Originally posted by Ushgarak
[b]The PS3 is overpriced- fact. You all know that is what history is going to say, and people who deny it now will look completely deluded.[/B]
I can just picture all the children in the year 2200 opening up their history books, reading about all the delusional people in the year 2009 that believed that the PS3 was good value for money and how they all died in the great Consolcaust of the early 21st century.
The PS3 is just a Blu-Ray player that just happens to play games, and it certainly isn't worth the price tag. (Which as was just said, is incredibly steep.) I can't see why people would want the PS3 games, they are practically none existent anyway.
It's strange the PS3 should have been the top console this generation and yet...
Originally posted by Ushgarak
First if all, there is absolutely no reason to think the first. Blu-Ray has ended up with a large number of hurdles- low adoption, the arrival of low cost DVD players that upscale, the fact that the Consortium won't budge on fees for the discs which makes people loathe to buy in a recession... a lot of people are now seeing Blu-Ray as a format in a certain amount of trouble. It MIGHT be ok, but there is reason to think that it will not be. Meanwhile, it is absolutely nothing like the switch to DVDs AT ALL- the advantages are marginal in comparison. It is questionable whether there will ever be enough people owning tv systems of sufficient quality to make the price difference of Blu-Ray worth it, but even if there are, fact is that digitial downloads are then another serious threat to Blu-Ray- and are clear of all the problems of firmware upgrades and the current shite state of re-writeable Blu-Rays (which are exceptionally picky about what players they work on). Blu-Ray is in a crappy state of affairs and there is no point just ignoring that. The next year will tell if they ever really become viable or not. However, at this point (even if it lives), even many of Blu-Ray's defenders do not think it will ever become a majority product.(We are already at the point, btw, where Sony have had to issue a press release trying to fight thios growing feeling that Blu-Ray is doomed (after Samsung basically said they thought it would be out the market in five years). Said press release's major selling point? 'Oh, there are lots of PS3 owners... you wait until where they are in a decade's time!'. What, it is STILL a decade? Wasn't it meant to be a decade two years ago? So now the PS3 is meant to have a 12 year plan? Can they really be so completely blind as to how much the games market- and rival consoles- is going to change over that period of time?)
And I am sorry, but you are wrong about the rest. The PS3 IS overpriced for what it is- this is nothing to do with me having the right to think about anything, it is simply overpriced in comparison to the market, bearing in mind the cost of a. DVD/Blu-Ray players and b. games consoles. If you think otherwise you are simply not being rational. You are also then simply completely ignoring the reason why it is trailing in the market. It should not cost as much as it does, its high cost is causing it to trail in sales, and the extra price does not actually bring with it any worthwhile advantage. If it was actually making use of what Sony claim is its technological superiority, then maybe. But as everyone knows... it's not, and then jury is out on whether such superiority actually exists.
[b]The PS3 is overpriced
- fact. You all know that is what history is going to say, and people who deny it now will look completely deluded.Oh, and Smas? Xboxs go for Amazon for 200 dollars. If you are going to go on what they CAN go for, then the PS3 'CAN' go for much more than 400. That was pretty poor from you. The point of the conversation, as you would know if you had read posts properly, is that the PS3's price does not justify its feature list, and hence when someone points out anything at all they like about the PS3 that is not the games, it is entirely justificable for others to point out that there is a cheaper solution to that elsewhere.
And as, in turn, Sony have justified the high price point on the grounds of its feature list, this is all highly viable criticism of Sony and the PS3. [/B]
But I pointed out that I bought it because I wanted to play PS3 games, but I do like some of the features that come with it also. But I bought it for PS3 games.
Yeah, you can buy an 200 dollar 360 but its the arcade version. If you want an HD, which I use all the time then you need to buy the Pro, or Elite version. Or you can be an used 360 consoles, but you cannot buy a new 360 console (not arcade) for 200 bucks.
If you're going by that, The Wii has about 5 worthwhile games and doesn't even play dvds, hardly worthy of it's price tag. It's price tag is just less, so people are more forgiving.
If you look at all the consoles individually the 360 obviously comes out on top. It has an impressive library, decent exculsives and a good price tag. The PS3 has an alright library but most of it is shared with the 360, it has a hell of a price but if you don't own a 360 and for some reason you don't want one, it's still a more valid buy than the Wii. Which has nothing going for it really, maybe 1 or 2 buyable titles a year...
Originally posted by §P0oONY
If you're going by that, The Wii has about 5 worthwhile games and doesn't even play dvds, hardly worthy of it's price tag. It's price tag is just less, so people are more forgiving.If you look at all the consoles individually the 360 obviously comes out on top. It has an impressive library, decent exculsives and a good price tag. The PS3 has an alright library but most of it is shared with the 360, it has a hell of a price but if you don't own a 360 and for some reason you don't want one, it's still a more valid buy than the Wii. Which has nothing going for it really, maybe 1 or 2 buyable titles a year...
The Wii isnt that cheap when I think about it. Its 269.99 at big box stores. Only 30 bucks less than a 360 and 130 less than PS3. It's not exactly cheap.
Originally posted by Smasandian
The Wii isnt that cheap when I think about it. Its 269.99 at big box stores. Only 30 bucks less than a 360 and 130 less than PS3. It's not exactly cheap.
A Wii is $250, a Pro 360 is $300 (after having been out three years and had two price drops), and an 80 GB PS3 is $400.
The prices may very depending on the country, or if you're desperate enough to look for a Wii or an older PS3 on ebay, but those are the standard retail prices in the US. The price difference between a Wii and a 360 isn't as sharp as it used to be, but for the majority of the time these consoles have been out, there's been a significant price difference. Considering that when the Wii and the PS3 launched it was $250 for a Wii, $400 for a Pro 360, and $600 for a 60 GB PS3.
Originally posted by Bardock42
On amazon uk, the X-Box Elite (60GB) 160 pounds, the Wii is 240 pounds and the PS3 (80GB) is 280 pounds.How the Wii sells anything is beyond me. Well, not fully beyond me, just saddening.
I really wouldn't trust Amazon as a price point most of the time, to be honest. My experience with them is that stuff can be both hugely discounted or inflated.
60GB is not a 360 Elite, btw. That's just the Pro one (used to be 20GB, they upped it to 60GB a few months ago). Elite comes with a 120GB harddrive.
Originally posted by PeachYeah, I first wrote down the Elite, which was still cheaper than the Wii, but then I thought the Pro would make more sense in comparison, but I forgot to change it to "pro".
I really wouldn't trust Amazon as a price point most of the time, to be honest. My experience with them is that stuff can be both hugely discounted or inflated.60GB is not a 360 Elite, btw. That's just the Pro one (used to be 20GB, they upped it to 60GB a few months ago). Elite comes with a 120GB harddrive.
And generally amazon is where I'd buy my stuff so I just compare it there. I am pretty sure it is very similar in Zavvi atm, anyways.
Originally posted by Peach
I really wouldn't trust Amazon as a price point most of the time, to be honest. My experience with them is that stuff can be both hugely discounted or inflated.60GB is not a 360 Elite, btw. That's just the Pro one (used to be 20GB, they upped it to 60GB a few months ago). Elite comes with a 120GB harddrive.
Originally posted by Peach
A Wii is $250, a Pro 360 is $300 (after having been out three years and had two price drops), and an 80 GB PS3 is $400.The prices may very depending on the country, or if you're desperate enough to look for a Wii or an older PS3 on ebay, but those are the standard retail prices in the US. The price difference between a Wii and a 360 isn't as sharp as it used to be, but for the majority of the time these consoles have been out, there's been a significant price difference. Considering that when the Wii and the PS3 launched it was $250 for a Wii, $400 for a Pro 360, and $600 for a 60 GB PS3.
Who needs a price drop when it continues to sell. It can also be the case that PS3 and XBOX 360 prices decreased based on manufacturers cost.
Originally posted by Smasandian
Who needs a price drop when it continues to sell. It can also be the case that PS3 and XBOX 360 prices decreased based on manufacturers cost.
Well, the 360's price drops - the recent one at least - were because the sales were stagnating. The PS3's gone through a dozen versions because they kept cutting out features to try and drop the price to get people to buy it.
So, I'd say it was because of sales more than anything else.