Originally posted by Raijin
I was referring to the main issue with Uncharted, that it didn't have online.The only way I see MGS4 being better than Halo 3 is of course, the singleplayer, the online in Halo 3 however just outright owns MGO. It's balanced, userfriendly, has more users (even today), more people with headsets and is more fun (IMO). MGO however is the exact opposite of all that.
the exact oposite will be that MGSO isn't fun at all, which I strongly disagree
Finding Halo and/or MGO "fun" or "not fun" is an opinion. It is not a fact, because you have to take into consideration that all gamers are different, some prefer unreallistic vibrant (first person) shooters, while others may prefer their shooters grounded in reality. Which one you find more fun or less fun is an opinion of your own and therefore not a fact, which means nothing.
i dont think you can even compare Halo to MGS4 or MGO, they're too different, the only thing that you may compare with MGO may be Socom: Confrontation, when it comes out
The only thing in my post that was opinionated was that I don't find it as fun as online in other games and I clearly specified why, with facts at that. 1up's review pretty much sums it up, 10% of the time you're having a good time 90 % of the time you're getting spawnraped by fraghorny high lvls, would you actually say that MGO is well executed?
1up is one of the few who have actually mentioned MGO in their review. Meaning the overall design is flawed, a basic flaw. Having a moving spawn would solve this, seen in Halo 3, CoD4 and a many others. Most reviews I've read/watched/heard don't even mention MGO, maybe because it's not worth mentioning due to its flaws and when compared to other online shooters it's greatly overshadowed by their quality and popularity.
But if you really like MGO, then yeah, that's your opinion.
And FYI, the "(IMO)" in my previous post was for the fun part, the rest are pretty solid facts.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Nope- losses from the console production costs still pretty much outweigh those profits.
But its still making a profit though. Doesnt really matter if the console itself is not. I was under the impression that most consoles itself dont make any profit, or little there is while the games license fees are where the most money comes from.
PS3 itself is not making profit, but the overall division is. Who cares if its not the console itself.
Originally posted by Smasandian
But its still making a profit though. Doesnt really matter if the console itself is not. I was under the impression that most consoles itself dont make any profit, or little there is while the games license fees are where the most money comes from.PS3 itself is not making profit, but the overall division is. Who cares if its not the console itself.
That is where profits generally initially come from, but at some point the console itself is going to start generating a profit. The Wii has been making a profit from the start, and the 360 is now profitable as well.
Originally posted by Raijin
The only thing in my post that was opinionated was that I don't find it as fun as online in other games and I clearly specified why, with facts at that. 1up's review pretty much sums it up, 10% of the time you're having a good time 90 % of the time you're getting spawnraped by fraghorny high lvls, would you actually say that MGO is well executed?
1up is one of the few who have actually mentioned MGO in their review. Meaning the overall design is flawed, a basic flaw. Having a moving spawn would solve this, seen in Halo 3, CoD4 and a many others. Most reviews I've read/watched/heard don't even mention MGO, maybe because it's not worth mentioning due to its flaws and when compared to other online shooters it's greatly overshadowed by their quality and popularity.But if you really like MGO, then yeah, that's your opinion.
And FYI, the "(IMO)" in my previous post was for the fun part, the rest are pretty solid facts.
i thought your "IMO" part was just part of the "people with headsets is more fun".
however can your source a reliable link where the reviewer claims MGO is flawed and backs it up with facts. Did 1up claim the game's basic flaw is the stationary spawning points (which who spawn there probably get their asses camped but they wouldnt have a choice...) or is this your claim, cuz my personal experience, i have never been camped on at my spawn, i have camped at the enemies spawn however heh.
and for your information, i enjoy MGO as much as i do COD4
I'm never on 1up so I have no idea how to navigate the site, but you're free to give it a try.
But so what if 1up did or did not claim it ALL thanks to the stationary spawn locations, spawncamping is still an issue, I'm not expecting the game to be perfect, but some alternate spawns would be nice, like if someone is in your spawn, your spawn automaticaly moves to an other side of the map, it helps, you don't lose for something stupid as bad overall MP design. In the first MGO this wasn't much of an issue as there were more spawnpoints and they were more spread out, why they didn't keep that in the current beats me.
If you have camped at an enemy spawn then you should know how easy it is, but of course, if you haven't been camped on yourself then you don't know how extremely annoying and cheap (to say the least) it is.
Originally posted by Raijin
I'm never on 1up so I have no idea how to navigate the site, but you're free to give it a try.But so what if 1up did or did not claim it ALL thanks to the stationary spawn locations, spawncamping is still an issue, I'm not expecting the game to be perfect, but some alternate spawns would be nice, like if someone is in your spawn, your spawn automaticaly moves to an other side of the map, it helps, you don't lose for something stupid as bad overall MP design. In the first MGO this wasn't much of an issue as there were more spawnpoints and they were more spread out, why they didn't keep that in the current beats me.
If you have camped at an enemy spawn then you should know how easy it is, but of course, if you haven't been camped on yourself then you don't know how extremely annoying and cheap (to say the least) it is.
yes it is easy camping on people, an easy way to rack up kills, however when people spawn, they are like transparent, for about 5 seconds, that might hep a bit...maybe the issue will be addressed in a patch, or may have been addressed in a patch already (havent been playing MGO in a while).
but i can imagine it would be annoying to spawn and be killed.
Yeah, but on most maps there was always an alternate route of getting out of your base.
Originally posted by xNIXSONx
yes it is easy camping on people, an easy way to rack up kills, however when people spawn, they are like transparent, for about 5 seconds, that might hep a bit...maybe the issue will be addressed in a patch, or may have been addressed in a patch already (havent been playing MGO in a while).but i can imagine it would be annoying to spawn and be killed.
I've been playing MGO for these couple of days and I haven't noticed anything different about it.
Originally posted by Peach
That is where profits generally initially come from, but at some point the console itself is going to start generating a profit. The Wii has been making a profit from the start, and the 360 is now profitable as well.
Nintendo has been gaining a profit with each Wii sold where as the 360 and PS3 have cost Microsoft and Sony money in hopes to make a profit with games.
Oh an by the way...I LOVE YOUR SIG!!!!!! FFIV is my favorite game of all time!! But enough of that off topic.
And I don't think the games have made up the $3 billion lost due to the PS3.
Originally posted by Smasandian
But its still making a profit though. Doesnt really matter if the console itself is not. I was under the impression that most consoles itself dont make any profit, or little there is while the games license fees are where the most money comes from.PS3 itself is not making profit, but the overall division is. Who cares if its not the console itself.
My use of the word 'outweigh' was rather particular.
So no, the PS3 has not made a profit for them yet. There is no 'overall division' in the sense you imply. The losses on PS3 manufacture were huge and still are large and games profits will take some while to meet that.
To clarify- because I am surprised you did not understand me- the losses on PS3 selling have been greater- FAR greater- than the profits from games. Sony does not expect the PS3 to turn a profit until next year.
So... no, it's not making a profit yet.
Originally posted by Raijin
Yeah, but on most maps there was always an alternate route of getting out of your base.Correct, you are transparent for like 3 seconds which isn't enough when you're a bit dissoriented. And the spawncamper is usually in a position where you can't see him, you go look for him, you're no longer transparent, bam, you get in the back of the head. They really should increase the time you're transparent, as it is now, it hardly helps you at all.
I've been playing MGO for these couple of days and I haven't noticed anything different about it.
the only two words that may resonate from your experience, might be "epic fail" 🙄
but on a serious note, spawn killing is cheap, and can overal not be fun to the victim. However not all gamers have the desire to spawn kill, there are great gamers, in every game infact that have the skill to play properly. If there are spawn killers, leave the game. Same thing if you come across team killers, just leave the game. Problem solved.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
Nintendo has been gaining a profit with each Wii sold where as the 360 and PS3 have cost Microsoft and Sony money in hopes to make a profit with games.Oh an by the way...I LOVE YOUR SIG!!!!!! FFIV is my favorite game of all time!! But enough of that off topic.
And I don't think the games have made up the $3 billion lost due to the PS3.
I think the 360 started actually making a profit on system sales recently. I don't remember how long ago, but the 360 consoles are selling at a profit now. But yes, the Wii has since day one and the PS3 is still not making a profit and I don't see them doing so anytime soon.
And thank you 😄
Originally posted by Ushgarak
My use of the word 'outweigh' was rather particular.So no, the PS3 has not made a profit for them yet. There is no 'overall division' in the sense you imply. The losses on PS3 manufacture were huge and still are large and games profits will take some while to meet that.
To clarify- because I am surprised you did not understand me- the losses on PS3 selling have been greater- FAR greater- than the profits from games. Sony does not expect the PS3 to turn a profit until next year.
So... no, it's not making a profit yet.
So the article is wrong then?
Originally posted by xNIXSONxActually, I've found a way to solve this, I can just host small games with my friends, though I agree, not all gamers rely on this design flaw, it might just me being unlucky or there are very few in this game. Something I do love about MGO is that you have the ability to block people. I have problem with teamkilling, since on my games have friendly fire disabled but it's too bad this is the only way for me to enjoy this game.
the only two words that may resonate from your experience, might be "epic fail" 🙄but on a serious note, spawn killing is cheap, and can overal not be fun to the victim. However not all gamers have the desire to spawn kill, there are great gamers, in every game infact that have the skill to play properly. If there are spawn killers, leave the game. Same thing if you come across team killers, just leave the game. Problem solved.
But how about we get back on topic?