.

The PS 3 also seems nice, the games look very nice and and I like the Blu Ray player and the possibility to basically use it as a computer. Also good.

Originally posted by xNIXSONx
but you didnt mention all those Mario subtitles, like Mario Tennis, Basketball, Mario Kart, nearly everything else that has the mario title

I didnt say GT5 or Tekken 6 is pushing new ground, i said GT5 is arguable one of the best racing sim(s) out there today, with a demo that can surpass a lot of full fledged racers out there.

Gears was a solid game, it might showcase what the 360 is capable of, solid online, good graphics...thats probably it, and a fresh take on the cover system. MGS4 was known the previous fans, but it didnt have a multimillion dollar campaign backin it like Halo, but it still did very well in the short time it was out. 360 has more only because its been out there longer, its still usually in last place in NPD charts that indicate sales, i couldnt tell you why PS2 was such a runaway success while PS3 is not that. Basically yo had three machines, PS2, Gamecube and Xbox which did the exact same thing...

i would assume if blu ray players dropped in price, we'd have more blu ray owners, and more people would be enjoying a true HD 'experience. I couldnt tell you how itll affect PS3 sales figures

my view point of the 360, hmm, its alright, has some top notch games, i just dont believe itll be able to compete in the long run, and the high failure rate is an issue. It has more limitations than the PS3, for example its disc storage, and developers have to take into consideration that not all 360 owners have storage space, not every owner has a HDD for storage space, like the Arcade model, i also think 360 will run out of steam, it blew a good chunk of its load on last years holiday lineup, this year, its just Fable 2, Gears 2, and a couple more stuff. Thats my viewpoint

Mario Party/Tennis/Basketball etc arent sequels to Mario, which is why I didnt mention them. As for Mario Party sequels though, they are like Guitar Hero, not meant to come up with new ideas, they just add to the previous collection. Im gonna compare Tekken 6 with Mario Party 6, Tekken is Tekken, a fighting game. Its one of Sony's biggest franchises. But the games do nothing to improve upon themselves. Look at what Fight Night did for boxing. Mario Party is a sequel where you do the same things yes, but the individual games are different, they dont reskin them and say 'look, new stuff!'.

"Best racing sim" is what was said for GT4, and will be said for GT6 so it doesnt matter. It hasnt done anything except some nicer graphics, new models, and a '5' after the name.

PS2 had better game developers, Gamecube was a flop, Xbox was new and developers were wary of what to do with it. 360 is starting to pick up on the developers (especially the Japanese ones) that PS2 had exclusively. Xbox was stronger and technically better than PS2, yet PS2 outsold it clearly. Same thing is happening now, except they've swapped places.

One of PS3's biggest selling points is an inbuilt blu ray player, lots of people bought it because it was cheaper than a standalone player. Sales would drop significantly, since 360 is taking a lot of the 'killer apps' from PS3 and blu ray players would be cheap to buy.

Whats the long run mean to you? Are you comparing it to PS3's lifespan of 10 years? It wont be around that far, they'll release a newer console by then. Failure as in Rings of Death? Newer versions dont have that problem now, and the warranty is extended in case it does. Theres also coolers you can buy. Disc storage isnt an issue, they just slap a few more discs in, Lost Odyssey takes up 4 discs.
But is that just counting exclusives? Theres lots of ports coming out that 360 owners can get, Fallout 3, Force Unleashed etc.

I dont really have anything left to argue/question..

Originally posted by Peach

Too Human there is a demo out for.

Must....resist...shocking

Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't really like the Wii, Super Monkey Ball was kinda fun, except for that I didn't play a game that actually entertained me very much. Certainly none more than for an hour or so.

X-Box is pretty sweet, imo. Lots of fun games I played on it, also some backward compatibility which is nice. Never played online, but it seems like a pretty good console.

The PS 3 also seems nice, the games look very nice and and I like the Blu Ray player and the possibility to basically use it as a computer. Also good.

What made you pick PS3?