Originally posted by GCGi thought life and heartbeats go hand in hand 😖
I am talking about life not heartbeats. Conception is the path to life. Once you halt the process of division you wont get a heart.
Originally posted by Lanaexactly
But you're not ending the life -- you're preventing it from beginning.
and...the point Im making to is...back to the thread topic as there is already an abortion thread....its my right as a mom who is trying to protect her daughter. I should be notified if she is going in for an abortion which is medical procedure...hell, I would even pay to have it done considering all options and I thought it best....but as a minor Im responsible for...I should have some part in this.
Originally posted by GCG
What is it really about your ideology on abortion ?You want to make it look right to cease the development of life for what reasons ?
What are you talking about? What do you mean why do I want to make abortion look right? It's not a matter of right and wrong, your inability to grasp this is the problem. You're too busy running around claiming "OH LIFE! LIFE!" without actually realising that the purpose of abortion is to make sure that a woman isn't forced into having a bad life by having an unwanted child and to make sure that the unwanted child isn't done the injustice of being brought into a world where it isn't wanted.
There will always be idiots who misuse abortion just like there are idiots who misuse drugs, alcohol, music, art...etc. What are we gonna do? Ban everything? If a woman wants to have an abortion, what you believe does not enter into it. If you disagree with her reasons for having it, fine. That doesn't mean she doesn't have the right to choose does it? No.
You personally choose to hold the belief that life begins at conception, therefore you believe that abortion is wrong. Life does not begin at conception, that is a fact. You are wrong, so therefore your views on abortion which you gained via your blinkered view, are also wrong.
More specifically on topic: There will always be mothers who have a view alike to GCG and therefore force their kids to needlessly have the children. This could be avoided if they aren't informed. Right? As long as parents are aware that it's about what's best for the person you are responsible for and not using this power to enforce your own beliefs, then yeah, inform.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What are you talking about? What do you mean why do I want to make abortion look right? It's not a matter of right and wrong, your inability to grasp this is the problem. You're too busy running around claiming "OH LIFE! LIFE!" without actually realising that the purpose of abortion is to make sure that a woman isn't forced into having a bad life by having an unwanted child and to make sure that the unwanted child isn't done the injustice of being brought into a world where it isn't wanted.There will always be idiots who misuse abortion just like there are idiots who misuse drugs, alcohol, music, art...etc. What are we gonna do? Ban everything? If a woman wants to have an abortion, what you believe does not enter into it. If you disagree with her reasons for having it, fine. That doesn't mean she doesn't have the right to choose does it? No.
You personally choose to hold the belief that life begins at conception, therefore you believe that abortion is wrong. Life does not begin at conception, that is a fact. You are wrong, so therefore your views on abortion which you gained via your blinkered view, are also wrong.
More specifically on topic: There will always be mothers who have a view alike to GCG and therefore force their kids to needlessly have the children. This could be avoided if they aren't informed. Right? As long as parents are aware that it's about what's best for the person you are responsible for and not using this power to enforce your own beliefs, then yeah, inform.
-AC
WHAT THE **** are you trying to push on me ?
I am talking about careless people who first want sex and then dont take precautions to avoid pregnancy. They then want to avoid responsability with abortion.
The only way you may make it look right is if you bring RAPE into the situation ; and in that case you would have a leg to stand on siince you didnt grasp what i am aiming at.
If you forgot to put on a condom, its your fault.
If you forgot to take the pill, its your fault.
In the case of rape its not your fault.
Originally posted by GCG
WHAT THE **** are you trying to push on me ?I am talking about careless people who first want sex and then dont take precautions to avoid pregnancy. They then want to avoid responsability with abortion.
Read this part of my post, Albert:
"There will always be idiots who misuse abortion just like there are idiots who misuse drugs, alcohol, music, art...etc. What are we gonna do? Ban everything? If a woman wants to have an abortion, what you believe does not enter into it. If you disagree with her reasons for having it, fine. That doesn't mean she doesn't have the right to choose does it? No."
Moving on.
Originally posted by GCG
The only way you may make it look right is if you bring RAPE into the situation ; and in that case you would have a leg to stand on siince you didnt grasp what i am aiming at.
Whatever you were aiming at, clearly didn't hit the mark.
You are saying life begins at conception. You're wrong. End of story. Abortion is the woman's choice. Whether you or I agree with why she does it, it's none of our business. You are against abortion because you believe life/conception, which is false.
Originally posted by GCG
If you forgot to put on a condom, its your fault.If you forgot to take the pill, its your fault.
Again:
"There will always be idiots who misuse abortion just like there are idiots who misuse drugs, alcohol, music, art...etc. What are we gonna do? Ban everything? If a woman wants to have an abortion, what you believe does not enter into it. If you disagree with her reasons for having it, fine. That doesn't mean she doesn't have the right to choose does it? No."
Third time is a charm, so they say. Don't make me repeat that again.
Originally posted by GCG
In the case of rape its not your fault.
Maybe she was wearing a short-skirt and exposing cleavage, it'd be her fault then wouldn't it? No. Why? Because why should she stop living the life she enjoys, how she enjoys it, because of assholes? She shouldn't. Just like a woman should be allowed an abortion if she chooses to. Don't stop her having one just because idiots misuse it. Even those idiots have a right to do what they want with their bodies.
Try understanding all I've said before you reply. Because I have a feeling you're one of those brick wall types.
-AC
Originally posted by GCG
AC, If you have a problem with me or what i am saying take it to PMs. I read what you posted and whole-heartedly disagree. Now if you dont accept it, fine with me.You have a right to disagree. Dont try impose your 'flexibilty' upon me.
What is it with this place? Seriously?
I'm debating with you. Don't try to debate back and then accuse me of attacking you when you can't reply. That's not cool, stop it. I'm not imposing anything on you, you're just stuck. But seeing as you won't admit it, I'll lay out my debate civilly and clearly for you.
You disagree, ok so why? You believe life is born at conception, correct? This is factually wrong. Moving on...
Your problem with abortion then, must be that people abuse that choice, right? Yes. You said so. To which I said, twice:
"There will always be idiots who misuse abortion just like there are idiots who misuse drugs, alcohol, music, art...etc. What are we gonna do? Ban everything? If a woman wants to have an abortion, what you believe does not enter into it. If you disagree with her reasons for having it, fine. That doesn't mean she doesn't have the right to choose does it? No."
So to reiterate, there will always be people who misuse privileges and rights. Does that mean we ban those things for all, even those who use them responsibly? Mistakes happen, rapes happen, unplanned pregnancy happens, it's not all down to being careless. IS there carelessness? Yes. Will there always be? Yes. These are not grounds for you to say abortion is wrong.
So why do you hold this stance?
-AC
You keep saying that i am wrong. Look here smart ass ; you find me some text-book stuff that says that i am wrong. The only thing you keep saying is that I am wrong. You are obviously suffering from Clue Deficit Disorder.
Can you tell what abortion means ? It means STOP.
To which you ask "Stop What" ?
*pats ac on the head*
And Teacher says to little AC "We Stop the life of a baby"
Now how crystal can that be ?
Originally posted by GCG
You keep saying that i am wrong. Look here smart ass ; you find me some text-book stuff that says that i am wrong. The only thing you keep saying is that I am wrong. You are obviously suffering from Clue Deficit Disorder.
Your claim: Life begins at conception.
You're claiming that as soon as life is an idea, it is real and justifiable. That is what you are claiming. You don't believe you are wrong? If I THINK of a foetus, it's not real is it? It's not alive. It's a concept.
If you mean life begins when the baby is conceived in womb, then you're also wrong. Anyone who went to school can tell you this. It's not my job to provide that proof, it's your school. They did a bad job evidently. There is a difference between a LIVING organism and having a LIFE/Quality of life.
Guess which one the foetus is?! A tree is alive. It doesn't have a life. A foetus may be ALIVE, it doesn't have a LIFE. It WOULD be, as you yourself stated, on the path to life. Which means, if it doesn't get there, it's not a life. Therefore, your love of life, your value of life, is inconsequential. There's no "life" involved. Do you see? Good. Let's continue...
Originally posted by GCG
Can you tell what abortion means ? It means STOP.
It actually means to end before completion. Hence the common phrase "Abort mission." Which I suggest you do.
Originally posted by GCG
To which you ask "Stop What" ?And Teacher says to little AC "We Stop the life of a baby"
*pats ac on the head*
Now how crystal can that be ?
What life of what baby? The baby doesn't exist. For the baby to exist, the path to life (your words) has to be complete. The life isn't attained, hence why it's on the path TO.
To wrap this up, I'm gonna ask the question you keep dodging:
We've established that life doesn't begin at conception, your denial of it not included, this is fact. So, my question that I would like answered is this:
You dislike people who misuse abortion, cool. Fine. I'm not too fond of it either, just because it's lazy. However, why do you believe ALL women should have the choices taken away from what THEY do with THEIR bodies just because of:
A) Something you wrongly believe.
B) Some idiot misusing it.
Hmm?
Would you ban me from driving because a random man knocked you down?
Anything else?
-AC
Originally posted by GCG
Life begins at Conception. Genes Dammit ! Genes ! Once you Halt the development you stop it from growing hence you stop it from living.What is it about the natural chain of events that you cannot grasp ?
Life doesn't begin at conception, it doesn't. Stop it. Life does not begin at conception.
What I believe you are trying to say is, once the foetus is conceived, it is alive, correct? Fine.
A tree is alive also.
Your whole argument is that it's robbing a baby (non-existant at this point) of a life. You are confusing ALIVE with having a life.
A foetus is alive, it does not have a life. I have a life, you have a life. Every BORN human has a life. A foetus is not a born human, it's a bunch of living cells.
It is NOT robbing anything of a life. It's stopping the life from ever existing to preserve a human WITH a life already here. But as I said before, you're too busy child worshipping to notice that if you were actually pro-life, this is the stance you'd take. The preservation of lives in progress, not the deterioration of lives in favour of bringing another one in.
So my question AGAIN:
Why do you believe women should not be allowed to use abortions however they choose? It's none of your business. Why should something be banned because of idiots misusing it?
^^^ Answer this.
-AC
Just a quick piece for you AC there are 3 key periods in pregnancy.....
1st Trimester which you talk about frequently its not a fetus its an embryo till about week 12
2nd Trimester is now a fetus...weeks 13-27 now you can see it is human
but cannot live on its own
3rd Trimester still a fetus but from weeks 28 to delivery it can survive with medical attention....
anyway just a heads up for your bio there
I am not talking about being alive but about life. And I dont intend to subscribe to that. A wide spectrum of people consider it justifyable to dismiss zygotes, foetuses and any phase that YOU and ME have gone through to come into this world. I do not intent debating, as you want me to, to argue what other people want to do. Its inside them, so they do wtf they want.
My point is:
LIFE begins at Conception. Get that into your hard head. Ever heard of water being life ? Its a drop of water that doesnt have a life but IT IS LIFE. In fact that is how life on earth began in the first place.
You feel you have to touch to believe. Your views are purely materialistic. The Life is passed onto to you by your parents ; Your mother and your father gave you life when they had sex ( I hope you get a visual!)
Life gets handed over from generation to generation. If you break the link, you automatically abort life developing.
23 Chromosomes on their own dont make life. But 23 from a sperm cell and 23 from a ovary together combined and fertilised ARE THE BEGINNING of an individual.
Abortion is ultimatly the termination of an individual.
Now we can continue debating saying the same things cause you are no less of a brick wall as I am.
Originally posted by soleran30
Just a quick piece for you AC there are 3 key periods in pregnancy.....1st Trimester which you talk about frequently its not a fetus its an embryo till about week 12
2nd Trimester is now a fetus...weeks 13-27 now you can see it is human
but cannot live on its own3rd Trimester still a fetus but from weeks 28 to delivery it can survive with medical attention....
anyway just a heads up for your bio there
Yeah, because on ace-ing my science, I missed those. Haha, whew.
One question, because I am quite dumb. At what trimester does this foetus have a life? Not alive, a life. An actual life. Surviving without medical attention is a very anal technicality. But I am curious.
Indulge me.
-AC
Originally posted by GCG
I am not talking about being alive but about life. And I dont intend to subscribe to that. A wide spectrum of people consider it justifyable to dismiss zygotes, foetuses and any phase that YOU and ME have gone through to come into this world.
Yes I know you are talking about life. There is no life at conception. End of story. End...of...story. What are you not getting?
Originally posted by GCG
LIFE begins at Conception. Get that into your hard head. Ever heard of water being life ? Its a drop of water that doesnt have a life but IT IS LIFE. In fact that is how the earth began in the first place.
Someone's been watching a bit too much Mortal Kombat. Try paying attention to teachers rather than Robin Shou as Liu Kang.
BUT seriously, life does not begin at conception. It's seriously not up for debate. Becoming a living organism? Yes. Having a life? No. Sorry, no. It doesn't. It doesn't have what you and I have upon conception. You said it yourself, it's on the PATH to life.
Originally posted by GCG
You feel you have to touch to believe. Your views are purely materialistic. The Life is passed onto to you by your parents ; Your mother and your father gave you life when they had sex ( I hope you get a visual!)Life gets handed over from generation to generation. If you break the link, you automatically abort life developing.
Right....sorry were you supposed to be refuting something of mine, within this?
Aborting life developing, exactly. Stopping it from becoming a life. It's alive, it's not a life. Abortion is to stop it becoming one. We agree, excellent.
Originally posted by GCG
23 Chromosomes on their own dont make life. But 23 from a sperm cell and 23 from a ovary together combined and fertilised ARE THE BEGINNING of an individual.Abortion is ultimatly the termination of an individual.
"Abortion is ultimatly the termination of an individual".
Let me ask you something in light of that Fraggle Rock-level of naive, comment:
Do you value human lives, older and younger, equally?
Originally posted by GCG
Now we can continue debating saying the same things cause you are no less of a brick wall as I am.
The difference is that you are continuing, wrongly, spouting the same old BS out of pride whilst also dodging my questions and points with silly, unrealistic beliefs.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yeah, because on ace-ing my science, I missed those. Haha, whew.One question, because I am quite dumb. At what trimester does this foetus have a life? Not alive, a life. An actual life. Surviving without medical attention is a very anal technicality. But I am curious.
Indulge me.
-AC
1st save your sarcasm, thanks.
2nd I only showed you that not to argue against you merely to illustrate most abortions happen in the 1st and second trimester which means in the first trimester you shouldn't even call it a fetus but an embryo.
3rd if you REALLY want me to point out the answer to your question because you want to be a smart ass I can and ding ding the answer would be a typical preganancy of 9 months in a perfect world.
Originally posted by soleran30
2nd I only showed you that not to argue against you merely to illustrate most abortions happen in the 1st and second trimester which means in the first trimester you shouldn't even call it a fetus but an embryo.
Don't take the sarcasm to heart, it leads to all too many problems here.
True, it's an embryo. I used foetus out of force of habit. You are of course, correct.
Originally posted by soleran30
3rd if you REALLY want me to point out the answer to your question because you want to be a smart ass I can and ding ding the answer would be a typical preganancy of 9 months in a perfect world.
That would apply only to the moment of birth. Not any moment from it being conceived, to then.
Again, confusing alive with a life. An embryo does not have what you or I have. To attain this, it must be born. Without birth, it has no life.
-AC