Namor can fly with way faster speeds then we thought!

Never said that and never meant that. Just that you need to ignore clear plot devices and over the top feats which were inherent to writing of that period. Stuff he pulled off once or twice in the 60's and has never again since. Regardless of what i said about the 60's none of the scans you've shown have showed him being as fast as Storm.

Once or twice?!

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http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/6113/namorfeat314gc.gif
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/7403/namorspeedfeats4wj.gif
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/3176/namorefeat513dy.gif
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30614041322.jpg&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30614074861.jpg&s=x11

More like every issue he is in...

And none of the scans you have showed (wait, you haven't) show that Storm is faster then Namor.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
By the way, where is it stated that scans from some year are not sufficient evidence in these forums? I would like to see it, so we could inform other members too.

Therefore, all the scans I have showed are canon, because Namor has done the feats more then once. Way more.

Going by that the scan which isnt valid is the one where he helps Captain Marvel take that weapon out into orbit because he's never been shown to be able to do that since. That was your only scan which showed him flying significantly faster than his bio stats and even then its debatable whether he wasnt aided by Captain Marvel.

The others can and have been explained away by myself and other posters and didnt show him as significantly beyond his bio stats so theyre irrelevant anyway.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Once or twice?!

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http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/6113/namorfeat314gc.gif
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/7403/namorspeedfeats4wj.gif
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/3176/namorefeat513dy.gif
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30614041322.jpg&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30614074861.jpg&s=x11

More like every issue he is in...

And none of the scans you have showed (wait, you haven't) show that Storm is faster then Namor.

What youre not getting is that im talking about ridiculous feats such as where he took that weapon into orbit. Focus on that. That was the only scan which showed him beyond the bio stats in terms of speed.

The other scans havent shown him to be significantly beyond the stats in terms of speed and so dont matter anyway. Those type of things i have no issue with you saying he can do them as they dont completely contradict his stats or recent appearances. Theyre irrelevant and theyve been dismissed by myself and other posters.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler

And none of the scans you have showed (wait, you haven't) show that Storm is faster then Namor.

Dont you understand that i dont have to come up with anything until you show Namor in multiple appearances being faster than 300 mph. You havent even shown him being significantly beyond his speed rating as you claim he is so what do i have to prove? 😂

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4434/namorfeat211qk.gif
Sunfire and Namor both said that Sunfire is faster. . . I'm not sure what you're trying to show in this battle situation, if it had been a race it might have been more understandable, but as in order to battle one has to match speed, I doubt either combatant was pushing themself to their fastest flying speed. As over shooting the opponent isn't very conductive to beating the other.

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/6113/namorfeat314gc.gifWhat does this one even show? 😕

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/7403/namorspeedfeats4wj.gifAn observer is not the best way to messure flight speed. . . There is also the usual superhero hype and hulk isn't exactly the best to use as far as super speed goes as both Wolverine and Spiderman can bounce around him fairly well. And that shows that their is a range of speed that even wolverine is in that can out manuever the hulk.

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/3176/namorefeat513dy.gifReaction speed, but not flight speed. had he been racing the missles to catch them you'd have a point. . . But catching something that's coming at you doesn't show much, as baseball player have superb reactions as well.

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30614041322.jpg&s=x11
Didn't we cover this one? If he had been going as fast as a polaris missle there is no way they could have reacted in time, they mistook him for a missle because he came out where there is normally missles coming out. He was also flying at them at the same time they were flying at him. That cuts down on the amount of time available before "impact" would have occured.

This is sort of like that one math problem, if train A leaves Station A traveling toward Station B at 60 mph and Train B leaves Station B toward station A at 30 mph and the stations are 120 miles apart, how when and where will the trains meet?

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30614074861.jpg&s=x11
The fact that the woman with hiram saw him, and was in that position at that moment actually detracts from the speed feat. If he could travel as fast as you are making it out wouldn't he be long past before she could say anything? If she saw him at all?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Dont you understand that i dont have to come up with anything until you show Namor in multiple appearances being faster than 300 mph. You havent even shown him being significantly beyond his speed rating as you claim he is so what do i have to prove? 😂

Sure.

He goes significantly faster then 40 MPH here:

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/7484/namorfeat92mc.gif

here:

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4434/namorfeat211qk.gif

here:

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/6113/namorfeat314gc.gif

here:

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/7403/namorspeedfeats4wj.gif

here:

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30614041322.jpg&s=x11

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30614074861.jpg&s=x11

here:

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here:

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30808525411.gif&s=x11

here:

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here he is catching Atlantean flying jet:

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http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30815520551.gif&s=x11

here:

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here:

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here:

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30816273776.gif&s=x11

here:

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and here.

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Originally posted by Creshosk
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4434/namorfeat211qk.gif
Sunfire and Namor both said that Sunfire is faster. . . I'm not sure what you're trying to show in this battle situation, if it had been a race it might have been more understandable, but as in order to battle one has to match speed, I doubt either combatant was pushing themself to their fastest flying speed. As over shooting the opponent isn't very conductive to beating the other.

It was really to show that he was able to fly faster then handbooks say. If he would have constantly moved with 40 MPH, would Sunfire be suprised all the time?

Originally posted by Creshosk
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/6113/namorfeat314gc.gifWhat does this one even show? 😕

Speedblitz.

Originally posted by Creshosk
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/7403/namorspeedfeats4wj.gifAn observer is not the best way to messure flight speed. . . There is also the usual superhero hype and hulk isn't exactly the best to use as far as super speed goes as both Wolverine and Spiderman can bounce around him fairly well. And that shows that their is a range of speed that even wolverine is in that can out manuever the hulk.

Would he had really said "He has the power---the speed to be invicible!" If he had gone with 40 MPH.

Originally posted by Creshosk
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/3176/namorefeat513dy.gifReaction speed, but not flight speed. had he been racing the missles to catch them you'd have a point. . . But catching something that's coming at you doesn't show much, as baseball player have superb reactions as well.

Well, yeah, but he did catch up with that plane.

Originally posted by Creshosk
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30614041322.jpg&s=x11
Didn't we cover this one? If he had been going as fast as a polaris missle there is no way they could have reacted in time, they mistook him for a missle because he came out where there is normally missles coming out. He was also flying at them at the same time they were flying at him. That cuts down on the amount of time available before "impact" would have occured.

This is sort of like that one math problem, if train A leaves Station A traveling toward Station B at 60 mph and Train B leaves Station B toward station A at 30 mph and the stations are 120 miles apart, how when and where will the trains meet?

Ok, you are right. I just copyed and pasted it. Still going more then 40 MPH, as you can see when he is leaving the place.

Originally posted by Creshosk
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30614074861.jpg&s=x11
The fact that the woman with hiram saw him, and was in that position at that moment actually detracts from the speed feat. If he could travel as fast as you are making it out wouldn't he be long past before she could say anything? If she saw him at all?

He arrived at coast of America in short time. He was in the middle of Atlantic Ocean when he left. (Old capital of Atlantis)

Namor can fly over 100mph with one ankle wing tied behind his back.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/7484/namorfeat92mc.gif
Faster than human reaction and the speed of someone aiming. . .

here:

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4434/namorfeat211qk.gif
Covered that

here:

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/6113/namorfeat314gc.gif
Still waiting for clearification.

here:

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/7403/namorspeedfeats4wj.gif
Covered that

here:

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And that

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30614074861.jpg&s=x11
and that

here:

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This one doesn't really show anything.

here:

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30808525411.gif&s=x11Nor this one.

here:

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30808554319.gif&s=x11
Nor that

here he is catching Atlantean flying jet:

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30815510937.gif&s=x11

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30815520551.gif&s=x11

After going back into the water. . . how fast does one of those jets fly?

here:

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30815550085.gif&s=x11 CIS on Spiderman's part as Namor pointed out. 😆

here:

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An atlantean missle. . . but from the first panel it was in it didn't appear to be flying straight very well. . .

But this is a better example that your other missle picture. . .

How fast do they fly?

here:

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30816273776.gif&s=x11 This also really doesn't show anything.

here:

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He caught and threw a missle. . doesn't really show flying speed.

and here.

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30816310732.gif&s=x11
This deoesn't really show anything.

Most of those scans he's just flying, there isn't really anything to show his speed in those. . .just him moving around with no time frame. . . You can probably do that for any character, but that doesn't mean that they move that fast. . . Heck I got a pretty good one of Jubilee moving around, but she doesn't have superhuman speed. . .

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
It was really to show that he was able to fly faster then handbooks say. If he would have constantly moved with 40 MPH, would Sunfire be suprised all the time?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Speedblitz.[/]b

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
[B]Would he had really said "He has the power---the speed to be invicible!" If he had gone with 40 MPH.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Well, yeah, but he did catch up with that plane.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Ok, you are right. I just copyed and pasted it. Still going more then 40 MPH, as you can see when he is leaving the place.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He arrived at coast of America in short time. He was in the middle of Atlantic Ocean when he left. (Old capital of Atlantis)

In the old seventies Invaders series he caught up with and had dogfights with multiple axis fighter aeroplanes. 🙂 his fast

Thank you Cresh. I was just in the middle of replying and i refreshed and saw you got the situation handled.

DC your scans really arent good enough. Most of them are completely useless i.e the ones which just show Namor flying with no point to reference his speed, a lot have been dismissed previously, a few are battle situations and are more about reaction times. Your best direction is to get some stats on those Atlanetan jets the same models shown in the scans.

Either way you havent shown he's significantly greater than his stats and nothing here says hes anywhere near as fast as Storm. He even says that Sunfire is faster and Sunfire flies at 150 mph LOL.

Originally posted by Creshosk
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/7484/namorfeat92mc.gif
Faster than human reaction and the speed of someone aiming. . .

Dodging them.

Originally posted by Creshosk
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4434/namorfeat211qk.gif
Covered that

Flying faster then 40 MPH.

Originally posted by Creshosk
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/6113/namorfeat314gc.gif
Still waiting for clearification.

Speedblitz.

Originally posted by Creshosk

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/7403/namorspeedfeats4wj.gif
Covered that

Originally posted by Creshosk
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30614041322.jpg&s=x11
And that

Same

Originally posted by Creshosk

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30614074861.jpg&s=x11
and that

same

Originally posted by Creshosk

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30808522776.gif&s=x11
This one doesn't really show anything.

Originally posted by Creshosk

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30808525411.gif&s=x11Nor this one.

Flying fast upwards.

Originally posted by Creshosk

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30808554319.gif&s=x11
Nor that

Same.

Originally posted by Creshosk

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30815510937.gif&s=x11

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30815520551.gif&s=x11

After going back into the water. . . how fast does one of those jets fly?

That's him flying with full vitality. It's valid even though he goes into water.

Atlantean tech is superior to human one, so I suppose it's going very fast.

Originally posted by Creshosk

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30815550085.gif&s=x11 CIS on Spiderman's part as Namor pointed out. 😆

But he still speedblitzed Spider-Man.

Originally posted by Creshosk

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30816230680.gif&s=x11
An atlantean missle. . . but from the first panel it was in it didn't appear to be flying straight very well. . .

But this is a better example that your other missle picture. . .

How fast do they fly?

As fast as other submarine-launched missiles I presume.

Originally posted by Creshosk

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30816273776.gif&s=x11 This also really doesn't show anything.

He is clearly flying faster hen 40 MPH in that picture.

Originally posted by Creshosk

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30816295735.gif&s=x11
He caught and threw a missle. . doesn't really show flying speed.

Does show that the jet is moving like slow motion to him...also check the two last panels. That's where he sets to Antartica.

Originally posted by Creshosk

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30816310732.gif&s=x11
This deoesn't really show anything.

He flew there from USA, and it didn't took long.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Most of those scans he's just flying, there isn't really anything to show his speed in those. . .just him moving around with no time frame. . . You can probably do that for any character, but that doesn't mean that they move that fast. . . Heck I got a pretty good one of Jubilee moving around, but she doesn't have superhuman speed. . .

Kind of hard, since comics don't calculate the speeds all the time. There is the scan where he is mistaken as plane, though...

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30803570831.gif&s=x11

Originally posted by Mr _Whirlysplat
In the old seventies Invaders series he caught up with and had dogfights with multiple axis fighter aeroplanes. 🙂 his fast

Cool. Show some scans and we'll take that on board.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thank you Cresh. I was just in the middle of replying and i refreshed and saw you got the situation handled.

DC your scans really arent good enough. Most of them are completely useless i.e the ones which just show Namor flying with no point to reference his speed, a lot have been dismissed previously, a few are battle situations and are more about reaction times. Your best direction is to get some stats on those Atlanetan jets the same models shown in the scans.

Either way you havent shown he's significantly greater than his stats and nothing here says hes anywhere near as fast as Storm. He even says that Sunfire is faster and Sunfire flies at 150 mph LOL.

The stats for the jets are not shown there. I still assume they are as fast or faster then human jets of that time, because of Atlanteans better technology.

Show a pic where Storm is flying significantly faster then Namor. I will accept it then.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Cool. Show some scans and we'll take that on board.

Anyone who knows comics knows its true🙂

What scans like yours that show nothing and mess up the page 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Cool. Show some scans and we'll take that on board.

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30817243455.gif&s=x11

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30817250877.gif&s=x11

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Originally posted by Mr _Whirlysplat
Anyone who knows comics knows its true🙂

What scans like yours that show nothing and mess up the page 🙂

Theyre sufficient to all but the fallacious.🙂 I think the poll in the last phoenix thread shows that. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Theyre sufficient to all but the fallacious.🙂 I think the poll in the last phoenix thread shows that. 🙂

not really it shows very little its very close and the sample group is very small. Galactus was winning for days now his not 😕 but thats your level of statistics understanding I guess.

You really have not read many comics have you 🙂

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