X-men vs X-men

creshok, your misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. if you are an omega, you always have omega power, it's just a matter of getting there. the iceman example is completely useless because he didn't realize he had the potential to do all of those things, and he didn't understand his powers.

about storms shield, well most of you agree that it was blocking tp, so emma's powers are completely useless against storm, and now that it's classic psylock, then she isn't immune to tp anymore. she would still be hard to affect but isn't immune. so if storm has a shield that blocks either tp or tk, then she's the safest.

Originally posted by stormfront13
creshok, your misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. if you are an omega, you always have omega power, it's just a matter of getting there. the iceman example is completely useless because he didn't realize he had the potential to do all of those things, and he didn't understand his powers.

about storms shield, well most of you agree that it was blocking tp, so emma's powers are completely useless against storm, and now that it's classic psylock, then she isn't immune to tp anymore. she would still be hard to affect but isn't immune. so if storm has a shield that blocks either tp or tk, then she's the safest.

I didn't see where most of us agreed with that statement at all. I for one disagree. Storm's shields cannot block out TP nor TK. She blocked psi-blasts (which are energy), which makes sense. I'm kinda getting tired of saying this though, so I'm really considering stopping my plight to show you the truth.

Okay, omega level. Storm is omega level, am I correct? Now, if she ALWAYS had this power, don't you think a good time to realize it would've been in the fight against Legion in Legion Quest? I mean, that seems like a perfect time to realize your full potential. But she didn't. Because she had not achieved that power yet, even though she has the potential.

And just like what Cresh said earlier, EVERYONE has the potential to be the strongest person in the world (ya know, healthy people I mean).

Psylocke still wins. Current more so than Classic.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I didn't see where most of us agreed with that statement at all. I for one disagree. Storm's shields cannot block out TP nor TK. She blocked psi-blasts (which are energy), which makes sense. I'm kinda getting tired of saying this though, so I'm really considering stopping my plight to show you the truth.

Okay, omega level. Storm is omega level, am I correct? Now, if she ALWAYS had this power, don't you think a good time to realize it would've been in the fight against Legion in Legion Quest? I mean, that seems like a perfect time to realize your full potential. But she didn't. Because she had not achieved that power yet, even though she has the potential.

And just like what Cresh said earlier, EVERYONE has the potential to be the strongest person in the world (ya know, healthy people I mean).

Psylocke still wins. Current more so than Classic.

at least two people agreed that she blocked psionic force-bolts, and according to jean grey, psionic force bolts are just tk energy. and this is the first time you've said anything about what the shield blocks. no storm is not omega-level. it hasn't been confirmed yet, s no she is not. whle many people think she is omega, it hasn't been confirmed. and you don't just become at your prime in one second, you get there over time. an omega always has the power. fact. it is about training to chieve the power. current isn't in this, it's classic who isn't at the same level of power. storms shields block tk, which is psylocks main power.

Originally posted by stormfront13
at least two people agreed that she blocked psionic force-bolts, and according to jean grey, psionic force bolts are just tk energy. and this is the first time you've said anything about what the shield blocks. no storm is not omega-level. it hasn't been confirmed yet, s no she is not. whle many people think she is omega, it hasn't been confirmed. and you don't just become at your prime in one second, you get there over time. an omega always has the power. fact. it is about training to chieve the power. current isn't in this, it's classic who isn't at the same level of power. storms shields block tk, which is psylocks main power.

Why did this omegal argument start? It's really kinda fruitless actually. Either way (just to play along with you), Storm didn't give trouble to a true omegal-level mutant then. If Jean had not reached her full potential then since she hadn't trained enough, then Storm's winds were just a hassel on a moderately-trained Jean. Beating an omega-level sounds a lot better, doesn't it? Too bad that Jean wasn't at that power.

Anyway, let this die.

I know that we're talking about Classic now. And even then, I still give it to her. Emma and Psylocke take out the rest of the opponents (including Storm) in one psionic motion. Storm will not withstand that. She can't attack faster than they can, no matter how many times you say she can.

So now it's just between Emma and Betsy. And like I said earlier, I see Betsy overpowering Emma.

and there is no proof that candra was using psionic force-bolts. darkcrawler just assumes this, but considering that candras main power is tk, and she's most expierenced and her most powerful attack is tk, then the only logical conslusion is that it was tk. what makes more sence, using an attack that is an ok attack, or using your most powerful attack which you have more expierence with?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Why did this omegal argument start? It's really kinda fruitless actually. Either way (just to play along with you), Storm didn't give trouble to a true omegal-level mutant then. If Jean had not reached her full potential then since she hadn't trained enough, then Storm's winds were just a hassel on a moderately-trained Jean. Beating an omega-level sounds a lot better, doesn't it? Too bad that Jean wasn't at that power.

Anyway, let this die.

I know that we're talking about Classic now. And even then, I still give it to her. Emma and Psylocke take out the rest of the opponents (including Storm) in one psionic motion. Storm will not withstand that. She can't attack faster than they can, no matter how many times you say she can.

So now it's just between Emma and Betsy. And like I said earlier, I see Betsy overpowering Emma.

creshok sarted this whole omega arguement, though i don't know why. yes, storm did. you are an omega since birth. jean just wasn't at her peak then, and that's the only reason she couldn't keep up. what about storms resistance don't you get? it is common knowlege for any storm fan that she has great resistance to tp assualts. she has more than enough resistance to withstand emma for the one second it takes to summon lightning. her body literally scrambles incoming tpo assualts due to her lightning. there have been more than enough showings of storm being very resistant to tp. her attacks move faster than theirs, that's what i've been saying. i haven't said that she attacks faster, instead her attacks move faster.

Originally posted by stormfront13
and there is no proof that candra was using psionic force-bolts. darkcrawler just assumes this, but considering that candras main power is tk, and she's most expierenced and her most powerful attack is tk, then the only logical conslusion is that it was tk. what makes more sence, using an attack that is an ok attack, or using your most powerful attack which you have more expierence with?

Why doesn't Storm fry everyone instantly?

Why doesn't Xavier destroy everyone's minds in a second?

Why doesn't Magneto/Polaris just rip people apart?

Why doesn't Shadowcat just phase through everyone and kill them?

Why doesn't Flash/Quicksilver/Northstar defeat his opponents in the first picosecond?

Why doesn't Iceman just flash-freeze any opponent and end the fight immediately?

Why doesn't Havok just liquify his enemies from the start?

I could really go on. But I think I'm done debating with you.

It's official. You have become the new wolverine8888 for Storm.

Congrats.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Why did this omegal argument start?

A completely ridiculous that ignores the fact that the characters are not always at the the same level of power. Magneto becemae a unified feild theory, when before he could only manipulate metal. Iceman became an Icegod when before the was barely a snowman. Jean has achieved telekinetic godhood, when before she was really quite weak. I'm sure there are other instances where you can find someone has become more powerful than they used to be. But SF13 wants it to sound like Jean always had this TK power she has now, to boister storm up. Cause hey Storm blocked Jean's TK and jean is an omega level TK. . .

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Why doesn't Storm fry everyone instantly?

Why doesn't Xavier destroy everyone's minds in a second?

Why doesn't Magneto/Polaris just rip people apart?

Why doesn't Shadowcat just phase through everyone and kill them?

Why doesn't Flash/Quicksilver/Northstar defeat his opponents in the first picosecond?

Why doesn't Iceman just flash-freeze any opponent and end the fight immediately?

Why doesn't Havok just liquify his enemies from the start?

I could really go on. But I think I'm done debating with you.

It's official. You have become the new wolverine8888 for Storm.

Congrats.

that really has no affect, because those people don't kill instantley. candra was out to kill storm. big difference

Originally posted by Creshosk
Stormfront said that Storm blocked Jean's TK, and then pointed out that Jean's TK was omega level. It's a major disconnect logically. as at the time Jean's TK was weaker than it is now, so they're just trying to get storm a win by saying that everyone is always at their power level. So Jean telekinetically fixing the universe is impressive, but storm can block it.

A completely ridiculous that ignores the fact that the characters are not always at the the same level of power. Magneto becemae a unified feild theory, when before he could only manipulate metal. Iceman became an Icegod when before the was barely a snowman. Jean has achieved telekinetic godhood, when before she was really quite weak. I'm sure there are other instances where you can find someone has become more powerful than they used to be. But SF13 wants it to sound like Jean always had this TK power she has now, to boister storm up. Cause hey Storm blocked Jean's TK and jean is an omega level TK. . .

for the last time, an omega always has that level of power inside them. back then, jean wasn't at full potential and she wasn't utilizing all of that power. they have the power, but that doesn't mean they can use it. do you get it? they have the power, but can't always access it right away. i have been trying to make it simple for you, and everyone is right, you do sucker your way out of debating by not understanding to make yourself seem better.

Originally posted by stormfront13
[B]for the last time, an omega always has that level of power inside them.[/;b]

Get over it your favorite character is not the strongest.

Originally posted by Creshosk
No they don't. What about this do you not get? They are not always at the same level of power. You're just trying to say that to say that Jean had the level of power she has now, back then, so you can say that Storm can block omega level TK. She can't, Jean Grey now can beat Storm so easily that Jean probably wouldn't notice doing it.

Get over it your favorite character is not the strongest.

wtf?

have you paid attentionm to anything I said? obviously they are not always at the same level of power. they always have the power in them. fact. they can't access that level of power, they have to work to reach that level of power. fact. jean was much weaker back then, and that is why storm was able to give her trouble. fact. jean has progressed since then, and now would beat storm, this we both agree on. jean has always been an omega. fact. do you get it now? an omega always has the power within them, but doesn't start off with that level of power, they have to work and progress to reach that level of ultimate power. even though jean was weaker back then, she was still classified as an omega, which is why i said omega tk. is this understandable?

I'll just say one more thing.

On a scale from 1-10 (ten being the strongest [current]), Jean's "omega level TK" during Legion Quest was a 4-5 at the most.

So, sure. Storm's winds gave an omega level 5 Jean some trouble.

I could probably give that level of Jean some trouble. Just give me an industrial-sized fan.

Originally posted by stormfront13
and there is no proof that candra was using psionic force-bolts. darkcrawler just assumes this, but considering that candras main power is tk, and she's most expierenced and her most powerful attack is tk, then the only logical conslusion is that it was tk. what makes more sence, using an attack that is an ok attack, or using your most powerful attack which you have more expierence with?

Well, since they had physical form, and they were shaped like bolts...I suppose they were force bolts...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Well, since they had physical form, and they were shaped like bolts...I suppose they were force bolts...

you do realize that tk can be in the same form? and candra had a shield created from tk energy and the energy was coming from the shield?

Originally posted by stormfront13
you do realize that tk can be in the same form? and candra had a shield created from tk energy and the energy was coming from the shield?

Excatly. It was energy bolt. Not direct TK manipulating.

I say the X-men wins this match/

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Excatly. It was energy bolt. Not direct TK manipulating.

tk is energy, so yes it would have had to had been an energy bolt. the fact that candra was out to kill storm, tk is candras strongest attack, and the attack broke off from her shield made from tk all points to the fact that she used tk. you have no proof that is was a psionic force bolt(which is tk anyway), and i have no proof thait was tk, but all the facts point to it being tk.

Originally posted by stormfront13
tk is energy, so yes it would have had to had been an energy bolt. the fact that candra was out to kill storm, tk is candras strongest attack, and the attack broke off from her shield made from tk all points to the fact that she used tk. you have no proof that is was a psionic force bolt(which is tk anyway), and i have no proof thait was tk, but all the facts point to it being tk.

Telekinetic energy bolt...energy has physical form...it's psionic force bolt.

What facts? Like it was bolt-shaped? It broke from the shield and dissipated? It was launched like an bolt? It was energy?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Telekinetic energy bolt...energy has physical form...it's psionic force bolt.

what?

What facts? Like it was bolt-shaped? It broke from the shield and dissipated? It was launched like an bolt? It was energy?

once again, what are you trying to say? it was a fact that it was bolt shaped, it did break off from a tk shield and then bounced off storms shield, it was launched like a bolt, and it is energy. i have the comic sitting right in front of me.