Who in Marvel can beat Wonder Woman one on one no outside help from anyone...

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I'm sorry. How strong is Namor? I know he's higher than class 85, but exactly how strong is he?

Well in Marvel terms, Namor would be considerd mid 100cl. DC puts their characters in the 1,000's of ton marks. If she were in Marvel, shed be mid 100cl as well imo along with Hercules and Namor.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Namor can give the Banner-Hulk a run for his money, or even beat him. Thing is, not even Savage Hulk can give Wonder Woman a run for her's.

Namor already gave Savage Hulk a run for his money. Twice. Took his money at that.

Namor's greatest feats of strength number in 10's and on occasion 100's of thousands of tons. Impressive. But imo not quite enough. And jrod I think you took that comment about Wonder Woman being cl10,000 from I can't remember who a little too seriously.

Originally posted by Creshosk
🤨 So you think Ms Marvel can beat Wonder Woman?

I mean thor and hulk I have doubts about. . . but the main premise is that Ms Marvel doesn't stand a chance against WW. . .

Edit:After reading CC's post above Hulk is out, period.

People so often underestimate Wonder Woman because of the simple fact that she's female. In fact, I once did. She's strong enough to go against Superman, head to head, she's fast as hell, she's a better all around fighter than 90% of all superhero's (including IMO Thor,) she's got force field projecting bracelets that make up for what she lacks in durability, and a lasso that virtually gives her an instant win.

I underestimated Wondie. After reading some of her comics, I stopped.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Well in Marvel terms, Namor would be considerd mid 100cl. DC puts their characters in the 1,000's of ton marks. If she were in Marvel, shed be mid 100cl as well imo along with Hercules and Namor.

Namor already gave Savage Hulk a run for his money. Twice. Took his money at that.

Point is, she's not in Marvel. There are people in Marvel that can lift just as much as Wondie, and more. Namor's shortcomings do not affect Wonder Woman's strength. Hercules can lift FAR more than 100 tons. As immortal Herc, he's as strong as Superman.

Namor never beat Savage Hulk. I own both of the issues that he defeated Hulk in. Neither were Savage Hulk. First, when Hulk was controlled by Puppet Master, he was Banner Hulk.

That was back when Banner used a machine to turn into the Hulk. He becomes Savage Hulk much later.

Originally posted by Draco69
Poor Tony Stark made a spite thread due to the WW vs. Thing/Namor thread.

How lame. And kinda funny too.

And the Iron Man thing Too. I mean seriously it is Iron Man There are so many characters that can beat him with ease.

Originally posted by Fanboy
And the Iron Man thing Too. I mean seriously it is Iron Man There are so many characters that can beat him with ease.

That depends on which armor he uses. 😉

Normal armor IM is still a force to be reckoned with.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
. Hercules can lift FAR more than 100 tons. As immortal Herc, he's as strong as Superman.

Yea i agree Hercules is not a mid class 100 he is a very very very high Class 100 currently and in his immortal form i think he's actually a little bit stronger than Superman.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
It's not a spite thread idiot...

RIGHT after, your humilating defeat at the other thread? Pretty suspicious....

Originally posted by Tony Stark
There are many out there that follow WW much more than I do so i'm trying to get some better perspective on her in comparison to the Marvel Universe world in the eyes of people that may have that better perspective. You might want to try that sometime. Not pretending that you all... Because you truly don't...

Well why didn't you ask for a power gauge of WW? Jesus, you've been here long enough to know I'm pretty much the only WW fanboy here.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
So far it looks like you need power cosmic or close to beat her one on one... Which i'm still not sure about.

Power cosmic can certainly beat her. But there are others below power cosmic who can certainly beat her as well. Like Sersi. It's just this irritating syndrome that people have to pair up every DC character with a Marvel cosmic foe....

Originally posted by Tony Stark
The THING rocks you don't...

"Is Made of". Grammar. No, I thankfully admit I'm not made of sandstone.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Point is, she's not in Marvel. There are people in Marvel that can lift just as much as Wondie, and more. Namor's shortcomings do not affect Wonder Woman's strength. Hercules can lift FAR more than 100 tons. As immortal Herc, he's as strong as Superman.

What hero in Marvel has lifted as much as Wonder Woman besides Thor(serpent) or Hercules (towing island)? You say hercules can life FAR more than 100 tons. Well so can Namor. Yet they are only put in the 100cl. Immortal Herc is as strong as Superman how and when? Can you prove that? Ive never seen or herd of Herc moving planets besides the myths.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Namor never beat Savage Hulk. I own both of the issues that he defeated Hulk in. Neither were Savage Hulk. First, when Hulk was controlled by Puppet Master, he was Banner Hulk.

First time Banner Hulk, but what about in Hulk #118? How was that not Savage Hulk? Can you prove otherwise?

Originally posted by jrodslam
Immortal Herc is as strong as Superman how and when? Can you prove that? Ive never seen or herd of Herc moving planets besides the myths.

Go to the respect Hercules thread.

Wow. Cosmic Cube. I'm very impressed. I remember when you didn't know much about DC, but know you're solid at both universes.

AND you taught me alot too. Especially about the Eternals and Hulk.

Originally posted by jrodslam
What hero in Marvel has lifted as much as Wonder Woman besides Thor(serpent) or Hercules (towing island)? You say hercules can life FAR more than 100 tons. Well so can Namor. Yet they are only put in the 100cl. Immortal Herc is as strong as Superman how and when? Can you prove that? Ive never seen or herd of Herc moving planets besides the myths.

First time Banner Hulk, but what about in Hulk #118? How was that not Savage Hulk? Can you prove otherwise?

Ok, there aren't MANY people in Marvel that can lift more than Wonder Woman, but here are a few that can. Savage Hulk, Thor, Immortal Herc... like I said, not many.

Class 100 simply means that you can lift MORE than 100 tons. Anything between 100 tons and infinity is class 100. Wonder Woman is class 100. So is Superman.

Thor and Hercules moved the Earth from it's orbit by accident when fighting. It took Superman, Wonder Woman, and Martian Manhunter to move the Earth, and they were having a hard tiime doing that. I'd say immortal Herc is at least as strong as Supes.

Hulk #118? I don't have that one. What happened?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
People so often underestimate Wonder Woman because of the simple fact that she's female. In fact, I once did. She's strong enough to go against Superman, head to head, she's fast as hell, she's a better all around fighter than 90% of all superhero's (including IMO Thor,) she's got force field projecting bracelets that make up for what she lacks in durability, and a lasso that virtually gives her an instant win.

I underestimated Wondie. After reading some of her comics, I stopped.

Now I know Superman beat Thor. That's why thor is in doubt.

My mode of thinking has:
Superman> Thor
Superman> Wonderwoman
Superman>Wonder Woman ? Thor<Superman

Same with Hulk, obviously now though

Superman>Wonder Woman>Hulk

thanx for backin me up here CC wit Immortal Herc at least being as strong as Supes.

Originally posted by jrodslam
What hero in Marvel has lifted as much as Wonder Woman besides Thor(serpent) or Hercules (towing island)? You say hercules can life FAR more than 100 tons. Well so can Namor. Yet they are only put in the 100cl. Immortal Herc is as strong as Superman how and when? Can you prove that? Ive never seen or herd of Herc moving planets besides the myths.

First time Banner Hulk, but what about in Hulk #118? How was that not Savage Hulk? Can you prove otherwise?

One thing that irritates me on this board is when people assume that class 100 means that individual can only lift 100 tons.

THIS IS NOT ACCURATE.

Class 100 means having the ability to military press a weight in the range from 100 tons to INFINITY. Hulk, Namor, Thor, (ultimate) Colossus, Juggernaut, the Surfer, etc ALL have feats WAY, WAY over 100 tons.

There is no such thing as "Class 1000" or "Class 10,000". If you can lift 101 tons, congratulations! you're class 100! If you can throw planets like wiffle balls CONGRATULATIONS! you're STILL Class 100.

If superman was a marvel character, he'd be class 100. If wonderwoman was a marvel character, SHE'D be class 100.
etc and so on.

Don't use "such and such is only class 100" as a means to debate who is stronger in marvel vs. DC, go by feats.
/end rant.

*edit* cosmic cube beat me to it, but bah. sorry for being redundant.

Originally posted by Draco69
Wow. Cosmic Cube. I'm very impressed. I remember when you didn't know much about DC, but know you're solid at both universes.

AND you taught me alot too. Especially about the Eternals and Hulk.

Thank you. I never realized how great of a character Wonder Woman is. You helped me to understand that.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Well, I was putting her up around Superman, not sure who's better, but I have Superman a little bit above her, not because of the MAN part but because of the SUPER part. . .

Now I know Superman beat Thor. That's why thor is in doubt.

My mode of thinking has:
Superman> Thor
Superman> Wonderwoman
Superman>Wonder Woman ? Thor<Superman

Same with Hulk, obviously now though

Superman>Wonder Woman>Hulk

Superman beat Thor in a crossover, true, and I don't doubt that Superman could beat Thor. However, on paper, Thor a greater chance of victory than Supes. Most of Thor and Superman's writers would agree.

Thor has a limitless source of magical energy, while Superman is vulnerable to magic. Superman is certainly faster, and more durable. They are about even, strength-wise.

I could see Superman winning by getting Mjolnir away from Thor and beating him physically (which still isn't a definite win, because of Thor's fighting ability,) but otherwise, Thor would overcome Superman by using magic. Simply put, Mjolnir is more powerful than Thor or Superman.

In fact, in they're next crossover fight... well, I won't spoil it. 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Superman beat Thor in a crossover, true, and I don't doubt that Superman could beat Thor. However, on paper, Thor a greater chance of victory than Supes. Most of Thor and Superman's writers would agree.

Thor has a limitless source of magical energy, while Superman is vulnerable to magic. Superman is certainly faster, and more durable. They are about even, strength-wise.

I could see Superman winning by getting Mjolnir away from Thor and beating him physically (which still isn't a definite win, because of Thor's fighting ability,) but otherwise, Thor would overcome Superman by using magic. Simply put, Mjolnir is more powerful than Thor or Superman.

In fact, in they're next crossover fight... well, I won't spoil it. 😖hifty:

Though its true this was a one time fight, and rematches might go either way until a pattern is established. . . Hmm . . .

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Class 100 simply means that you can lift MORE than 100 tons. Anything between 100 tons and infinity is class 100. Wonder Woman is class 100. So is Superman.

I dont doubt that.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Thor and Hercules moved the Earth from it's orbit by accident when fighting.

When was that? Are you reffering to this? They generated enought pressure to move the Earth from orbit. They didnt do it however.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Hulk #118? I don't have that one. What happened?

Namor and Hulk both colided head on in an underwater collision. Both were sent back flying, however Hulk was ko'd and reverted back to Banner.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Namor and Hulk both colided head on in an underwater collision. Both were sent back flying, however Hulk was ko'd and reverted back to Banner.