Originally posted by soleran30
Yeah absolutely but these hungry kids have enough energy to destroy.......hmm I just hope they get a square meal burning all that energy causing riots....
I'm not excusing their behaviour, I am talking about poverty stricken populations and the pursuit of education or a better life.
Did you read this whole thread and the arguements that I was putting forth or just that one post?
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Don't assume too much of my poition.If the comparison between the US and Belgium and France are true, then it is most likely true that huge inequities exist. I went to private school my whole life. There were few black students in my school.
There are thousands of public school in my home state that are mostly black. And there are just as many that are mostly white. However, poverty is still a huge problem. Look at the effects of hurricane Katrina. It helped to highlight the inequities between able to afford the tank of gas to get out of town, and not being able to afford it.
So, while you want to suddenly say "see, we agree because the US and Belgium and France have these things in common" it is possible that we have social injustice in common as well.
I see were you are going. Good job. 😄
Originally posted by KharmaDog
I'm not excusing their behaviour, I am talking about poverty stricken populations and the pursuit of education or a better life.Did you read this whole thread and the arguements that I was putting forth or just that one post?
I read the whole post........I am saying that regardless if poverty stricken people are revolting but are always hungry they certainly have enough energy to create some sort of change although not a positive one.
Originally posted by soleran30
I read the whole post........I am saying that regardless if poverty stricken people are revolting but are always hungry they certainly have enough energy to create some sort of change although not a positive one.
Once again, I am not endorsing their actions, but how to you suggest poverty stricken people encourage change.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Once again, I am not endorsing their actions, but how to you suggest poverty stricken people encourage change.
I wish I had an answer Kharma and quite frankly you are much better at posting than myself I was hoping you could write out an answer I could endorse🙂
The other thing is when people resort to this level of violence it is tough to reason with them becuase they are acting emotionally and think they are being help back(maybe they are,) and repercussions have little meaning anyway to someone who has nothing or very little to lose.
Um Deport them?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Do you really think it is a revolution?
I think it's systemic to a global problem that involves the long standing greed, lies, conceit and subtle yet effective repression by those few who hold the wealth and govern the many in ways that are not sufficiently responsive to their basic human needs. So in a generalized sense, for reasons that are shared by the good and decent, common everyday workers of almost all nations, I would say "yes" to your question. It's time for the citizens of the world to unite and insist that their governments and all the special interests that influence them to an inordinate degree, stop what they're doing and reorganize. Lets face it people, there's a razor thin line between a civilized world and one that is overcome by chaos. When a significant number of people are adversely affected by the misdeeds, mismanagement and misrepresentation of their elected government, a line is crossed where suddenly all the "haves" are scratching and shaking their heads, trying to figure out why all the "have nots" are so restless tonight. It's called "compassion", "caring" and just "giving a damn" for the plight of those who maybe don't have it as good as all of you do just because they weren't brought up with a silver spoon in their little mouths. The secret is that for any large organization to work, everyone's got to agree to it and WANT it to work. When some critical limit is reached wrt the numbers who feel themselves to be deserted and disenfranchised, thats when rioting and chaos start - and thats a breeding ground for religious fundamentalism of every stripe and the insanity and ultra-violence that seems to be expressing itself with greater frequency everywhere around the world!
I place the blame on the people in the highest offices of government, here and abroad, but mostly on the stupid ninny's that put them there. So yeah, burn it down! Burn the whole f'ing world down! Give the holy maniacs what theyv'e been creaming over for 2 millennia now. Give the religious right what they crave and get off on the most: "A Designer Armageddon" - a practice run of sorts, over "there" in Europa. Or as our intrepid - or is it "stupid" leader over here would say: "Bring. It. On."
*laughs maniacally*
Originally posted by jOHN_Anderton
I think it's systemic to a global problem that involves the long standing greed, lies, conceit and subtle yet effective repression by those few who hold the wealth and govern the many in ways that are not sufficiently responsive to their basic human needs. So in a generalized sense, for reasons that are shared by the good and decent, common everyday workers of almost all nations, I would say "yes" to your question. It's time for the citizens of the world to unite and insist that their governments and all the special interests that influence them to an inordinate degree, stop what they're doing and reorganize. Lets face it people, there's a razor thin line between a civilized world and one that is overcome by chaos. When a significant number of people are adversely affected by the misdeeds, mismanagement and misrepresentation of their elected government, a line is crossed where suddenly all the "haves" are scratching and shaking their heads, trying to figure out why all the "have nots" are so restless tonight. It's called "compassion", "caring" and just "giving a damn" for the plight of those who maybe don't have it as good as all of you do just because they weren't brought up with a silver spoon in their little mouths. The secret is that for any large organization to work, everyone's got to agree to it and WANT it to work. When some critical limit is reached wrt the numbers who feel themselves to be deserted and disenfranchised, thats when rioting and chaos start - and thats a breeding ground for religious fundamentalism of every stripe and the insanity and ultra-violence that seems to be expressing itself with greater frequency everywhere around the world!I place the blame on the people in the highest offices of government, here and abroad, but mostly on the stupid ninny's that put them there.
I agree. But if you try to say that here on this thread, people will bash you. Religious fundamentalism is the fire, but the match is inequality. 😄
Canada has a massive minority population why doesn't the same happen here?? I think it matters on how your immigration policy is.
The way i look at it if you treat the minorities equally they can be regular citizens. Vancouver and Toronto are cities with high minority populations (40%+) and yes there is violence but no nothing compared to other cities. Like here in Toronto we have had over 45 shootings deaths this year (mostly blacks) and the whole city demands something serious be done. Imo thats a good sign because that shows people care.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I agree. But if you try to say that here on this thread, people will bash you. Religious fundamentalism is the fire, but the match is inequality. 😄
No one will bash jOHN_Anderton because he made a well thought out arguement and stated a clear and relevant point. People bash others when they say something like this
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, you don't see it. It is part of a bigger picture that you don't want to see. There is unrest and war in the world between Christians and Muslims, and this war was started by the radical Muslims. Are these riots just the beginning of something that will spread or not, is the question I ask myself. Only time will tell.
There is a difference even if you cannot see it.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I agree. But if you try to say that here on this thread, people will bash you. 😄
What a stupid thing to say and how revealing of your sheep-like character.
As IF!
Hey lilly pad, it's clear YOU don't have any balls, but how dare you treat me as such you muther f#####g c##k s##k##g f##k face!
Hilarious this thing has been going on for twelve days and this is the first thread about it, by a belgian then for crying outloud.
Oh and Da Preacher it has been clearly proven over and over again by more than enough scientific research that "allochtone" and "autochtone" muslims get discriminated on the job market here in Belgium, I'm assuming it is the same in France, I see no reason why it would be different there.
I know this is no excuse for dropping out of school, or let alone these riots all I am saying is that it is untrue to say that they are not discriminated because of their heritage or their religion or their names because they are.
Originally posted by jOHN_Anderton
What a stupid thing to say and how revealing of your sheep-like character.As IF!
Hey lilly pad, it's clear YOU don't have any balls, but how dare you treat me as such you muther f#####g c##k s##k##g f##k face!
I only agree with you because you are a hot head and I didn't want you going off. I took advantage of your one point that was correct. 😄
Originally posted by manny321
Canada has a massive minority population why doesn't the same happen here?? I think it matters on how your immigration policy is.The way i look at it if you treat the minorities equally they can be regular citizens. Vancouver and Toronto are cities with high minority populations (40%+) and yes there is violence but no nothing compared to other cities. Like here in Toronto we have had over 45 shootings deaths this year (mostly blacks) and the whole city demands something serious be done. Imo thats a good sign because that shows people care.
True, The way the government and the people handle immigrants is very important.
Wow, from a well thought out and well written post to this:
Originally posted by jOHN_Anderton
Hey lilly pad, it's clear YOU don't have any balls, but how dare you treat me as such you muther f#####g c##k s##k##g f##k face!
jOHN_Anderton you do show quite a range in your expression and communication skills 😉
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I'm not sure that religious issues are at the heart of this situation. Especially considering the both France and Belgium have no part in the current "war on terror"
I think fire was touching on the descrimmination more so that the religion. I may be wrong, but that's how I took her post.
Religion has very little to do with this. People like to blame the muslims and the islam for things like this but that just is not true.
The biggest radical islamic group in France has seriously condemned the riots today by reminding people that the destruction of property could lead to a Fatwa being instated against them.
Now every serious muslim knows that that is a thing to take serious.
People will depict it as a religious issue CF because most of the immigrants that do bad in both countries are muslims and come from the north of Africa, Arabia and Turkey