Originally posted by Smasandian
Well, I don't have one of those players. I also know that Blu Ray player isnt the only player out there that upscales DVD's., just mentioned that I love the feature on the PS3.I could buy one that does upscale, but I also wanted to play games, and watch Blu Ray movies, which do look awesome on my TV and look better than scaled up DVD's. And free online is pretty sweet.
You could buy an upscaling DVD player and any other console for less money. For that matter you could buy a blu-ray player and another console for less money- so in the end, thisi is just about you wanting PS3 games.
That's fine, but the point is that the PS3 feature list is not its strong point- it's too expensive to justify them.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
You're a fool if you think prices won't drop... Remember when DVD first appeared? Players were stupidly expensive for a good while.
Yeah, blu-ray player prices have already dropped a lot. You can find them for significantly cheaper than a PS3 costs now.
Really, that was the main thing that sold consoles when it released - it was a cheap (relatively speaking) blu-ray player. That is no longer the case.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
You could buy an upscaling DVD player and any other console for less money. For that matter you could buy a blu-ray player and another console for less money- so in the end, thisi is just about you wanting PS3 games.That's fine, but the point is that the PS3 feature list is not its strong point- it's too expensive to justify them.
Well yes, thats one the main reasons why I got a PS3. To play games, but it doesnt mean that it was extra incentive to have the Blu Ray player and to upscale DVD's..
You can buy an XBOX 360 and a blu ray player for the same price as a PS3?
Wow, where the hell did you get that?
Originally posted by Morridini
Actualy, you can.
I just looked a bit on these "New Year Super Deal blah blah blah" pamplets we drown in now, and if I take the cheapest blue-ray player and a premium 360 you come just below the price of a PS3.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I prefer my PC for gaming to any console.
Originally posted by Smasandian
Well yes, thats one the main reasons why I got a PS3. To play games, but it doesnt mean that it was extra incentive to have the Blu Ray player and to upscale DVD's..You can buy an XBOX 360 and a blu ray player for the same price as a PS3?
Wow, where the hell did you get that?
Indeed you can. Blu-ray players have noticably fallen in price. Worth keeping up with the world- I didn't have to look at anything fancy, I could do it right now from Amazon.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Player prices HAVE dropped. Licensing fees on blu-ray discs have not and will not so the actual films remain more expensive.The only fools in this situation are the ones who think it is in any way comparable to when DVDs came out. Thar's dumb thinking.
I did not buy a PS3 for it's DVD upscaling or blu-ray playing capabilities anyway, I bought it because I'm a hardened gamer who wants the capability of playing any game on any available format and as I already own a 360 and Wii it seemed like the next step, and I had a few hundred pounds to burn and with the relativly recent price drop I figured what the hell. The PS3 may not be worth it's price tag for you, and you're within your rites to think that. I personally don't believe the Wii is worth it's price tag, it pumps out casual game after casual game with only a decent game maybe once or twice a year, it's just not what I want in a games console.
Originally posted by Morridini
Actualy, you can.
I just looked a bit on these "New Year Super Deal blah blah blah" pamplets we drown in now, and if I take the cheapest blue-ray player and a premium 360 you come just below the price of a PS3.
The cheapest Blu Ray players I've seen are roughly around 169. XBOX 360 Player on Amazon can go around 260.
Thats over 420 bucks. More money than what an 80 GB PS3 costs.
This is all new stuff. Not used.
The case is moot because all I'm saying is that I like some of the features on the PS3. I wanted to play PS3 games, but I also like the ability it has to play Bu Ray movies and upscale my DVD's. Is that too hard to understand, or do I automatically have to say the PS3 is shit and I shouldn't of done that. I guess I should of gotten a Blu Ray player and another console for cheaper, but guess what? It doesnt play PS3 games and I already have the 360, and a Wii.
Originally posted by Smasandian
The cheapest Blu Ray players I've seen are roughly around 169. XBOX 360 Player on Amazon can go around 260.Thats over 420 bucks. More money than what an 80 GB PS3 costs.
This is all new stuff. Not used.The case is moot because all I'm saying is that I like some of the features on the PS3. I wanted to play PS3 games, but I also like the ability it has to play Bu Ray movies and upscale my DVD's. Is that too hard to understand, or do I automatically have to say the PS3 is shit and I shouldn't of done that. I guess I should of gotten a Blu Ray player and another console for cheaper, but guess what? It doesnt play PS3 games and I already have the 360, and a Wii.
$20-30 more. Not really much of a difference there.
I dunno, I personally don't see much of a point in getting a PS3 if you have a 360 already. Nearly everything that was formerly Sony exclusive is no longer, and the ones that it does have aren't really worth buying (in my opinion).
Also doesn't help my opinion with the fact that nobody I know that owns a PS3 even uses them at all.
However, I know this much, I certainly wish I had a few hundred dollars to throw around like that, as if it's no big deal ermm
Yeah, maybe not quite worth $450+, who knows if I'll regret buying a PS3 yet. I bought it with money I won so I really just see it as a free console at the moment.
On the attention span note, I agree, I feel that it won't hold my attention for a great deal either, but at the moment, it's all about the little dudes.
Originally posted by Peach
$20-30 more. Not really much of a difference there.I dunno, I personally don't see much of a point in getting a PS3 if you have a 360 already. Nearly everything that was formerly Sony exclusive is no longer, and the ones that it does have aren't really worth buying (in my opinion).
Also doesn't help my opinion with the fact that nobody I know that owns a PS3 even uses them at all.
However, I know this much, I certainly wish I had a few hundred dollars to throw around like that, as if it's no big deal ermm
True. It isnt really much of a difference. But as I said before, I wanted to play PS3 games. Currently playing MGS4 and I love it. Also, alot of my friends have one to so it's awesome playing free online with them.
I'm going to be using it alot for gaming, plus watching Blu Ray movies. I'll be using it more than my Wii, which only gets used when friends who dont have a Wii and dont play games that much come over.
And I dont think it as throwing money away when I'm using it quite a bit.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
Not so, although the blu ray will not be as a major switch as the DVD, it will become far more prominent than it has already, it will take over in the majority of households in time.I did not buy a PS3 for it's DVD upscaling or blu-ray playing capabilities anyway, I bought it because I'm a hardened gamer who wants the capability of playing any game on any available format and as I already own a 360 and Wii it seemed like the next step, and I had a few hundred pounds to burn and with the relativly recent price drop I figured what the hell. The PS3 may not be worth it's price tag for you, and you're within your rites to think that. I personally don't believe the Wii is worth it's price tag, it pumps out casual game after casual game with only a decent game maybe once or twice a year, it's just not what I want in a games console.
First if all, there is absolutely no reason to think the first. Blu-Ray has ended up with a large number of hurdles- low adoption, the arrival of low cost DVD players that upscale, the fact that the Consortium won't budge on fees for the discs which makes people loathe to buy in a recession... a lot of people are now seeing Blu-Ray as a format in a certain amount of trouble. It MIGHT be ok, but there is reason to think that it will not be. Meanwhile, it is absolutely nothing like the switch to DVDs AT ALL- the advantages are marginal in comparison. It is questionable whether there will ever be enough people owning tv systems of sufficient quality to make the price difference of Blu-Ray worth it, but even if there are, fact is that digitial downloads are then another serious threat to Blu-Ray- and are clear of all the problems of firmware upgrades and the current shite state of re-writeable Blu-Rays (which are exceptionally picky about what players they work on). Blu-Ray is in a crappy state of affairs and there is no point just ignoring that. The next year will tell if they ever really become viable or not. However, at this point (even if it lives), even many of Blu-Ray's defenders do not think it will ever become a majority product.
(We are already at the point, btw, where Sony have had to issue a press release trying to fight thios growing feeling that Blu-Ray is doomed (after Samsung basically said they thought it would be out the market in five years). Said press release's major selling point? 'Oh, there are lots of PS3 owners... you wait until where they are in a decade's time!'. What, it is STILL a decade? Wasn't it meant to be a decade two years ago? So now the PS3 is meant to have a 12 year plan? Can they really be so completely blind as to how much the games market- and rival consoles- is going to change over that period of time?)
And I am sorry, but you are wrong about the rest. The PS3 IS overpriced for what it is- this is nothing to do with me having the right to think about anything, it is simply overpriced in comparison to the market, bearing in mind the cost of a. DVD/Blu-Ray players and b. games consoles. If you think otherwise you are simply not being rational. You are also then simply completely ignoring the reason why it is trailing in the market. It should not cost as much as it does, its high cost is causing it to trail in sales, and the extra price does not actually bring with it any worthwhile advantage. If it was actually making use of what Sony claim is its technological superiority, then maybe. But as everyone knows... it's not, and then jury is out on whether such superiority actually exists.
The PS3 is overpriced- fact. You all know that is what history is going to say, and people who deny it now will look completely deluded.
Oh, and Smas? Xboxs go for Amazon for 200 dollars. If you are going to go on what they CAN go for, then the PS3 'CAN' go for much more than 400. That was pretty poor from you. The point of the conversation, as you would know if you had read posts properly, is that the PS3's price does not justify its feature list, and hence when someone points out anything at all they like about the PS3 that is not the games, it is entirely justificable for others to point out that there is a cheaper solution to that elsewhere.
And as, in turn, Sony have justified the high price point on the grounds of its feature list, this is all highly viable criticism of Sony and the PS3.
I never claimed that the PS3 wasn't overpriced... So what are you going on about. There is no other means of playing PS3 games, and me as a gamer wants to be able to play PS3 games so I had no other option to get one. I couldn't give a flying **** about blu ray, I did not buy the PS3 for that as I have stated already. I have no intention of spending money on blue ray movies, unless they become dvd prices. I bought a dreamcast after I knew it was going down and did not regret it, if the PS3 goes down in the next couple of years so be it. I'm a gamer, I love games, I don't care about much else when it comes to consoles.
Might I add that I got a PS3 last of the generation, and it was only when I won money. It's not like I bought the PS3 because I think it's the greatest console ever... It's not even the best of the generation.
Sony justify their price with their high component costs actually. It's up for the consumer to decide whether it's worth the price.