Originally posted by GalacticStorm
😂 Whirly what do you take me for. Im no Mider or Leonheart. Your clumsy attempts to goad me are hilarious. 😂Grow up old man. Find a better way to spend your spare time then trying to make people feel bad about themselves. What that suggests about yourself is most worrying indeed. 🙁
You poor soul. 🙁 🙂
you feel bad about yourself little boy ✅
thats sad but don't blame me.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Because there is still the doubt of the plane flying towards him as opposed to away from him. So which of those shows him racing and then catching the plane? as opposed to flying into a plane that is also flying at him?
It shows him being fast enough to compete and defeat a plane that is capable of going with speeds of 450 MPH.
And this scan shows him flying towards a plane:
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30817243455.gif&s=x11
Since it was Namor who hit the plane, we can assume that he went with faster speeds.
manhattan's what, three miles wide? a straight line going three miles at 40 miles per hour would take four and a half minutes. 270 seconds. if it took him so much as twenty, that's still less than a tenth of the time it would take going at 40 mph, and more than ten times the speed of 40 mph. so he's at least flying somewhere in the hundreds of miles per hour.
to bisect the wing of a plane, even a plane "slowing" to attack speeds (which, i'll say is a generous 200 miles per hour,) and tear a hole hardly wider than his own width implies that in the time it took to get his six-feet and two inches through the wing of the plane, the plane moved forward hardly an inch. being generous, again, we'll say the plane moved six inches forward at two hundred miles per hour in the time it took namor to move 74 inches. namor would be moving more than twelve times as quickly as the plane, thus moving at speeds greater than 2400 miles per hour.
both of those instances take simple math applied to scenes you claim have no "reference" speeds. planes need to be moving at several hundred miles per hour to stay aloft, and fighter jets in particular are known for their incredible speed. even when slowing down to paveway a target, they still pass over the target at speeds of (at least) two hundred miles per hour. the derivation of the latter mathematics was taken from the panels, and from known facts about aircraft. the first was simple conjecture. BOTH, however, showed him moving significantly faster than his handbook entry says he can.
why's it such a big deal to accept that he can move at such speeds? he can, and he's done it before. why go through all the trouble of attempting to discredit a scene because "there's no reference" for how quickly he's moving? who even cares if he can fly faster than storm? he's fast, and he's faster than the handbook says he is. can we end it there?
Originally posted by Disappear
manhattan's what, three miles wide? a straight line going three miles at 40 miles per hour would take four and a half minutes. 270 seconds. if it took him so much as twenty, that's still less than a tenth of the time it would take going at 40 mph, and more than ten times the speed of 40 mph. so he's at least flying somewhere in the hundreds of miles per hour.to bisect the wing of a plane, even a plane "slowing" to attack speeds (which, i'll say is a generous 200 miles per hour,) and tear a hole hardly wider than his own width implies that in the time it took to get his six-feet and two inches through the wing of the plane, the plane moved forward hardly an inch. being generous, again, we'll say the plane moved six inches forward at two hundred miles per hour in the time it took namor to move 74 inches. namor would be moving more than twelve times as quickly as the plane, thus moving at speeds greater than 2400 miles per hour.
both of those instances take simple math applied to scenes you claim have no "reference" speeds. planes need to be moving at several hundred miles per hour to stay aloft, and fighter jets in particular are known for their incredible speed. even when slowing down to paveway a target, they still pass over the target at speeds of (at least) two hundred miles per hour. the derivation of the latter mathematics was taken from the panels, and from known facts about aircraft. the first was simple conjecture. BOTH, however, showed him moving significantly faster than his handbook entry says he can.
why's it such a big deal to accept that he can move at such speeds? he can, and he's done it before. why go through all the trouble of attempting to discredit a scene because "there's no reference" for how quickly he's moving? who even cares if he can fly faster than storm? he's fast, and he's faster than the handbook says he is. can we end it there?
Agreed, excellent post 🙂
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerIs there something wrong with that scan compared to the way it is in the actual comic? Cause I can't even see a plane much less the direction it's headed in.
It shows him being fast enough to compete and defeat a plane that is capable of going with speeds of 450 MPH.And this scan shows him flying towards a plane:
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30817243455.gif&s=x11Since it was Namor who hit the plane, we can assume that he went with faster speeds.
Originally posted by DisappearBecause them flying towards each other is different than the plane flying away from him. If the plane is flying at him it takes less speed to get to than a plane flying away. I can't make out a plane in the s can where he is twelvel, and in the others it's hard to tell what's going on exactly. in regards to direction as well. . .
manhattan's what, three miles wide? a straight line going three miles at 40 miles per hour would take four and a half minutes. 270 seconds. if it took him so much as twenty, that's still less than a tenth of the time it would take going at 40 mph, and more than ten times the speed of 40 mph. so he's at least flying somewhere in the hundreds of miles per hour.to bisect the wing of a plane, even a plane "slowing" to attack speeds (which, i'll say is a generous 200 miles per hour,) and tear a hole hardly wider than his own width implies that in the time it took to get his six-feet and two inches through the wing of the plane, the plane moved forward hardly an inch. being generous, again, we'll say the plane moved six inches forward at two hundred miles per hour in the time it took namor to move 74 inches. namor would be moving more than twelve times as quickly as the plane, thus moving at speeds greater than 2400 miles per hour.
both of those instances take simple math applied to scenes you claim have no "reference" speeds. planes need to be moving at several hundred miles per hour to stay aloft, and fighter jets in particular are known for their incredible speed. even when slowing down to paveway a target, they still pass over the target at speeds of (at least) two hundred miles per hour. the derivation of the latter mathematics was taken from the panels, and from known facts about aircraft. the first was simple conjecture. BOTH, however, showed him moving significantly faster than his handbook entry says he can.
why's it such a big deal to accept that he can move at such speeds? he can, and he's done it before. why go through all the trouble of attempting to discredit a scene because "there's no reference" for how quickly he's moving? who even cares if he can fly faster than storm? he's fast, and he's faster than the handbook says he is. can we end it there?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Because them flying towards each other is different than the plane flying away from him. If the plane is flying at him it takes less speed to get to than a plane flying away. I can't make out a plane in the s can where he is twelvel, and in the others it's hard to tell what's going on exactly. in regards to direction as well. . .
Believe me Cresh he used to regularly chase planes in the Invaders
Originally posted by CreshoskDo you happen to have any scans of multiple regular incidents where it implicitly or explicitly states or shows Storm's flight speed and provides external references to it, that would indicate her flight speed surpasses the most recent given handbook speed of a maximum of 300 mph - thus invalidating it - in the same way that the multitude of scans given by DC have shown the 40 mph figure from a very old handbook to be inaccurate.
Ah, do we have a scan of that?
Originally posted by xmarksthespotEven if I did I wouldn't be putting them here, I don't want this to be a "Storm versus Namor" thread(even though that is actually the point of this thread), I would like this to be used to determine Namor's speed.
Do you happen to have any scans of multiple regular incidents where it implicitly or explicitly states or shows Storm's flight speed and provides external references to it, that would indicate her flight speed surpasses the most recent given handbook speed of a maximum of 300 mph - thus invalidating it - in the same way that the multitude of scans given by DC have shown the 40 mph figure from a very old handbook to be inaccurate.
Though I like how you already set up a catch 22 with anything that shows a scan to have storm surpassing 300 mph is automatically invalidated. . .
Anyway as I said, I'm not arguing for Storm here. Before I even joined this forum I didn't even know that Namor could fly. Admittedly I don't know much about him and would like to learn more. And that's my stake in this thread. Personally from what I have seen it really doesn't matter too much, it's not like I've seen Sstorm be able to throw anything at him he couldn't take.
Originally posted by Mr _WhirlysplatWell I'm more or less hoping DC has the scans. . . But that's the sort of thing I'm talking about. Racing or chasing down something shows greater speed than flying into it when they are headed towards each other.
Of course not those comics are in my parents loft, about 75 miles away. I do not have enough storage for comics beyond the last few years.Doesn't stop it being a fact.
cannonball is said to be one of the fastest flyers in marvel, and storm kept up with him. in extreme they had a race, and it was said that cannonball was close to his max, and storm was just behind him while riding a jet-stream. if she can reach his max speeds with one jet-stream, then she would be faster due to the fact she is capable of riding multiple jet-streams for faster speed.
Originally posted by CreshoskYou misinterpretted my post - I meant that if scans shows her surpassing 300 mph on a regular basis this can invalidate the 300 mph figure... in the same way that the Namor scans have easily invalidated the 40 mph figure. Otherwise a double standard is being held if one maintains that Storm can surpass the handbook speed so it's inaccurate but Namor's handbook speed is accurate even though he surpasses it.
Even if I did I wouldn't be putting them here, I don't want this to be a "Storm versus Namor" thread(even though that is actually the point of this thread), I would like this to be used to determine Namor's speed.Though I like how you already set up a catch 22 with anything that shows a scan to have storm surpassing 300 mph is automatically invalidated. . .
Anyway as I said, I'm not arguing for Storm here. Before I even joined this forum I didn't even know that Namor could fly. Admittedly I don't know much about him and would like to learn more. And that's my stake in this thread. Personally from what I have seen it really doesn't matter too much, it's not like I've seen Sstorm be able to throw anything at him he couldn't take.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotWell since I never said that Storm could surpass 300 mph wouldn't that pretty much invalidate your point and post in the first place?
You misinterpretted my post - I meant that if scans shows her surpassing 300 mph on a regular basis this can invalidate the 300 mph figure... in the same way that the Namor scans have easily invalidated the 40 mph figure. Otherwise a double standard is being held if one maintains that Storm can surpass the handbook speed so it's inaccurate but Namor's handbook speed is accurate even though he surpasses it.
Originally posted by CreshoskThe point was not made to you in particular, it was in general towards those detractors of Namor's speed who incidentally are also supporters of Storm's speed. Don't be so narcissistic.
Well since I never said that Storm could surpass 300 mph wouldn't that pretty much invalidate your point and post in the first place?
Originally posted by stormfront13
cannonball is said to be one of the fastest flyers in marvel, and storm kept up with him. in extreme they had a race, and it was said that cannonball was close to his max, and storm was just behind him while riding a jet-stream. if she can reach his max speeds with one jet-stream, then she would be faster due to the fact she is capable of riding multiple jet-streams for faster speed.
Who says that Cannonball is one of the fastest flyers in Marvel?
the scan i'm referring to in the "namor v. plane" paragraph has namor moving perpendicular to the planes. the plane's speed relative to his own applies only in points of intersection, as he is neither chasing it, nor approaching it along its path of flight.
i really didn't feel like being a dick about this, but that scan clearly shows namor busting through both wings of the plane while the plane is, speaking relatively, not moving. there is a whizzing contrail behind namor, where there is none behind either plane in the frame. the white trail shows his path, and is unbroken between the two wings, both of which he plowed right through. if anything, my first post was being gentle about namor's speed, and the cited panel itself is telling a better story about it than i did myself.
namor's going incredibly fast to burst first through one wing of the plane, then through the other, while the plane moves relatively NO distance (though it's flying at several hundred miles per hour.) that image proves it, and as it agrees with numerous other scans DC's taken the effort to post, it's not "out of character" and doesn't fall under the "SvFL" category of neglected instances.
hate to break it to you, but namor's much faster than the handbooks suggest, and a lot of DC's scans have proven it.
