I do believe parents should be told. For the same reason abortion should be allowed.
There are some sad parents who will use their power over a minor to enforce their beliefs and make them have the kid. I don't, however, believe that the decent parents who WOULD opt for the best course of action (that obviously being abortion) regardless of their own beliefs, should be punished for the bad parents.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes I know you are talking about life. There is no life at conception. End of story. End...of...story. What are you not getting?
Life of an individual begins at conception. Get that into that thick head of yours.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriSomeone's been watching a bit too much Mortal Kombat. Try paying attention to teachers rather than Robin Shou as Liu Kang.
Clearly, you have lost your fingertip grip on reality and have descended into an abyss of irreversible lunacy. Dont mock me you ding-bat. I dont waste my time playing video games as you do.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriBUT seriously, life does not begin at conception. It's seriously not up for debate. Becoming a living organism? Yes. Having a life? No. Sorry, no. It doesn't. It doesn't have what you and I have upon conception. You said it yourself, it's on the PATH to life..
Jesus Mary and Jo Jo ! Finally !
We speak of Human life here. What you are saying is that preventing a tree from growing is no different from terminating life in an individual concepted at intercourse. And FYI, intercourse is there to handover life.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriRight....sorry were you supposed to be refuting something of mine, within this?
Aborting life developing, exactly. Stopping it from becoming a life. It's alive, it's not a life. Abortion is to stop it becoming one. We agree, excellent...
Im not subscibing to that either. Dont come tell me we are agreeing when you feel like mocking. If you want to say something , say so clearly.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri"Abortion is ultimatly the termination of an individual".
Let me ask you something in light of that Fraggle Rock-level of naive, comment:
Do you value human lives, older and younger, equally?
Oh yeah right ; Stupid question to which i will answer NO.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriThe difference is that you are continuing, wrongly, spouting the same old BS out of pride whilst also dodging my questions and points with silly, unrealistic beliefs.
-AC
Why do you even care what I think ? What is it to you ? Personal cyber pride ?
I took the liberty of cutting out the pointless insults you posted so as to focus on the topic 🙂.
Originally posted by GCG
Life of an individual begins at conception. Get that into that thick head of yours.
Excuse me sir, what seems to be your boggle?
Life does not begin at conception. Here's how it is:
When it's conceived, it's alive. It doesn't have a life, it's alive. YOU SAID YOURSELF that it's on the PATH to life. It does NOT have what you and I have, at conception. It has to be BORN for that.
Originally posted by GCG
Jesus Mary and Jo Jo ! Finally !We speak of Human life here. What you are saying is that preventing a tree from growing is no different from terminating life in an individual concepted at intercourse. And FYI, intercourse is there to handover life.
No, we don't speak of HUMAN life. We speak of an organism being alive. To attain a "life" it must be born. Get that right before you even think of replying. Get on the path to having a clue, maybe. A few if you're being generous.
Originally posted by GCG
Im not subscibing to that either. Dont come tell me we are agreeing when you feel like mocking. If you want to say something , say so clearly.
We are agreeing though aren't we?
You: "Life gets handed over from generation to generation. If you break the link, you automatically abort life developing."
Exactly. If you break the link by aborting an embryo, you are stopping the development. If development isn't complete, it's not a life. We agree. You agree with my point. Therefore, you are agreeing that life doesn't begin at conception, because?!?!?! It doesn't, is the answer.
Originally posted by GCG
Oh yeah right ; Stupid question to which i will answer NO.
Well well well. Why is the answer no? Why do you not value human lives, adult and younger, the same?
-AC
I am not yet subscribing to your pointless debates. You must be the brick wall. But if you want to keep pestering me with PM and these posts I may consider retorting. However I decided to concede to you your point of life beginning at birth. Just to pleasure you. I know you take forum arguing at heart.
Yet on the other hand I feel compelled to adjust that saying. “You may take the horse to the water, but cannot make it drink”; I think they must have been talking about a mule. They must have been shortsighted. The same way you are being on two counts. The first one would be about Sex and its consequences and the second one is that you don’t read my signals when I am telling you to let go. And I want to let go of the argument cause its rather stupid of a person to take threads too seriously. I said what I had to said and that’s enough. But clearly you want to keep bickering and bickering until you are happy. Well here I have compiled for a hundred times what you wanted to see. I hope that now you may go in your chat-room and boast of your latest pwnage with your mates and gals and at the same time, while you are playing whatever video game you currently have, that you may imagine me as whatever thing you are shooting as by now you must be boiling in rage in that glitter sprinkled dunce hat you are wearing.
Ultimatly, I don’t care anymore and that’s enough of what I have to say.
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First and foremost, I have never PMed you and it's incredibly sad that most of your post was you pretending you can't be bothered and don't wanna continue.
Your childish and immature post was stupid and uncalled for. I'll observe how it's dealt with by the mods, for future reference.
Originally posted by GCG
I said what I had to said and that’s enough. But clearly you want to keep bickering and bickering until you are happy. Well here I have compiled for a hundred times what you wanted to see. I hope that now you may go in your chat-room and boast of your latest pwnage with your mates and gals and at the same time, while you are playing whatever video game you currently have, that you may imagine me as whatever thing you are shooting as by now you must be boiling in rage in that glitter sprinkled dunce hat you are wearing.Ultimatly, I don’t care anymore and that’s enough of what I have to say.
So rather than stick to the topic, you chicken out.
Cool 🙂. Just as long as you admit that you did chicken out, because that's what you're doing. I never insulted, trolled or harassed you. Just continually debated your very flawed argument and shattered it. That's not my fault buddy. Come correct next time.
It's been fun. If you should decide to answer my question, just holla 🙂.
-AC
one of the biggest arguments in the battle of pro choice vs. pro life is when life is actually created. Pro choice believe that it usually begins at birth, while pro life believes it begins at conception. There really is no right or wrong answer as far as the actual point of the beginning of life goes, because it is all based on opinion. There has never been a fact that states when life begins, and I think it will always be a debate as to when it actually does.
however in any case, it is against the law to have an abortion after the second trimester during the pregnancy... aka 6 months.
Originally posted by Curl_Up&Dye
There really is no right or wrong answer as far as the actual point of the beginning of life goes, because it is all based on opinion. There has never been a fact that states when life begins, and I think it will always be a debate as to when it actually does.
It doesn't begin as soon as sperm hits egg. It doesn't begin at embryo level. No opinion about it really. Alive? Yes. Life? No.
Life is when you are born and live life on Earth. Not congealing in the womb. You have a life, I do, everyone else does (arguably). To put an embryo on our level is ridiculous.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It doesn't begin as soon as sperm hits egg. It doesn't begin at embryo level. No opinion about it really. Alive? Yes. Life? No.Life is when you are born and live life on Earth. Not congealing in the womb.
-AC
I'm honestly not sure what I think about that.
But many people do believe that life begins at conception....theyre not right or wrong.... its just their opinion. I honestly think that this is a topic that will always remain opinion-based
Originally posted by Curl_Up&Dye
I'm honestly not sure what I think about that.
But many people do believe that life begins at conception....theyre not right or wrong.... its just their opinion. I honestly think that this is a topic that will always remain opinion-based
No, they are wrong. Because what we have is a life, what an embryo has, isn't what we have, is it?
So no. It's not about opinion, and the sooner people stop hiding behind "Well it's my opinion" the sooner these issues will be resolved.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, they are wrong. Because what we have is a life, what an embryo has, isn't what we have, is it?So no. It's not about opinion, and the sooner people stop hiding behind "Well it's my opinion" the sooner these issues will be resolved.
-AC
Honestly how you can say that is beyond me. There is no right or wrong answer, it really is all a matter of opinion, religious-based or otherwise. The sooner people stop refering to their opinion as 'right', or the only answer, the sooner these issues will be resolved
Originally posted by Curl_Up&Dye
Honestly how you can say that is beyond me. There is no right or wrong answer, it really is all a matter of opinion, religious-based or otherwise. The sooner people stop refering to their opinion as 'right', or the only answer, the sooner these issues will be resolved
The reason why things will never be resolved is because of self-righteous people like you who think that the fastest way to resolution is agreeing with everyone. Saying that everyone isn't right or wrong doesn't make you right. It makes you wrong.
People who believe life begins at conception are wrong. There is nothing more to debate on that matter.
Stop hiding behind the cowardly opinion shield. If it was all about opinion, GCG would still have a credible argument. Given that his is in pieces due to factual info, I think you should reconsider.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The reason why things will never be resolved is because of self-righteous people like you who think that the fastest way to resolution is agreeing with everyone. Saying that everyone isn't right or wrong doesn't make you right. It makes you wrong.People who believe life begins at conception are wrong. There is nothing more to debate on that matter.
Stop hiding behind the cowardly opinion shield. If it was all about opinion, GCG would still have a credible argument. Given that his is in pieces due to factual info, I think you should reconsider.
-AC
Honestly, look at what you just said. Youre picking out right and wrong? Who are you? Seriously. I'm glad you dont make any real decisions. I'm done arguing with you on this one, because there is no right or wrong answer, and honestly dont have the time, energy, or strength to argue with a brick wall.
Oh and by the way, those who listen to other's opinions are not cowards. Those who walk around with closed minds are cowards, because they are afraid of anything that challenges whatever 'opinion' they have of the world around them. And then they get defensive and jump down people's throats when they discuss anything otherwise. Sound familiar?
i never even stated my opinion on the matter, and you're already telling me to reconsider something you have no idea about.
Originally posted by Curl_Up&Dye
Honestly, look at what you just said. Youre picking out right and wrong? Who are you? Seriously. I'm glad you dont make any real decisions. I'm done arguing with you on this one, because there is no right or wrong answer, and honestly dont have the time, energy, or strength to argue with a brick wall.
You can continue telling yourself there is no right or wrong purely because you haven't got the salt to enter an abortion debate, but you are wrong and there's clearly no convincing you. So on we go.
Originally posted by Curl_Up&Dye
Oh and by the way, those who listen to other's opinions are not cowards. Those who walk around with closed minds are cowards, because they are afraid of anything that challenges whatever 'opinion' they have of the world around them. And then they get defensive and jump down people's throats when they discuss anything otherwise. Sound familiar?
I'm not getting defensive because to do that I'd have to be under attack. I'm not afraid of anyone challenging my opinion. Nobody has yet, though. I challenged GCG's, yours....nothing back. You can believe what you want, however having an opinion doesn't mean you can't be wrong. In this case, you are.
Originally posted by Curl_Up&Dye
i never even stated my opinion on the matter, and you're already telling me to reconsider something you have no idea about.
Life beginning at conception is what I was talking to you about. You are saying that there's no right or wrong for the sake of it, there clearly is a right and wrong. Not morally, but factually and scientifically. If you reply I'll copy your post and reply to the abortion thread.
Anyway, to move on with the topic:
Informing parents can be both a necessary and dangerous concept, as said before. I believe there are probably more responsible and selfless parents than there are oppressive nutcases, who would rather do what's best for their kid, not them.
It also, in my opinion, depends on the minor. If it's a really smart 17 year old, she's obviously gonna know what the best option is. He parent/s could still force her though.
-AC
If anyone should feel the need to reply to AC do so in the Official Abortion-Thread.
Yeah, backseat moderating FTW 😎
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not getting defensive because to do that I'd have to be under attack. I'm not afraid of anyone challenging my opinion. Nobody has yet, though. I challenged GCG's, yours....nothing back. You can believe what you want, however having an opinion doesn't mean you can't be wrong. In this case, you are.-AC
So now all of sudden you u-turn on 'opinion'. Didnt you say that once we remove our opinions out of the way, we may to solve differences. You confuse me.