Originally posted by xmarksthespotGood picture you posted x...BUT you very well know that it's out of context! 😉
Case in point.
Nonetheless i think in this threads fight Storm is not a major factor.
Imo it's between Psylocke, Havoc and Emma (she could "use" Havoc against the tp-immune Betsy)!
Originally posted by wannabe
Good picture you posted x...BUT you very well know that it's out of context! 😉
Emma was able to hurt Ororo with her telepathy in that issue, but she was not able to take her out with it.
In the end it was Storm winning this particular fight against Emma.Nonetheless i think in this threads fight Storm is not a major factor.
Imo it's between Psylocke, Havoc and Emma (she could "use" Havoc against the tp-immune Betsy)!
Not before Betsy snaps Emma's neck. Or crushes her enough to fit into a tin-can.
Psylocke wins.
Originally posted by wannabeHmm... yes. But I posted in response to the constant hyperbole that Storm is immune to TP, or is so resistant to it as to be unaffected by a TP mindblast. A mindblast lasting all of a second, caused her great pain and made Storm unable to utilise her powers to fly. A sustained mindblast would KO her. If Emma hadn't been cocky and tried to alter Storm's mind, she could have easily won. I brought this up a while ago using the analogy of using the psychic equivalent of a hatchet (the former) vs using the psychic equivalent of a scalpel and performing delicate surgery (the latter). Storm may have resistance against the latter, but she is affected by the former no great deal less than most.
Good picture you posted x...BUT you very well know that it's out of context! 😉
Emma was able to hurt Ororo with her telepathy in that issue, but she was not able to take her out with it.
In the end it was Storm winning this particular fight against Emma.
Originally posted by wannabeInteresting idea, she could technically turn every X-Man there against TP immune Betsy. But I'd still say Psylocke has more likelihood of win.
Nonetheless i think in this threads fight Storm is not a major factor.
Imo it's between Psylocke, Havoc and Emma (she could "use" Havoc against the tp-immune Betsy)!
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hmm... yes. But I posted in response to the constant hyperbole that Storm is immune to TP, or is so resistant to it as to be unaffected by a TP mindblast. A mindblast lasting all of a second, caused her great pain and made Storm unable to utilise her powers to fly. A sustained mindblast would KO her. If Emma hadn't been cocky and tried to alter Storm's mind, she could have easily won. I brought this up a while ago using the analogy of using the psychic equivalent of a hatchet (the former) vs using the psychic equivalent of a scalpel and performing delicate surgery (the latter). Storm may have resistance against the latter, but she is affected by the former no great deal less than most.
no one is saying that storm is immune to tp, only highly reseistant. your not getting that storm wasn't expecting a mindblast and was totally unprepared and caufght by suprise. emma is an x-men, an ally, and considering storm had just saved her, she had all teh right to expect that an attack would not be coming. all mutants that can affect the em fields are naturally resistant to tp. and rachel had to giveit her all just to contain storm.
Originally posted by stormfront13
emma has a very hard time getting into storms mind if she even can anymore
Originally posted by stormfront13
storm isn't gonna let emma in and in the past emma hasn't been able to get in.
Originally posted by stormfront13
Pr, storm has always had the ability to stop emma
You're not getting that: what exactly is she going to do even if she knows a psiblast is coming. She isn't a telepath. She has some resistance training from Xavier, as all the X-Men do but that hasn't stopped Emma before.
First off Storm cannot manipulate the electromagnetic field. You've yet to show an instance where she has. She generates electricity by exciting electrons, you've yet to show where she controls electrical energy in the same manner that Pyro controls fire or Magneto controls magnetism (among other things). She has shown no control over heat, light, magnetism etc. The only instance where I can think of where it states resistance due to the nature of her powers is when Jean from halfway across the globe says she can't probe deeper to taste Ororo's iceblock due to electrical static in her brain - (leaving aside that if there was constant synchronous electrical static in her brain then she'd basically be having an epileptic seizure, this again only implies that she can resist manipulation not psiblasts and with no implication that she can control electromagnetic force. Secondly, Polaris who does have control of electromagnetic force due to her magnetic powers, has been shown to be susceptible to mental control multiple times. Magnus, the son of Magneto and Rogue, more powerful than his father, in Exiles went down easily to a psiblast. Thirdly, a psiblast is not the same as trying to telepathically alter a person's personality, the former is pure attack, the latter requires more tact.
She has a resistance to mental manipulation, due to a combination of the nature of her powers, training from Xavier, and her strength of will. It doesn't prevent her from feeling and going down to a psiblast, as has been shown.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So no one's suggested before that Storm can't be affected i.e. is immune to Emma Frost's powers? Could have fooled me. Some old quotes to refresh your memory.You're not getting that: what exactly is she going to do even if she knows a psiblast is coming. She isn't a telepath. She has some resistance training from Xavier, as all the X-Men do but that hasn't stopped Emma before.
First off Storm cannot manipulate the electromagnetic field. You've yet to show an instance where she has. She generates electricity by exciting electrons, you've yet to show where she controls electrical energy in the same manner that Pyro controls fire or Magneto controls magnetism (among other things). She has shown no control over heat, light, magnetism etc. The only instance where I can think of where it states resistance due to the nature of her powers is when Jean from halfway across the globe says she can't probe deeper to taste Ororo's iceblock due to electrical static in her brain - (leaving aside that if there was constant synchronous electrical static in her brain then she'd basically be having an epileptic seizure, this again only implies that she can resist manipulation not psiblasts and with no implication that she can control electromagnetic force. Secondly, Polaris who does have control of electromagnetic force due to her magnetic powers, has been shown to be susceptible to mental control multiple times. Magnus, the son of Magneto and Rogue, more powerful than his father, in Exiles went down easily to a psiblast. Thirdly, a psiblast is not the same as trying to telepathically alter a person's personality, the former is pure attack, the latter requires more tact.
She has a resistance to mental manipulation, due to a combination of the nature of her powers, training from Xavier, and her strength of will. It doesn't prevent her from feeling and going down to a psiblast, as has been shown.
correctrion, you said tp in general, now you say emma frost. you were not talking about just emma frost when i was responding. i am well aaware htat i said those things, but they were refering to emma. emma hasn't done anything impressive that storm couldn't stop in their past two fights. i have already explained countless times what storm has when it comes to tp, a ligthning field and her ability to affect the em fields to scramble incoming tp assualts. when storm and the x-men fought alpha flight, shamman lost control of the storm he made, and storm had to take control. she said the storm was so big she had to tap into the electro-magnetic field to stop it. i am looking for the scan, but it's in the namor VS storm thread. of that's the only instane that you can think of, then you are sadly mistaken. it'z been stated in the x-men comics more than once that she's resistant to tp assualt due to her powers, and her natural ability to manipulate things like electricity and the em fields. no, she has been proven to be resistant to a mond-blast in the past, i believe she did it when she fought emma the second time, after they switched bodies, but i may be mistaken with the wrong issue.
I'm sorry but Emma Frost isn't a telepath? She doesn't have telepathic powers. Who the hell else am I going to be talking about she was the only telepath in the thread at the start.
Show me a scan or a link where it depicts her "scrambling" an incoming psiblast with lightning. You've yet to show her manipulating electricity with any great control so really I don't expect much.
There are three instances where Emma Frost has purely attacked Storm with telepathy, the first Storm is knocked out, the second Storm has just come from Emma's body and through no explanation other than she is an altered state of mind from having her body stolen she resists it, the third and most recent a brief psiblast harms her enough to make her unable to access her powers.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm sorry but Emma Frost isn't a telepath? She doesn't have telepathic powers. Who the hell else am I going to be talking about she was the only telepath in the thread at the start.Show me a scan or a link where it depicts her "scrambling" an incoming psiblast with lightning. You've yet to show her manipulating electricity with any great control so really I don't expect much.
There are three instances where Emma Frost has purely attacked Storm with telepathy, the first Storm is knocked out, the second Storm has just come from Emma's body and through no explanation other than she is an altered state of mind from having her body stolen she resists it, the third and most recent a brief psiblast harms her enough to make her unable to access her powers.
there are certain levels of power of a telepath, that's wat I'm refering to. uncannyxmen.net is the quickest place to look in her bio section on spot light it clearly states that she is able to scramble oncoming psionic attacks. i only give you a bio because i don't have the time to go look for the issue i am talking about.
1)storms first time being attacked by a telepath, and is reletavley new to the whole x-men thing
2)she resists it because she was angry, pure will and determination can affect the outcome of a psi-blast
3)she wasn't expecting an attack, and she wasn't affected much. yes, she was obviously affected, but the blast itself wasn't powerful.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Exactly, SF. That last psi-blast from Emma wasn't even that powerful.And yet, it made Storm completely useless until she hit the ground hard. Then Emma decided to toy with her instead of actually attacking her. If Emma had used even a slightly more powerful psi-blast, Storm would've been out.
and storm wasn't expecting an attack. the psi-blast wasn't that powerful if storm had recovered right away, even with no protection. we both know that storm could have protected herself just like she has countless times before, that's if she knew she was even in a fight. she didn't klnow there was a fight, and was attacked unexpectedley. also, X it's funny that you use this as an example, even tho9ugh it's excatley like the fight between sue and emma. emma didn't expect an attack and wasn't really fighting, and got taken out. same with storm, except storm turned the tables on emma.
Originally posted by stormfront13
and storm wasn't expecting an attack. the psi-blast wasn't that powerful if storm had recovered right away, even with no protection. we both know that storm could have protected herself just like she has countless times before, that's if she knew she was even in a fight. she didn't klnow there was a fight, and was attacked unexpectedley. also, X it's funny that you use this as an example, even tho9ugh it's excatley like the fight between sue and emma. emma didn't expect an attack and wasn't really fighting, and got taken out. same with storm, except storm turned the tables on emma.
ONLY BECAUSE EMMA LET UP AND DIDN'T CONTINUE WITH HER MENTAL FREAKIN ASSAULT! GOD.
Emma stopped. She talked for a bit. Then decided to take over Storm's mind instead of attacking it. Since the process is not instantaneous, Storm had a moment of clarity, in which she used to attack Emma with the lighting bolt.
Now, let's start from the beginning, this time changing a few things.
Emma psi-blasts Storm to the ground, lands on her in her diamond form. She then reverts back to human and continues to psi-blast Storm. And she keeps going (probably won't even take long), until Storm's brain is mush and she's a vegetable for the rest of her life.
Whether or not Storm was prepared, a small, not-very-powerful psi blast took her out of the sky and out of commission for a few seconds. She was unable to do anything after that not-very-powerful psi blast.
Man, I'd hate to see what would've happend to Storm if Emma increased the potency of her attack even just a little bit. Or doubled it. Ouchies.
Tripled? Let's not even go there.
Storm could just remove every electron partilce in whoever ya'll talking abouts body and kill them. Or since Emma or Psylocke is a telepath and they send of electromagnetic brainwaves, she could just draw that energy lke she does all the time and create a storm in the inside of their head or "ionize" the air so their telepthy is weak.
Originally posted by Khellendros
In a free-for-all like this, strategy isn't going to matter much. Every person for themselves means the people with the most raw power stand the best chance.
NOt neccesarily. I'd say the guys with less power team up and the tougher ones. If you were in a similar situation wouldn't you and others team up over some you know could just crush you?