Who in Marvel can beat Wonder Woman one on one no outside help from anyone...

At any rate, Thor wouldn't have the same advantage against Wonder Woman that he would have fighting Superman. Overall, she's a better warrior, she's not vulnerable to magic, in fact, she can deflect his magical attacks, and she's got her lasso, which would own Thor, if he's not careful.

Savage Hulk is way too one-dimensional, and while he's physically the strongest, he lacks the versatility that the others possess.

So, because of Mjolnir, (and Superman's vulnerability,) Thor > Superman, but Thor = Wonder Woman. Superman > Wonder Woman because of his strength and speed advantages. Finally, Superman, Thor, and Wonder Woman > Savage Hulk, because of his lack of versatility. 'Hulk smash...' and that's it.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I dont doubt that.

When was that? Are you reffering to this? They generated enought pressure to move the Earth from orbit. They didnt do it however.

Namor and Hulk both colided head on in an underwater collision. Both were sent back flying, however Hulk was ko'd and reverted back to Banner.

Where does it say that they didn't move the planet? Regardless it shows that they both have enough strength to move the planet.

Besides, I've seen a scan of Hercules supporting the Earth for Atlas while performing his labors as well.

That was the one where Namor trapped Hulk in a whirlpool and Hulk washed up on shore as Banner?

Originally posted by Space M ummy
One thing that irritates me on this board is when people assume that class 100 means that individual can only lift 100 tons.

THIS IS NOT ACCURATE.

Class 100 means having the ability to military press a weight in the range from 100 tons to INFINITY. Hulk, Namor, Thor, (ultimate) Colossus, Juggernaut, the Surfer, etc ALL have feats WAY, WAY over 100 tons.

There is no such thing as "Class 1000" or "Class 10,000". If you can lift 101 tons, congratulations! you're class 100! If you can throw planets like wiffle balls CONGRATULATIONS! you're STILL Class 100.

If superman was a marvel character, he'd be class 100. If wonderwoman was a marvel character, SHE'D be class 100.
etc and so on.

Don't use "such and such is only class 100" as a means to debate who is stronger in marvel vs. DC, go by feats.
/end rant.

*edit* cosmic cube beat me to it, but bah. sorry for being redundant.

Well first off, i already know that if a charater can lift 100tons or more they are coinsidered 100cl. I brought up 10,000 ton cl because people on this forum tend to say that DC characters are in the 1,000's of ton cl because DC has greater strength feats and operate on different levels.

You say go by the feats which is true to an extant. However, a character like Namor has been said to be in the same league as the likes of Hulk and Thor when it comes to strength. Many people may not agree with that bvecause he doesnt have the lifting Earth, or billions of tons feat under his belt. I say that for the simple fact that hes not a premiere character like the others. Captain Marvel has been said to be equal to Superman in terms of strength, yet he doesnt have the feats to bak it up either. Only a couple of armwrestling matches? So because hes dead even in armwrestling, hes equal to Superman in strength withoutthe feats to back it up. Yet its accepted. Thats cool with me, but Namor has matched up with Hulk, Hercules, and Thor yet hes hardly ever mentiond because hes not a top tier guy.

I guess we all have our opinions and going by feats I guess Wonder Woman would be WAAY stronger because shes lifted/moved planet/weight objects. I dont think Juggernaut, Captain Marvel, or Namor has and yet they are hardly ever mentioned.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Where does it say that they didn't move the planet? Regardless it shows that they both have enough strength to move the planet.

It said that they were generating enough pressure to knock to planet. Where did it say that they DID knock the planet out of orbit?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
That was the one where Namor trapped Hulk in a whirlpool and Hulk washed up on shore as Banner?

No that Hulk Vol2.#118. The one youre thinking of is probably Avengers #3.

Gladiator will crush her.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Well first off, i already know that if a charater can lift 100tons or more they are coinsidered 100cl. I brought up 10,000 ton cl because people on this forum tend to say that DC characters are in the 1,000's of ton cl because DC has greater strength feats and operate on different levels.

You say go by the feats which is true to an extant. However, a character like Namor has been said to be in the same league as the likes of Hulk and Thor when it comes to strength. Many people may not agree with that bvecause he doesnt have the lifting Earth, or billions of tons feat under his belt. I say that for the simple fact that hes not a premiere character like the others. Captain Marvel has been said to be equal to Superman in terms of strength, yet he doesnt have the feats to bak it up either. Only a couple of armwrestling matches? So because hes dead even in armwrestling, hes equal to Superman in strength withoutthe feats to back it up. Yet its accepted. Thats cool with me, but Namor has matched up with Hulk, Hercules, and Thor yet hes hardly ever mentiond because hes not a top tier guy.

I guess we all have our opinions and going by feats I guess Wonder Woman would be WAAY stronger because shes lifted/moved planet/weight objects. I dont think Juggernaut, Captain Marvel, or Namor has and yet they are hardly ever mentioned.

I don't know where to place Namor in terms of strength. He's strong enough to go against billion ton lifters, so he clearly isn't in the thousand ton range, but he doesn't have many feats to back it up. Same for the Thing, who has gone up against Savage Hulk. Even while calm, Savage Hulk is strong enough to move multi-billion megaton tectonic plates. He would have to be class 100 to even survive a punch. I have a hard time believing he's only class 85. Marvel really needs to get their story straight.

I won't say that he's WAY weaker than Wonder Woman, but he is clearly weaker, and outclassed in every other category.

What if WW tried to battle Namor in the Ocean? Would he fare a better chance?

rogue,storm,pyslock

Originally posted by feline
rogue,storm,pyslock

Hell,f*cking,no

Eh. I'm laughing at the thought of WW turning his own goddamn fish against him. 😆

Originally posted by jrodslam
It said that they were generating enough pressure to knock to planet. Where did it say that they DID knock the planet out of orbit?

No that Hulk Vol2.#118. The one youre thinking of is probably Avengers #3.

How else would the observer know how much pressure they generated? Even if they didn't move the planet, the scan shows that they have the power to do so.

I'll have to look it up. Savage Hulk isn't undefeatable. I just don't recall him losing to Namor.

Originally posted by feline
rogue,storm,pyslock

Binary

Speedball (no, really)

Speedball? Does he have a feat of deflecting attacks of Wonder Woman's strength with his kinetic control?

I doubt it would effect the lasso though. It's funky in magic like that.

But Speedball is a rather dangerous opponent.

Speedball will nullify her strength. He was the one who took down an uber powered Sphinx. If he was caught in the lasso, he would be immobolized. That's it. I don't see how WW could hurt him after that though.

Speedball is a concentrated mass of kinetic energy. hitting him is pretty much worthless.

as for the lasso, it would never get near him: he could block it with the bubbles.

Speedball has also been shown to bea able to hit FAR harder than Namorita and Rage (he annihilated a machine built to test their max power range with zero effort) who are in the class 60-80 range.

I think he can also drain kinetic energy but I'm not 100% sure, its been a while since I read any new warriors.

Ah. But if he's immoblized, he's under her control, and than she can break his neck ala Max Lord. Or drown him. Or simply cover his mouth until he suffocates. Or strangle him.

And than Superman will preach harder than Jesse Jackson during Easter.

And Batman will tilt his nose even higher because he's perfect and he can do no wrong. What? OMAC Satillite? Batman does not know of such a device. 🙄

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Speedball is a concentrated mass of kinetic energy. hitting him is pretty much worthless.

as for the lasso, it would never get near him: he could block it with the bubbles.

Speedball has also been shown to bea able to hit FAR harder than Namorita and Rage (he annihilated a machine built to test their max power range with zero effort) who are in the class 60-80 range.

I think he can also drain kinetic energy but I'm not 100% sure, its been a while since I read any new warriors.

Very true.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Speedball is a concentrated mass of kinetic energy. hitting him is pretty much worthless.

as for the lasso, it would never get near him: he could block it with the bubbles.

Speedball has also been shown to bea able to hit FAR harder than Namorita and Rage (he annihilated a machine built to test their max power range with zero effort) who are in the class 60-80 range.

I think he can also drain kinetic energy but I'm not 100% sure, its been a while since I read any new warriors.

Ah. But the lasso doesn't apply to the laws of physics. It does impossible things that simply aren't possible in the physical world. Cause it's magic.

And unless I see Speedball hit harder than the likes of Namor and Hercules, I doubt he can do much to hurt her.