Originally posted by ESB -1138
Square Enix has been seen supporting the 360 out of all the consoles with the many games placed on it. Perhaps FFXIII may go out to the 360 in Japan if sales for the system increase but if it doesn't...it doesn't bother me because I'm over here in the US which means 'ello FFXIII 360 version 💃
The problem is that the 360 conversion won't even begin until the PS3 version is finished (and therefore released in Japan).
Originally posted by General Kaliero
We have already countered every one of these claims against the 360, which you were unable to effectively argue against, and yet you continue to bring them up. You remain incorrect on every point of your list.As for console sales, three years on the console units are no longer a true indicator of the market leader. Most people who want a particular console will have it as this point, therefore we must look at game sales. And in game sales, 360 games continues to outsell their PS3 counterparts, whether multiplatform releases or competitors in similar genres.
Originally posted by EvilTyrant
Most of the stuff he mentioned is true, except that limited graphic stuff. Everything else is common complaints you hear around the web. I would say the only limiting the graphics is the space, just look at Gears of War, it has sh!t your draws graphics, but ppl say its to short.
Originally posted by General Kaliero
We've been through this already. His list of grievances against the 360 are all outdated or irrelevant "issues" that have either been attended to, or aren't actually problems as the grand majority sees it.
They are problems for Playstation fans who hate having their console behind. 😛
Originally posted by EvilTyrant
Most of the stuff he mentioned is true, except that limited graphic stuff. Everything else is common complaints you hear around the web. I would say the only limiting the graphics is the space, just look at Gears of War, it has sh!t your draws graphics, but ppl say its to short.
Gears of War 2 looks better than Gears 1 and the developers say it's much longer.
Originally posted by xNIXSONx
Limited graphics capabilities
Gears of War 2.
,
Originally posted by xNIXSONx
RROD,
Extended Warranty on all consoles, RRoD has been fixed on newer consoles, cooling fans available to buy, and the cheap towel trick.
Originally posted by xNIXSONx
59.99 vs free online
$59 (for a 12 month subscription) includes:
* 12-month Xbox Live® Gold membership
* $20 Xbox 360 Game Rebate Coupon*
* Xbox 360™ Headset
* Xbox Live Arcade game: Bankshot Billiards 2™
* 200 Microsoft® Points
You dont actually need a paid subscription to download themes, demos, chat etc.
What does Sony offer for free?
Originally posted by xNIXSONx
developers having trouble with limited storage space on discs
Moot. Lost Odyssey = 4 discs.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Well, do you have any reason at all to support the idea that the publically announced exclusivity for the title on the PS3 in Japan which has formed part of its advertising can possibly be changed?Or are you just vaguely hoping this will happen?
Not that I'm vaguely hoping it happens just observing to see what happens. Which if you recall in the earlier post I mention that the Wii and the Xbox 360 are now at almost the same price in Japan.
So basically, I'm waiting to see how the reaction will be now the console is cheaper in Japan. And as I mention the RPG factor is in favor of the 360 at this time. It appears the 360 have the bases loaded for now.
do remember sumthings. a great number of consoled of 360 are the ones with WHICH developers were having trouble with space/hardware/online etc. and lack of disk space. ofcourse, theoretically, u cud create an even BETTER console than ps3 and name it 360 but then, software and online capabilities arent shared with the old consoles. this is a problem, as a sizeable number of gamers who do have the old versions will either have to upgrade{and be angry for paying more} or not buy the game at all. this in the long term will affect both console and game sales. looking at the LACK of exclusives{see this is where WII wins, "QUALITY EXCLUSIVES/FRANCHISES}, WHY shud sum1 buy a new suped up 360 with 120 gb harddraive which costs even MORE than ps3{not forgetting no free online membership} when they can just buy the ps3 which is still the better hardrware and has most of the same games as 360? final fantasy 13 may be a blow, true, but still, if people have a choice, wudnt they rather buy a ps3 versus 360? also, 13 VERSUS is still exclusive to the ps3.
again, if ur gonna go for a console, either buy wii, or the ps3. 360 is trying to be a jack of all trades and failing miserably as being master of any of em. now if the newer versions of 360 and the ps3 were just being LAUNCHED, then maybe ude have sumthing to talk about, but currently, no. oh hey, do NOT forget the built in blue ray player and winning blue ray technology over hd dvds. 360 cud have RULED the market, if they played their cards right and got more exclusives quicker as well as fix their hardware problems/paying membership etc etc. but they blew it. ps3 is just the better choice right now, unless ur going for 2 dollars a piece, perfectly pirated games, in which 360 is currently king due to the blue ray technology{yes thats a BIG reason why "game" sales are higher for the 360. even copiers need original to copy from}
otherwise, it really is like paying the same prive for a dvd versus a vhs of an original/certified disney movie.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
None of that changes the fact that the deal is that a 360 conversion will be done after the PS3 version is finsiehd though, does it?So how the price cut affects sales (which won't be all that much; it is too late for the 360 out there), it cannot get a simultaneous FFXIII release.
Okay, I'll agree....now I ask you.
What if PS3 delays the game? (which they have been known to do in the past with other games)
Do you feel MS is going to just say "oh let them take their time finishing the game for the PS3 and meanwhile I'll sit here and wait"
I will speculate that MS will pressure Square Enix into bend the rules so that the 360 gets their version release ASAP.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
do remember sumthings. a great number of consoled of 360 are the ones with WHICH developers were having trouble with space/hardware/online etc. and lack of disk space.
ofcourse, theoretically, u cud create an even BETTER console than ps3 and name it 360 but then, software and online capabilities arent shared with the old consoles.
this is a problem, as a sizeable number of gamers who do have the old versions will either have to upgrade{and be angry for paying more} or not buy the game at all.
this in the long term will affect both console and game sales. looking at the LACK of exclusives{see this is where WII wins, "QUALITY EXCLUSIVES/FRANCHISES},
WHY shud sum1 buy a new suped up 360 with 120 gb harddraive which costs even MORE than ps3{not forgetting no free online membership}
when they can just buy the ps3 which is still the better hardrware and has most of the same games as 360?
final fantasy 13 may be a blow, true, but still, if people have a choice, wudnt they rather buy a ps3 versus 360?
also, 13 VERSUS is still exclusive to the ps3.
again, if ur gonna go for a console, either buy wii, or the ps3. 360 is trying to be a jack of all trades and failing miserably as being master of any of em.
now if the newer versions of 360 and the ps3 were just being LAUNCHED, then maybe ude have sumthing to talk about, but currently, no.
oh hey, do NOT forget the built in blue ray player and winning blue ray technology over hd dvds.
360 cud have RULED the market, if they played their cards right and got more exclusives quicker as well as fix their hardware problems/paying membership etc etc. but they blew it.
ps3 is just the better choice right now, unless ur going for 2 dollars a piece, perfectly pirated games, in which 360 is currently king due to the blue ray technology{yes thats a BIG reason why "game" sales are higher for the 360. even copiers need original to copy from}
otherwise, it really is like paying the same prive for a dvd versus a vhs of an original/certified disney movie.
Originally posted by Outbound
Gears of War 2.,
Extended Warranty on all consoles, RRoD has been [b]fixed
on newer consoles, cooling fans available to buy, and the cheap towel trick.$59 (for a 12 month subscription) includes:
* 12-month Xbox Live® Gold membership
* $20 Xbox 360 Game Rebate Coupon*
* Xbox 360™ Headset
* Xbox Live Arcade game: Bankshot Billiards 2™
* 200 Microsoft® PointsYou dont actually need a paid subscription to download themes, demos, chat etc.
What does Sony offer for free?
Moot. Lost Odyssey = 4 discs. [/B]
-gears 2 looks like an upgraded gears 1
-so just cuz everyone who got a faulty 360, that means they hafto pay for a cooling fan? or resort to using a towel to keep their 360 from dying? wow.
-what does sony offer for free? online multiplayer, psn account, demos/trailers, themes/wallpapers, chat and home when its out. But who am i right? am i the only person that thinks getting something for free is better than paying 60 dollars for?
-4 discs? why not make it 6? no no, i wanna see a 360 game with 10 discs
and to @sstrofan:
Developers do have problems with 360 storage space, for one, their discs are like 4.7GB single, and dual layered is what. They have to give up 2GB upfront to MS, and having more than one disc may not be good for some developers, like the dudes that made Doom/Quake/Wolfenstein. Developers also have to take into consideration that NOT every 360 owner has a HDD, because, despite the only model not having a HDD, they CANNOT rule them out, they want everyone to have an equal experience, no matter what model you have. They cant stream anything from live either, cuz not everyone has a connection to their 360, and Kojima didnt say this, the only thing he said was stop asking for a 360 version of MGS4, cuz its "nearly impossible."
Games are only going to get bigger and bigger, and obviously MS 360's troubles show that they weren't thinking ahead, that their goals are short term. But please, don't believe me, just sit back and wait, who cares if games like FarCry 2, Rage are gonna look better on PS3, graphics arent everything
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Okay, I'll agree....now I ask you.What if PS3 delays the game? (which they have been known to do in the past with other games)
Do you feel MS is going to just say "oh let them take their time finishing the game for the PS3 and meanwhile I'll sit here and wait"
I will speculate that MS will pressure Square Enix into bend the rules so that the 360 gets their version release ASAP.
If the PS3 release is delayed, then yes, the 360 release will be delayed accordingly. Because the 360 version cannot[ proceed until the PS3 one is done. And despite you saying this has happened before, nothing remotely like this has ever happened in a similar situation with a release like this. Japan is going to get the release first. They will get it once it is finished. And AFTER it is finsihed- and hence released- they work on the 360 version. There is nothing that can change that logic, really.
That speculation is just away with the fairies.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
If the PS3 release is delayed, then yes, the 360 release will be delayed accordingly. Because the 360 version cannot[ proceed until the PS3 one is done. And despite you saying this has happened before, nothing remotely like this has ever happened in a similar situation with a release like this. Japan is going to get the release first. They will get it once it is finished. And AFTER it is finsihed- and hence released- they work on the 360 version. There is nothing that can change that logic, really.That speculation is just away with the fairies.
I personally think that the people at 360 camp would not be too thrill to see the game delay (which I believe it will happen given the PS3 record) and would willing put more money on the table to bribe the Square Enix people. Then again that's what's on top of my head.
As for the fairies remarks....those old jedi mind tricks will not work on me my good man.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I personally think that the people at 360 camp would not be too thrill to see the game delay (which I believe it will happen given the PS3 record) and would willing put more money on the table to bribe the Square Enix people. Then again that's what's on top of my head.As for the fairies remarks....those old jedi mind tricks will not work on me my good man.
Also highly unlikely Square Enix, a Japanese company, would break a contract with Sony, a Japanese company, because of a little cash offered from Microsoft, an American company.