Originally posted by Metalmanx
I knew Stormfront13 was going to leap in here and say Storm would be either the winner or up there.Storm's powers will do nothing against Psylocke, who can telekinetically deflect them. While Psylocke, on the other hand, can pretty much crush Storm into a football-sized shape.
And Storm has some resistances to telepathy yes, but not if said telepathy is from Emma and she's out to take Storm down.
Psylocke wins this without there being a close runner-up.
shields matter nothing to storm, she affects the inside. and jean greys tk couldn't stand up to storms winds, and jean is an omega level tk. psylock might be omega, but it's doubtfull. the emma VS storm thing is still debatable, seeing as everytime they have fought, storm has easily won, except the first time in which that case was storms first time facing a telepath, and having little expierence.
Case in point
yeah, you forgot to add the rrest where storm shakes off the psionic attack, and easily leaves emma helpless. a telepath has diffulity doing anything to storm. even jean grey can't get into parts of her mind. and when storm is angered, xavier can't either. both jean and xavier being more powerful than emma. and in the same run of extreme, strm is attacked psionically, and completley electricfies the person attacking her. she says that she doesn't like people going into her mind, and shocks the psion out. rachel grey has to give it all she has to break storm psionically. there is no evidance that emma would be able to fully affect storm except the first time they fought, and ever since then, storm has proved very resistant to tp.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
When was this? During the time he encased her in tornado and suffocated her?Jean didn't have her TK then.
no, jean only had telepathy then. she has done it earlier, but i don't have my comics with me, so i don't know the issue number. but she has also affected the insides of unus's shields, and magnetos shields. storm could just rob them of their air
and surround herslf in an electrical force-field. or she could just electricy the air around everyone which would take care of everyone that didn't have a force-field.
I assume that all combatants are within a short range to begin with. In that case I go with Cyke and here is why:
First of all, the fight gets decided in the first few seconds. So whoever attacks first wins. Havok and Cyke have arguablly the quickest powers to use. Many of the other more powerful characters (such as Frost) have to concentrate and focus there power. Scott and Alex have the advantage that their powers are incredibally destructive and require little effort to use. In fact they usually have to worry more about controlling their abilities than using them.
If those to go all out I don't see any of the others still standing. Psylocke and Colossus would last the longest (and emma if she is in diamond form) but I think that the brothers would eventually wear them down. So that leaves the two brothers. I give the win to Cyke because he's a better fighter and has more experience. But that's just my opinion and I could see a situation where someone else could win. However, this seems to me to be the most likely outcome.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Are you ****ing serious?You're comparing JEAN'S omega level, telekinetically fixing the 616 universe, to Storm's winds?
You can't ****ing be serious.
when storm fought legion. jean couldn't stabalize herself with her tk because the winds were too strong for her. i believe it was legion quest, but i may be wrong
Originally posted by stormfront13her TK wasn't at it's omega level then.
when storm fought legion. jean couldn't stabalize herself with her tk because the winds were too strong for her. i believe it was legion quest, but i may be wrong
Do you honestly believe that with the characters as they are now those events would repeat themselves just as they did?
Did I mention telekinetically fixing the 616 Universe?
Originally posted by Creshosk
her TK wasn't at it's omega level then.Do you honestly believe that with the characters as they are now those events would repeat themselves just as they did?
Did I mention telekinetically fixing the 616 Universe?
while i believe it shouldn't have happened, and that jean could have stabalized herself, all this doesn't make it any less cannon. and yes, she was still omega back then. you are born an omega, you don't just evolve into class omega. but as it was, jean back then is probably more powerful than betsy is now.
You aren't born at the maximum power elevel you will acheive later either. Look at iceman, he used to be the poor man's frosty. . . and barring the decimation storyline. . . he's alot more powerful now then he was then.
Jean is also more powerful now then she was then. Yes she was an omega, she had not and still has not reached her maximum potential. And you honestly beleive that Storm can beat Jean's OMEGA level TK?
Originally posted by Creshosk
You aren't born at the maximum power elevel you will acheive later either. Look at iceman, he used to be the poor man's frosty. . . and barring the decimation storyline. . . he's alot more powerful now then he was then.Jean is also more powerful now then she was then. Yes she was an omega, she had not and still has not reached her maximum potential. And you honestly beleive that Storm can beat Jean's OMEGA level TK?
obviously you aren't born at maximum level, but you said jean wasn't an omega back then, which isn't true. no, i don't believe that storm could beat jeans current tk, she doesn't have the power to, i believe she can beat her past level of tk seeing as she already has and she wasn't even concentrated on jean when she did it. betsy isn't an omega, and she seems to be the level of tk that jean was when storm overpowerd her tk. you also have to take into account the way that betsy fights, she likes to get up close and personal when she fights, so chances are that she won't be gunning for storm right away, whi fights flying.
bets teke is on a completely, utterly new level as of now. In seasons of the witch of Uncanny her teke is shown as extremely powerful even, w/o rachel. just b/c she's most like a scrapper doesnt mean she cant use her teke from long range and she can fly too. She was chasing after ray superman-style.
Originally posted by stormfront13
shields matter nothing to storm, she affects the inside. and jean greys tk couldn't stand up to storms winds, and jean is an omega level tk. psylock might be omega, but it's doubtfull. the emma VS storm thing is still debatable, seeing as everytime they have fought, storm has easily won, except the first time in which that case was storms first time facing a telepath, and having little expierence.yeah, you forgot to add the rrest where storm shakes off the psionic attack, and easily leaves emma helpless. a telepath has diffulity doing anything to storm. even jean grey can't get into parts of her mind. and when storm is angered, xavier can't either. both jean and xavier being more powerful than emma. and in the same run of extreme, strm is attacked psionically, and completley electricfies the person attacking her. she says that she doesn't like people going into her mind, and shocks the psion out. rachel grey has to give it all she has to break storm psionically. there is no evidance that emma would be able to fully affect storm except the first time they fought, and ever since then, storm has proved very resistant to tp.
I just looked over both of those comics again. First, I agree completely with Cresh (wow, that doesn't happen too often) and Xmarks. Jean's TK back then was nowhere near what it is now. To my knowledge, Psylocke's is much more powerful currently. Storm won't have time to blow her around in the wind or affect her inside her forcefield. Betsy will have already telekinetically snapped her neck by then.
Oh, and about Storm shaking off the pisonic attack. Looking at the comic right now, do you mean the part where Emma psionically attacks her, changes into diamond, and manhandles Storm all the way down to the ground and then lands hard on her? That seemed to hurt Storm quite a bit.
Yes, I know that after that Storm hit Emma with a pretty powerful bolt of lightning (you're probably gonna say it wasn't too powerful, but from my judgement it looks to be pretty potent) and then pins her against a wall with her winds.
Doesn't change the fact that Emma's psionic attack both damages and hinders Storm greatly (since she caused her to fall out of the sky). And just think, if Emma were to actually want to kill her with a psionic blast...well, let's just say that Storm really wouldn't have any options after that.
Anyways, Psylocke wins rather easily. I predict a group neck-breaking.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I said her TK wasn't at her omega level. Big difference.
yes it was, her tk has always been omega level, just when she was holding the universe in her hand, she was at her full potential. your born an omega, and with that comes omega-level power. she had omega power then, just didn't utilize her full potential.
bets teke is on a completely, utterly new level as of now. In seasons of the witch of Uncanny her teke is shown as extremely powerful even, w/o rachel. just b/c she's most like a scrapper doesnt mean she cant use her teke from long range and she can fly too. She was chasing after ray superman-style.
yes, but staying in character, she doesn't do those things right off the bat. no one os doubting she is extremley powerful.
I just looked over both of those comics again. First, I agree completely with Cresh (wow, that doesn't happen too often) and Xmarks. Jean's TK back then was nowhere near what it is now. To my knowledge, Psylocke's is much more powerful currently. Storm won't have time to blow her around in the wind or affect her inside her forcefield. Betsy will have already telekinetically snapped her neck by then.
no one is doubting the fact that she has grown more powerful. I'm not saying storm will directly use wind, it was just an example of how powerful her wind is. just as easily as betsy snaps her neck, storm could have fried her synapses
Oh, and about Storm shaking off the pisonic attack. Looking at the comic right now, do you mean the part where Emma psionically attacks her, changes into diamond, and manhandles Storm all the way down to the ground and then lands hard on her? That seemed to hurt Storm quite a bit.
this is how the comic goes. storm catches emma, storm recognizes emma as an ally and isn't expecting an attack. they fall to the ground, emma is hit with ligthning, then the wind kicks up sending emma into a wall. emma never manhandled storm in that scene, it was the other way around.
Doesn't change the fact that Emma's psionic attack both damages and hinders Storm greatly (since she caused her to fall out of the sky). And just think, if Emma were to actually want to kill her with a psionic blast...well, let's just say that Storm really wouldn't have any options after that.
once again, storm wasn't expecting emma to attack her. going by past battles, and expierences, storm has enough resistance to take emma out, not unless betsy does it first seeing as betsy hates emma.
Anyways, Psylocke wins rather easily. I predict a group neck-breaking.
or fried synapses for everyone. storms attacks move faster than betsy's. tk moves at the speed of thought, and electricity moves faster than that. or storm just encases everyone in a blovk of ice as she did to colossus in x-men VS dracula. the comic stated that the attack was done in the blink of an eye.
Originally posted by stormfront13
yes it was, her tk has always been omega level, just when she was holding the universe in her hand, she was at her full potential. your born an omega, and with that comes omega-level power. she had omega power then, just didn't utilize her full potential.yes, but staying in character, she doesn't do those things right off the bat. no one os doubting she is extremley powerful.
no one is doubting the fact that she has grown more powerful. I'm not saying storm will directly use wind, it was just an example of how powerful her wind is. just as easily as betsy snaps her neck, storm could have fried her synapses
this is how the comic goes. storm catches emma, storm recognizes emma as an ally and isn't expecting an attack. they fall to the ground, emma is hit with ligthning, then the wind kicks up sending emma into a wall. emma never manhandled storm in that scene, it was the other way around.
once again, storm wasn't expecting emma to attack her. going by past battles, and expierences, storm has enough resistance to take emma out, not unless betsy does it first seeing as betsy hates emma.
or fried synapses for everyone. storms attacks move faster than betsy's. tk moves at the speed of thought, and electricity moves faster than that. or storm just encases everyone in a blovk of ice as she did to colossus in x-men VS dracula. the comic stated that the attack was done in the blink of an eye.
My God, Stormfront. You have a real problem with letting Storm lose, you know that? Even I know when Colossus or Spiderman is beat. But you don't care who it is.
TK moves at the speed of thought. I know that electricity (speed-wise) moves faster, but Storm must first think it. The electricity doesn't replace Storm's need to psionically conjur it up first. The TK however, is just one move. Betsy thinks "Break Storm's Neck" and bam. It's done. Before Storm can think "Electrifiy Betsy's synapses" and witness anything happen, she'll be dead. Because it takes two motions to perform this attack. While Betsy's TK just takes one motion.
And I know how the comic goes, it's sitting right next to me. I only use the term "manhandled" because she did greatly injure Storm on the way down to the ground with the psionic attack and then the hard landing. That's all. Don't get your panties in a twist. Storm one because there was a wall there basically. Storm's resistances aren't enough to completely negate all telepathic attack, you really should know this. Anyone with sufficient telepathic power will be able to quickly take her down psionically, even with her defenses up.
Betsy takes out Storm before Storm even realizes she's dead. And then it's on to the others. Actually her toughest opponent to defeat will be Colossus, since I don't think she can actually manipulate him the same way, since he doesn't have the same human phisiology when he's transformed. I don't know if she has the power to snap him, it seems doubtful. But she still wins cuz she can just keep him at bay for as long as she wants.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
My God, Stormfront. You have a real problem with letting Storm lose, you know that? Even I know when Colossus or Spiderman is beat. But you don't care who it is.TK moves at the speed of thought. I know that electricity (speed-wise) moves faster, but Storm must first think it. The electricity doesn't replace Storm's need to psionically conjur it up first. The TK however, is just one move. Betsy thinks "Break Storm's Neck" and bam. It's done. Before Storm can think "Electrifiy Betsy's synapses" and witness anything happen, she'll be dead. Because it takes two motions to perform this attack. While Betsy's TK just takes one motion.
And I know how the comic goes, it's sitting right next to me. I only use the term "manhandled" because she did greatly injure Storm on the way down to the ground with the psionic attack and then the hard landing. That's all. Don't get your panties in a twist. Storm one because there was a wall there basically. Storm's resistances aren't enough to completely negate all telepathic attack, you really should know this. Anyone with sufficient telepathic power will be able to quickly take her down psionically, even with her defenses up.
Betsy takes out Storm before Storm even realizes she's dead. And then it's on to the others. Actually her toughest opponent to defeat will be Colossus, since I don't think she can actually manipulate him the same way, since he doesn't have the same human phisiology when he's transformed. I don't know if she has the power to snap him, it seems doubtful. But she still wins cuz she can just keep him at bay for as long as she wants.
i know storm stands a huge chance at losing, but betsy stands a chance as well. it's not that simple. yes, she has grown in power, but she isn't god. storm is about as hard to affect with telepathy as magneto is. she too affetcs the electro-magnetic field. both storm and betsy have to think first, and both only have to think bout striking the other. in which case it would be a dounle K.O. betsy doesn't have enhanced reflexes or reaction time, so therfore it's mor even;y matched than you think. storm has enough to resist emma for the half a second it takes to summon lightning. that's is all I have been trying to say(it might have been confusing because i am not the best with words, and i have trouble getting points across). once again, betsy has human reaction time therefore it's more evenly matched than you think. you have to consider all the possibilities. what if betsy doesn't go for storm first? what if she gets taken out quick? what if storm gets taken out quick? ther are so many possibilities that it's hard to say who it will and won't come out with. imo it comes down to betsy and storm, with it being evenly matched. i see storm having an edge because A)she has more expierence B) is the better tactician C) her most devestating attack moves faster than betsy's does D)storm has an electrical field which repels tk attacks. imo, it's evenly matched
Originally posted by stormfront13You aren't born with the omega level power, that's why they talk about potential with omega level mutants, and no, Jean has not reached her full potential, she's going to eventually replace the phoenix force by becoming it. She hasn't done that quite yet.
yes it was, her tk has always been omega level, just when she was holding the universe in her hand, she was at her full potential. your born an omega, and with that comes omega-level power. she had omega power then, just didn't utilize her full potential.
And no it was not at her omega level of power. . . maybe beta. . . or gamma considering what she does now and what she will be in the future.
If she could do then what she does now she could have turned storm into a smear easier than . . easier than . . I can't think of anything to compare that too. She telekinetically fixed the 616 universe! The entire universe was effected with but a minor thought. No concentration, no effort, just did it.
Now when you think about how big a universe is then that means that Storm and storms winds would be like a single electron to you. You certtianly wouldn't notice a single electron would you? Of course not, you're not an electron microscope.