Originally posted by S_D_J
ok, this is right out bullsh*t[b]Report: No Used Games on Next Xbox
A bold move...but is Microsoft willing to compromise its consumer base?I seriously hope this isn't true
I won't be buying the next xbox if that's the case and just stick to PS or PC
Such move will only encourage Piracy, and rightfully so [/B]
Which wouldn't happen haermm
Originally posted by Smasandian
Used games are a thing of a past in the PC world.
Thanks to Steam, I'd agree.
Those crazy sales are too much to resist.
But Piracy is still as rampant.
Originally posted by Barker
They'd have to drop new game prices to minimize shitstorm.Which wouldn't happen haermm
While games could be cheaper (as online purchase tend to), retailers would refuse to sell the new M$ console as well as its games. Not to mention it'd be a dick move.
As well, retailers don't take used PC games. They haven't for years.
What evidence do you have that retailers will refuse to sell a new MS console if it doesn't allow used games"?
And what's stopping Sony to follow the same path. If you think about it, wouldn't a publisher want to push their games onto the console that stops used games from being sold?
And piracy will always happen.
To be honest I've never heard of used PC games.
Retailers play a grand part in pricing games, that's why digital versions are not that much cheaper, they'd through a hizzy fit and refuse to stock games.
Also they stand to lose a huge market they've been profiting greatly, so refusing to stock the console would be their logical thing to do.
Where would your console or boxed games be sold then?
No one can stop either (Sony or MS) to do what they want, but retailers as well as their customers can as easily turn their back on them.
Yeah, I still have a few used PC games. I don't know if a lot of people traded games in but I remember EB in Canada allowed you to trade in used PC games.
There still isn't evidence that suggest that retailers would refuse to stock the XBOX 720 games. Why would they? They make a profit from new games as well as used. They'll probably be pissed but they have to adapt to the times. It's more than likely that digital downloads will be a huge part in the next 10-15 years so they will have to adapt.
I just don't understand how Microsoft rumored to no allow used games to be on their consoles is considered a dick move by you yet used games are not.
lol. No, retailers aren't going to miss out on all that delicious profit by telling MS to shove off.
If the next Xbox won't take used games, every retailer will bow down and accept it, Sony will probably implement something similar, and the system(s) will sell like hotcakes. That's just the reality. Something as small as not being able to use used games just isn't enough of an inconvenience to most people, especially with the market shifting toward a preference for online multiplayer games anyway.
I actually don't know a lot of people who buy used games.
I don't because I like to give my money to publishers/developer than a retailer but I bought the original Darkness used because it was almost impossible to find a new copy.
And yes, Sony would implement the same system. Why would a console maker care more about a retailer than publishers. They survive on publishers releasing games on the system and there will always be somebody willing to sell a product that the public demands.
There were rumors that the PS3 wouldn't be able to play used games, and nothing came of that.
Also? Retailers could very easily say "no, we won't stock your games if you do this" in order to make them not include that feature. New game sales are not profitable for retailers, and Gamestop/EB holds a majority of MS game sales, which means MS isn't going to want to piss them off.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
lol. No, retailers aren't going to miss out on all that delicious profit by telling MS to shove off.If the next Xbox won't take used games, every retailer will bow down and accept it, Sony will probably implement something similar, and the system(s) will sell like hotcakes. That's just the reality. Something as small as not being able to use used games just isn't enough of an inconvenience to most people, especially with the market shifting toward a preference for online multiplayer games anyway.
They wouldn't just bend over for them. The times are changing but you still have to buy a console to keep up with the times, by refusing to stock the console, and they have every right to do so, they screw the manufacturer.
Their Delicious profit isn't from consoles, its games, specially used games for which they stand to gain all the dough and share nothing.
Now if MS were to open their very own stores, they wouldn't need retailers.
Originally posted by Smasandian
Yeah, I still have a few used PC games. I don't know if a lot of people traded games in but I remember EB in Canada allowed you to trade in used PC games.There still isn't evidence that suggest that retailers would refuse to stock the XBOX 720 games. Why would they? They make a profit from new games as well as used. They'll probably be pissed but they have to adapt to the times. It's more than likely that digital downloads will be a huge part in the next 10-15 years so they will have to adapt.
I just don't understand how Microsoft rumored to no allow used games to be on their consoles is considered a dick move by you yet used games are not.
do you know how pricing works?
The reason we have to buy $60 games at launch instead of say 30-40 or even $50 is because of retailers... the very same reason you pay about the same price the same week for a virtual copy. If they managed to maintain pricing this long, what's to stop them from deciding not to stock a console on a simple whim?
virtual copies shouldn't cost as much as physicals do. There's no handling, manufacturing, packaging or any of the sort...
They make full profit on used games, much more than they do on new copies (just like Peach said)
I realized there were talks of PS3 including this feature and nothing happened... but there's the fact that publishers have implemented those annoying online codes. I don't think MS will have the balls to pull a move like this. I'd be very impressed if they do.
why is it a dick move? I must say I'm astonished some of you are comfortable with publishers trying to exert this much control on you. What's the point of owning a physical copy if it's only playable on one console. You'd just be effectively renting the software instead of buying it, and paying full price for it.
It's as much as dick move as the way the used market is currently handled by some retailers (as they charge you 55$ for a one-week-used game)
Originally posted by Kazenji
Some of the used games are worth buying, Just have to check the disc before making the purchase because i've seen some which are like brand new.Used to be used PC games years ago.
I've never been much of a PC gamer so I wouldn't know.
I do know I've been introduced to fantastic franchises by some friends who lend their copies. Franchises I buy brand new now
I was never for or against the idea.
I just think a retailer will sell games for a new MS console if the feature was used.
Used games are very profitable for retailers. I have no doubt about. But they also make money on new games as well. If they didn't then why would they sell the games? Why would they make an effort to persuade gamers to pre-order from their store?
The only way a retailer would not stock games from the new console is if there isn't anybody buying the hardware. If people buy, there will be retailers selling the games.
Virtual games are sold at regular price is because people still buy them at regular price. That's pricing. If people are willing to pay $60 then that's the price of it. That's how it works.
Any store that would refuse to sell new copies of the next gen Xbox games because of this would be hurting themselves much more than MS.
People buy from Gamestop because it's convenient. But make no mistake, if Gamestop decided that they wouldn't carry new games, people would go elsewhere without hesitation.
The fact is Gamestop's main method of making money is going to have to be altered or else the company will go the way of Blockbuster. Soon enough the main (and eventually: only) method of delivering games into the hands of consumers will be through digital downloads.
Gamestop attempting to force Microsoft into continuing to allow them to cockblock profits for the game developers would only be a short term stop-gap to their eventual demise. In the long term it'd only hurt them by damaging their relationship with Microsoft. It'd be a very stupid move on Gamestop's part. Or from any retailer, really.
Fact is, Gamestop has been getting a free ride from used game sales, it wasn't going to last forever. If they have no plan B other than having a tantrum when a company decides to eliminate the option of selling used games, then the company is pretty much done, anyways.
The only way a retailer boycott would really do any harm to MS is if every single major retail chain did it. And if that were the case MS would simply make downloading a game the main platform for delivering it to consumers a larger priority more quickly.
Basically, if there is demand for games from the new console, somebody out there will want to profit from it. If Gamestop decided to boycott then another store will take the reins and sell the games for it.
The reason is because new games make profit for people.
As for stopping used games, the only way I could see is through online checks using an account.
More DRM? really? you want more of that?
There's no stopping "used" games, There shouldn't be. It's an integral part of the way economics works. Trading can't and shouldn't be stopped, not even videogames'.
They should stop Gamestop (or such retailers) from extorting consumers with their prices, fight them but not by stomping over consumers' rights.
This whole thing of putting more retarded DRM, now even on consoles, does not benefit anyone, not even videogame companies. It only encourages piracy, and the honest buyers are the ones paying the bill.
So is Steam being a retarded douchebag for anyone else? It won't "sync" my games or go online, and when I try to go on the site it doesn't work.
Originally posted by BackFire
Any store that would refuse to sell new copies of the next gen Xbox games because of this would be hurting themselves much more than MS.People buy from Gamestop because it's convenient. But make no mistake, if Gamestop decided that they wouldn't carry new games, people would go elsewhere without hesitation.
The fact is Gamestop's main method of making money is going to have to be altered or else the company will go the way of Blockbuster. Soon enough the main (and eventually: only) method of delivering games into the hands of consumers will be through digital downloads.
Gamestop attempting to force Microsoft into continuing to allow them to cockblock profits for the game developers would only be a short term stop-gap to their eventual demise. In the long term it'd only hurt them by damaging their relationship with Microsoft. It'd be a very stupid move on Gamestop's part. Or from any retailer, really.
Fact is, Gamestop has been getting a free ride from used game sales, it wasn't going to last forever. If they have no plan B other than having a tantrum when a company decides to eliminate the option of selling used games, then the company is pretty much done, anyways.
The only way a retailer boycott would really do any harm to MS is if every single major retail chain did it. And if that were the case MS would simply make downloading a game the main platform for delivering it to consumers a larger priority more quickly.
Exactly.