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Originally posted by Nactous
Overflow of concept art from a previous game dated 2004? Being that the game was released in 04 I find that very unlikely. Obsidian is fast but not that fast. I also think it is odd that you consider the Battlefront 3 video "solid" anyway. It has no more credibility than the rumors or that concept art.

And if you tell me you really, honestly believe that an actual gameplay video does not have more credibility than internet speculation and a few unconfirmed drawings, I cannot take anything you say seriously and must conclude that you are arguing merely to argue, regardless of how ridiculous your claims may become.

I should think that a video of gameplay has way more credibility than supposed concept art, seeing as it's a video of gameplay.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
One thing about being an artist: You never stop putting down your ideas. KotOR II was released very late in '04, remember, and it was rushed at that. It's perfectly believable that Zhang, and indeed the entire concept team would have been working into '04.

And if you really, honestly believe that an actual gameplay video does not have more credibility than internet speculation and a few unconfirmed drawings, I cannot take anything you say seriously and must conclude that you are arguing merely to argue, regardless of how ridiculous your claims may become.

Okay, the bit about the artist I just cannot buy at all, the primary concept art for KotOR 2 would have to have been finished by late 2002 to early 2003 giving enough time to actually get some of the models and locals together. So, why would someone draw concept art for a game that was well into development( 'well' in the sense that it didn't need character designs anymore) and past the initial design stage.

Personally I do believe that this is actual footage but you said it yourself earlier, it still lacks "unofficial facts."Belief in the actual product aside, its still very easy to "doctor" videos, as seen in the case of controversy over a Star Wars Galaxies fake expansion; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06jpz174BNk.
Even though it mostly looks fake, it had that community in an up roaor.

Originally posted by Nactous
You know what I want in a system?...Exclusives!!!

OH SNAP!!! Suck it Sony!

Dude that is soooooo 2006.

Originally posted by Nactous
Okay, the bit about the artist I just cannot buy at all, the primary concept art for KotOR 2 would have to have been finished by late 2002 to early 2003 giving enough time to actually get some of the models and locals together. So, why would someone draw concept art for a game that was well into development( 'well' in the sense that it didn't need character designs anymore) and past the initial design stage.

Personally I do believe that this is actual footage but you said it yourself earlier, it still lacks "unofficial facts."Belief in the actual product aside, its still very easy to "doctor" videos, as seen in the case of controversy over a Star Wars Galaxies fake expansion; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06jpz174BNk.
Even though it mostly looks fake, it had that community in an up roaor.

And what good are "unofficial facts"? Your mistyping aside, it is easy to doctor videos. Not so easy to produce a video from scratch using brand-new assets that are quite obviously quality professional work, including a lightsaber battle that could only have been done using professional choreography and expensive motion capture equipment.

And that's speaking only of the video, and not the unconnected test renders posted on a confirmed game artist's personal blog and bearing the official game logo.

I find it ridiculous that you are trying to prove KotOR 3's existence by attempting to disprove Battlefront 3's. Are you really that desperate for any foothold?

Originally posted by Captain REX
I should think that a video of gameplay has way more credibility than supposed concept art, seeing as it's a video of gameplay.

aye.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
And thus fails your claim that you know more than me. It's the concepts that take so damn long. Coming up with a complete concept that the producer likes can be hell, but once a design is pinned down a responsible modeler can create something game-worthy easily in less than a week. For instance, on The Force Unleashed the final art deadline was late September 07, less than a year before the final market release date, which was also a pushed back release date. Considering that development on TFU started in 04, that's certainly "well into development."

And what good are "unofficial facts"? Your mistyping aside, it is easy to doctor videos. Not so easy to produce a video from scratch using brand-new assets that are quite obviously quality professional work, including a lightsaber battle that could only have been done using professional choreography and expensive motion capture equipment.

And that's speaking only of the video, and not the unconnected test renders posted on a confirmed game artist's personal blog and bearing the official game logo.

I find it ridiculous that you are trying to prove KotOR 3's existence by attempting to disprove Battlefront 3's. Are you really that desperate for any foothold?

BS! You cant believe for second that that is left over KotOR 2 art. Common Sense disproves it. Btw, they went through countless other ideas before they even settled in on TFU, Lucas gave his stamp after he saw the pre-visual back in 06, so there was no work on TFU back in 04. That being said there was work on other concepts in 04, including a wookie game, as well as countless others. I'm not saying KotOR 3 got as far as Battlefront 3 did, but it is extremly foolish to believe it was never in development.

Originally posted by Nactous
BS! You cant believe for second that that is left over KotOR 2 art. Common Sense disproves it. Btw, they went through countless other ideas before they even settled in on TFU, Lucas gave his stamp after he saw the pre-visual back in 06, so there was no work on TFU back in 04. That being said there was work on other concepts in 04, including a wookie game, as well as countless others. I'm not saying KotOR 3 got as far as Battlefront 3 did, but it is extremly foolish to believe it was never in development.

For that matter, yes there were several hundred gameplay and content concepts explored at the beginning of the TFU project, a handful of which were given further development. I have a book with a great deal of concept art from the TFU project, with a section devoted to those abandoned concepts from 04. Even if it was not yet explicitly TFU, it was the same design team, and therefore the same project.

There is no reason to believe KotOR 3 was ever in development, beyond the words of rabid fans on the internet like yourself.

In the end it is whatever you want to believe it seems. You claim you know how the "business works" that may or may not be so, but I know KotOR(pros of being a fanboy is that you know your shit.) If you want to act like a third was never in development(due to a lack of official announcements) then by all means do, but many, many would disagree, due to the fact that rumors are born from some sense of fact.

BTW, how is the Art of Force Unleashed?

Originally posted by Nactous
In the end it is whatever you want to believe it seems. You claim you know how the "business works" that may or may not be so, but I know KotOR(pros of being a fanboy is that you know your shit.) If you want to act like a third was never in development(due to a lack of official announcements) then by all means do, but many, many would disagree, due to the fact that rumors are born from some sense of fact.

BTW, how is the Art of Force Unleashed?

This is all only slightly related to the point that the current build of Battlefront 3, which does indeed exist, which we know through verifiable proof, will inevitably be acquired by another company and eventually make it to market release.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
And in the end, I choose to believe in reality, as supported by fact. If LucasArts were to actually tell people "Yes, there was some work on KotOR 3 but it was dropped," things would be entirely different. But as the actual truth is the only official announcements were denying its existence, and there was never any verifiable proof to the opposite, reason would say it was not in development.

This is all only slightly related to the point that the current build of Battlefront 3, which does indeed exist, which we know through verifiable proof, will inevitably be acquired by another company and eventually make it to market release.

Well, I believe you felt my proof was not sufficient enough due to the fact that it was dated the same year as the game, as well as the layoff's of the KotOR 3 team being reported on hundreds of sites. Like always sir, you see what you want to see. I did not think the truth was biased after all...

Lets wait for official announcement before we pass it off as fact shall we.

Originally posted by Nactous
Well, I believe you felt my proof was not sufficient enough due to the fact that it was dated the same year as the game, as well as the layoff's of the KotOR 3 team being reported on hundreds of sites. Like always sir, you see what you want to see. I did not think the truth was biased after all...

Lets wait for official announcement before we pass it off as fact shall we.

Originally posted by Nactous
Well, I believe you felt my proof was not sufficient enough due to the fact that it was dated the same year as the game, as well as the layoff's of the KotOR 3 team being reported on hundreds of sites. Like always sir, you see what you want to see. I did not think the truth was biased after all...

Lets wait for official announcement before we pass it off as fact shall we.

Your proof was insufficient because you did not have an actual scrap of proof. All you had was speculation and rumor, and everything official ever said about the game went directly against said rumors and speculation.

Sorry, but I think it's a bit ridiculous to believe rumor over official word that something is not being made.

Im thinking of picking up a PSP, mostly for its region free stuff so I can play some imports.

Thoughts on PSP?

Originally posted by Peach
Sorry, but I think it's a bit ridiculous to believe rumor over official word that something is not being made.

Like Microsoft said about Halo 3 up till the morning of its reveal at E3?

I just find it a tad bit hypocritical, that's all.

How is not believing rumors, the majority of which have no basis in reality, and instead preferring to follow official announcements hypocritical?

I think you need a dictionary or something.

Well, if you looking in terms of official announcement neither KotOR3 or Battlefront 3 existed.

I would say that a video of gameplay from the studio that was developing it that says "oh, yeah, this is BFIII" is official that the game is in development.

Random sketches that people assume are for KOTOR3, despite LucasArts and BioWare saying that it is not in development...that's slightly different. And by slightly different, I mean "about as different as night and day".

Originally posted by Peach
I would say that a video of gameplay from the studio that was developing it that says "oh, yeah, this is BFIII" is official that the game is in development.

Your still not getting the "Official Announcement" part are you? Nothing says more Official than a press release. While I think it is BF3 personally, it was never confirmed, key word, a-n-n-o-u-n-c-e-m-e-n-t, or perhaps you'd like the other one, o-f-f-i-c-i-a-l. And as solid as it should appear and does, it should still be taken as unofficial due to the fact the game was never confirmed by Lucas and company.
You cant have it both ways guys, sorry.

BTW, no one is arguing that this isn't Battlefront three(as seen by the logo at the end) the argument is that the game in the works was never officially confirmed/nor announced.