Guess what the Wiimote will allow us to do in Zelda:Twilight Princess?
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Guess what the Wiimote will allow us to do in Zelda:Twilight Princess?
Article: Wiimote and Zelda
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Originally posted by El_NINO
Guess what the Wiimote will allow us to do in Zelda:Twilight Princess?Article: Wiimote and Zelda
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I'm certainly glad they edited the controls...but I would have rather heard about the game itself. What's the plotline? Where are the dungeons? What weapons can you use? How is it different from Ocarina or Wind Waker? Why is Link a wolf? Will we see guest appearances of old characters? Are there hidden bosses. Will Link possess new abilities that were not previously seen?
Nintendo needs to stop tooting the novelty of the controller and start focusing on the games itself. I like how the controls offer something new...but what REALLY offers something new is the games itself. Super Mario 64 opened new doors for gaming.
I heard that Nintendo is even stooping low enough to remake old games allowing the use of the remote. A naive person would be all full of gusto...but a smart person would see right through it and wonder why he should pay extra money for the limited novelty of using the remote for Super Mario Sunshine???
Originally posted by MadMel
bleh...well find out next month, just wait..oh and draco, i dont think it will be as 'kiddie' as the cube..there are a fair few 'adult' games, including red steel, call of duty 3 and farcry..and those are just launch titles..
The Gamecube was truely a kiddie console. Noone with a half a brain can deny it. Of course, there are fanboys who will say "Wait! RE4 and Sanity's Requiem weren't kiddy!!" Oh boy. Two games were mature out of several hundred kiddie games featuring Dara the Explorer, Power Rangers and Winnie the Pooh.
It WAS a wise choice back then to get some part of the market; namely the younger generation, ages 4-13.
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GCDC: "Cross-platform floodgates will open in 2008" says Microsoft
Johnny Minkley 16:10 22/08/2006Online-only gamer achievements planned.
Microsoft today unveiled its roadmap for PC and Xbox 360 cross-platform gaming, predicting that "the floodgates will open" for software playable across the two formats by 2008.
Speaking in a session at the Games Convention Developer Conference in Leipzig, Microsoft UK third-party account manager Steven Blackburn offered delegates an update on the firm's Xbox Live service. He also provided details of future plans for marketplace, Live Arcade and the Vista and 360-linking Live Anywhere service.
Blackburn confirmed that the first truly cross-platform playable title, Shadowrun, will launch in early 2007 - before revealing that Microsoft will incorporate a number of online-only gamer achievements to help deliver "first blood" in persuading gamers to try out the online functionality between PC and console.
Blackburn added that the first third-party cross-platform content would arrive in autumn 2007, by which time the application and certification process will have been finalised, with the "floodgates to open for all titles" in 2008.
Elsewhere in the presentation, entitled 'Xbox Live - Now' and in the Future', Microsoft claimed that 80 per cent of connected Xbox 360 owners are using Marketplace, while 30 per cent use Microsoft points to purchase content with an average of 25 items downloaded per user.
Blackburn added that 65 per cent of connected 360 users have tried Arcade, with over five million downloads from the service already made.
Originally posted by Draco69
The Gamecube was truely a kiddie console. Noone with a half a brain can deny it. Of course, there are fanboys who will say "Wait! RE4 and Sanity's Requiem weren't kiddy!!" Oh boy. Two games were mature out of several hundred kiddie games featuring Dara the Explorer, Power Rangers and Winnie the Pooh.It WAS a wise choice back then to get some part of the market; namely the younger generation, ages 4-13.
Oh my god, I hate that ****ing argument.
Just because a game isnt rated M, it doesnt mean its kiddy. Mario and Zelda arent kiddy games, they just arent aimed at exclusively at a mature audience.
Ast has a point. Anything with Spongebob or other children-demographic shows ended up on at least the PS2 as well.
Sure, there were kiddie games on the Cube. Just remember, those same games were on the PS2 and XBox, too.
And as everyone intelligent knows, an E rated game doesn't equal unfun for those able to play T and M games. Try Zelda, Metroid, StarFox. Great games, kid-friendly rating.
Originally posted by AstroFan
Oh my god, I hate that ****ing argument.Just because a game isnt rated M, it doesnt mean its kiddy. Mario and Zelda arent kiddy games, they just arent aimed at exclusively at a mature audience.
Mario and Zelda certainly weren't kiddy....but they were certainly oriented towards the younger audience.
Particularly with the non-violent "clean the enemy to death!" water gun attack from Mario and the super-easy "Tap A to instantly defeat the enemy!" Zelda game.
Also, as anyone actual BROWSED the Gamecube section? What do we see? Dora the Explorer. Power Rangers. Spongebob Squarepants. The Fairly Oddparents.
Xbox took a similar route but by marketing towards adults which they succeeded. PS2 took the balanced approached. And Gamecube seized the opportunity to take the one market that the other consoles didn't: the children.
All I ask is that Nintendo take the PS2 approach: Games for all ages.
And when I mean "all ages", I don't mean a ratio of older generation to younger generation of 5:2000 .......
Looks like Nintendo learned its lesson though, Thank God...
Originally posted by Draco69
Mario and Zelda certainly weren't kiddy....but they were certainly oriented towards the younger audience.Particularly with the non-violent "clean the enemy to death!" water gun attack from Mario and the super-easy "Tap A to instantly defeat the enemy!" Zelda game.
Also, as anyone actual BROWSED the Gamecube section? What do we see? Dora the Explorer. Power Rangers. Spongebob Squarepants. The Fairly Oddparents.
Xbox took a similar route but by marketing towards adults which they succeeded. PS2 took the balanced approached. And Gamecube seized the opportunity to take the one market that the other consoles didn't: the children.
All I ask is that Nintendo take the PS2 approach: Games for all ages.
And when I mean "all ages", I don't mean a ratio of older generation to younger generation of 5:2000 .......
Looks like Nintendo learned its lesson though, Thank God...
I have to agree with you there. Undoubtedly, the Gamecube library was mostly games that were aimed at younger children, and for the most part, ones that older teenagers/adults would have no interest in. 😬
Originally posted by General Kaliero
Ast has a point. Anything with Spongebob or other children-demographic shows ended up on at least the PS2 as well.Sure, there were kiddie games on the Cube. Just remember, those same games were on the PS2 and XBox, too.
And as everyone intelligent knows, an E rated game doesn't equal unfun for those able to play T and M games. Try Zelda, Metroid, StarFox. Great games, kid-friendly rating.
Originally posted by AstroFan
If people actually look, all those kiddy third party games do show up on the other consoles.
Originally posted by Lana
No kidding. Just because it's made for everyone to enjoy doesn't mean it's kiddy.
Okay this is what we call denial....
First, "kiddy" does not equal "unfun" or "bad" or "not good". Did I say that? Did anyone say that? No. You guys are the only ones who said it.
To me, logically that is. "Kiddy" equals a game or a personage that is directly marketed towards a younger population group aging on average 4-13 years old.
Now, let's do a brief psychological examination. You guys automatically assumed that the word "kiddy" was something as AstroFan pointed out, "unfun". Did I say that? Nope. You guys did....
Judging by your prior posts, you're all relatively aged from 18 to as old as 35 years old since you've been playing Nintendo games. As a child, you needed no justification to play Nintendo games. You were a kid. That's what kids do.
But now you're adults. Some of you have jobs. Some of you are in college. And you still retain the love for Nintendo. Who wouldn't? But, you notice that the games seem a bit well..childish. It's certainly fun. No doubt. Nintendo has never flopped on the fun. But you realized that you're not a kid and that you're an adult...playing a game geared for the younger audience. Due to societal pressure, entertainment that is geared for the "younger" audience is deemed "uncool", "immature", or "bad". So you've all built in a self-defense mechanism that poorly rationalizes that "kiddy" is bad but as long as they're good games they are no longer under the status of "kiddy"; it becomes a PC term called "everyone". By using this rationale, you successfully perceive yourself as adult who simply plays "fun" games that aren't "kiddy" because "kiddy" is bad....
This is called denial...
Gamecube has predominantly children-oriented games. There's no denying this. Is it bad? No!
You're all trying to reestablish the "validity" of the console by stating there were "some" kiddy games or these games weren't kiddy as they were rated E for Everyone, or you read off the far and between GC games that weren't oriented for children like RE4 to illogically "redeem" GC as a non-kiddy-oriented console.
Kiddy isn't bad! You're adults that like to play children-oriented games and you're damn proud of it!
It's nothing to be ashamed of. GC was oriented towards younger audiences much like the Xbox was clearly oriented towards the older audience. If I made an arguement that the Xbox was a kiddy console would any of you believe me? No!
Again, kiddy isn't bad...however financially it can be as it alienates many unwilling gamers who don't won't to play "immature" games. Sucks for them....
What are you, a psychologist?
The term "kiddy" as it's been used started with Xbox and PS2 favorers who loved to put down the Cube as a system meant for only small children. The fuel for this was and is the undeniable large amount of games for children on the Cube.
The internet media, including many game review sites and forums, managed to connotate "kiddy" with "boring, insipid, stupid," in other words, "unfun." And subsequently, that connotation branched out to games not only explicitly for small children, but any game which a small child could feasibly play, meaning any game rated "E" by the ESRB.
It's less denial than an auto-defense mechanism against rabid PS2 fanboys, I suppose. 😛
Originally posted by General Kaliero
What are you, a psychologist?
Took like one course in high school....
Originally posted by General Kaliero
The term "kiddy" as it's been used started with Xbox and PS2 favorers who loved to put down the Cube as a system meant for only small children.
I'm perfectly aware of that. I'm also perfectly the complete ludicrious of Nintendo fanboys countering the bashing with "It's NOT kiddy! GC has Metroid and Resident Evil!"
Instead of curling up like a turtle, they should of said "So? We like kiddy games!"
Originally posted by General Kaliero
The fuel for this was and is the undeniable large amount of games for children on the Cube.
Oh, NOW we admit it....
Originally posted by General Kaliero
The internet media, including many game review sites and forums, managed to connotate "kiddy" with "boring, insipid, stupid," in other words, "unfun." And subsequently, that connotation branched out to games not only explicitly for small children, but any game which a small child could feasibly play, meaning any game rated "E" by the ESRB.
Which is a fault of their own. They're people who have slightly more of a life. But denying the "kiddieness" of the GC and not embracing it was just plain goofy.
Originally posted by General Kaliero
It's less denial than an auto-defense mechanism against rabid PS2 fanboys, I suppose. 😛
No, as I said, it's a defense mechanism to yourself and others that even though you're a 30-something year old man playing Super Mario, you're not "uncool" by playing a "kiddy" game because's it's not "kiddy", it's for everyone "who likes games" and it is therefore good.
It's just a defense mechanism out of societally-placed embarassment placed on those who are adults who play children-oriented games.
I mean would anyone honestly say at a formal dinner: "Oh, I skipped our vacation to Maui so I could defeat the Bowser. His Super-Fireball attack always causes my Ice Flower to melt away and I lose three lives in the process!"
You would look SLIGHTLY less ridiculous if you said "I was playing Halo." Because Halo is "cool" game for adults.
Draco, you seem to be forgetting the key thing about video games.
They were always intended to be geared at kids (well, all audiences, really).
But, you notice that the games seem a bit well..childish.
Bit of a broad generalization there. Maybe you find that so, but I'll bet a lot of people don't.
And leave the psychology mumbo-jumbo to people who know what they're talking about 😛
Originally posted by Lana
Draco, you seem to be forgetting the key thing about video games.They were always intended to be geared at kids (well, all audiences, really).
In the past, yes. But now with complex storylines that don't make a lick of sense (FF...) and sex games (God of War...) and additional components like HDTV and HD-DVD and DVD itself, video games are growing more and more oriented towards the older audience because it's more profitable to do so.
Originally posted by Lana
Bit of a broad generalization there. Maybe you find that so, but I'll bet a lot of people don't.And leave the psychology mumbo-jumbo to people who know what they're talking about 😛
It's a valid assumption that has alot of truth "a lot of people" here aren't willing to admit openly.
It's food for thought and I'm certainly not gonna write a thesis about it, it does draw inner observations of 30 something year old man playing an Italian plumber with a squirt gun in his apartment.
We all in someway cannot let go our childhood.
Which is something I'm apparently growing out of and I don't like it.
I could play a game for three hours straight. Nowadays, I get incredibly impatient with the game and switch it off. I find my interest in games is slowly but surely dwindling.
Like when I got Kingdom Hearts II, I was excited to play it...but when I actually began to play it, I got quickly bored with it and shut it off in less than 10 minutes once the gameplay had begun.
Same with lots of other games. Now I'm interested in reading books and going out to noisy clubs.
Horrifying isn't it? All I ask is that I retain SOME of my former interest for FFXII. At the rate I'm going, I probably won't finish it...
🙁
Originally posted by Draco69
In the past, yes. But now with complex storylines that don't make a lick of sense (FF...) and sex games (God of War...) and additional components like HDTV and HD-DVD and DVD itself, video games are growing more and more oriented towards the older audience because it's more profitable to do so.It's a valid assumption that has alot of truth "a lot of people" here aren't willing to admit openly.
It's food for thought and I'm certainly not gonna write a thesis about it, it does draw inner observations of 30 something year old man playing an Italian plumber with a squirt gun in his apartment.
We all in someway cannot let go our childhood.
Which is something I'm apparently growing out of and I don't like it.
I could play a game for three hours straight. Nowadays, I get incredibly impatient with the game and switch it off. I find my interest in games is slowly but surely dwindling.
Like when I got Kingdom Hearts II, I was excited to play it...but when I actually began to play it, I got quickly bored with it and shut it off in less than 10 minutes once the gameplay had begun.
Same with lots of other games. Now I'm interested in reading books and going out to noisy clubs.
Horrifying isn't it? All I ask is that I retain SOME of my former interest for FFXII. At the rate I'm going, I probably won't finish it...
🙁
The real question is how is playing a video game not childish? Think about it, we are all 18 - 30 years old as you put it playing on a device meant for kids and teenagers (older kids). "GTA SA is M therefore its not kiddie" yet your playing a kids game.
I dont know about you but I have always seen consoles for kids and teenagers but the reason why I cant stop playing video games is because I grew up playing video games. Almost like when you grow up playing a specific sport, youll love it for life.
Originally posted by El_NINO
The real question is how is playing a video game not childish? Think about it, we are all 18 - 30 years old as you put it playing on a device meant for kids and teenagers (older kids). "GTA SA is M therefore its not kiddie" yet your playing a kids game.I dont know about you but I have always seen consoles for kids and teenagers but the reason why I cant stop playing video games is because I grew up playing video games. Almost like when you grow up playing a specific sport, youll love it for life.
I don't think it's a fair statement to say you're playing a device "meant for kids and teenagers (older kids)." The consoles, ideally, are made to play games that target a broad range of ages, from games for everyone, to games for adults. Microsoft has said themself that their target age when making the 360 was 19, hardly a 'kid' or 'older kid.'
GTA as a game meant for kids? I don't think so.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
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