X-men vs X-men

Originally posted by stormfront13
i know storm stands a huge chance at losing, but betsy stands a chance as well. it's not that simple. yes, she has grown in power, but she isn't god. storm is about as hard to affect with telepathy as magneto is. she too affetcs the electro-magnetic field. both storm and betsy have to think first, and both only have to think bout striking the other. in which case it would be a dounle K.O. betsy doesn't have enhanced reflexes or reaction time, so therfore it's mor even;y matched than you think. storm has enough to resist emma for the half a second it takes to summon lightning. that's is all I have been trying to say(it might have been confusing because i am not the best with words, and i have trouble getting points across). once again, betsy has human reaction time therefore it's more evenly matched than you think. you have to consider all the possibilities. what if betsy doesn't go for storm first? what if she gets taken out quick? what if storm gets taken out quick? ther are so many possibilities that it's hard to say who it will and won't come out with. imo it comes down to betsy and storm, with it being evenly matched. i see storm having an edge because A)she has more expierence B) is the better tactician C) her most devestating attack moves faster than betsy's does D)storm has an electrical field which repels tk attacks. imo, it's evenly matched

That was the most logical post you've ever made.

Wrong at some points, but still logical nonetheless.

Okay, Storm's electrical field is not going to stop TK. TK is basically physical attacks produced from the mind. Attacks that can easily penetrate a "force field" produced by Storm since they are psionic in origin. Next you're going to tell me that Storm's electromagnetic fields deflect telepathic attacks as well. Storm's attacks will not be faster than Betsy's thoughts, I'm sorry. Just accept that.

I'm assuming Storm's most devestating attack is lightning. And if that's true, then Betsy easily blocks it with her TK. This is, of course, assuming that Betsy hasn't already killed her.

And I never said who Betsy would take out first for reason--that Betsy can take them all out (save Colossus) with one stroke. That's all it takes. Hell, for Wolverine, she can even make an exception and pull his heart and brain out of his body or something. If it doesn't kill him, it's still a KO and a win for her.

So you say that Betsy doesn't have enhanced reflexes. Are you then saying that Storm does? Cuz if you are saying this, I'm going to have to call you a big ol' poopy-head. As well as a liar.

If anything, Betsy's reflexes are better than Storm's, being a ninja and all. As well as the #1 assassin in Japan.

And the experience thing. Storm was first introduced in 1975. Psylocke was first introduced in 1976. And they've both been fighting pretty consistantly since then. I'd definitely go so far as to say that experience is not much of a factor here in the slightest. In fact, yes. That's exactly what I'm saying.

So, after all that, Psylocke DEFINITELY has the big edge here. There's just nothing the others can do to an uber powerful telekinetic who's immune to telepathic attacks. That includes Storm.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You aren't born with the omega level power, that's why they talk about potential with omega level mutants, and no, Jean has not reached her full potential, she's going to eventually replace the phoenix force by becoming it. She hasn't done that quite yet.

And no it was not at her omega level of power. . . maybe beta. . . or gamma considering what she does now and what she will be in the future.

If she could do then what she does now she could have turned storm into a smear easier than . . easier than . . I can't think of anything to compare that too. She telekinetically fixed the 616 universe! The entire universe was effected with but a minor thought. No concentration, no effort, just did it.

Now when you think about how big a universe is then that means that Storm and storms winds would be like a single electron to you. You certtianly wouldn't notice a single electron would you? Of course not, you're not an electron microscope.

yes, you are born an omega. when you are either born you are, or you aren't. as i have already said, you awlays have omega level power, but it's about reaching your full potential. when jean fixed the universe, she was at full potential, when she was having a hard time, she probably wasn't at even half her potantial. that's the way it is, you always have omega-level power.

Originally posted by stormfront13
yes, you are born an omega. when you are either born you are, or you aren't. as i have already said, you awlays have omega level power, but it's about reaching your full potential. when jean fixed the universe, she was at full potential, when she was having a hard time, she probably wasn't at even half her potantial. that's the way it is, you always have omega-level power.

Sigh...Cresh, I can see the problem you're having here.

Okay, SF. Try to understand this. If she was ALWAYS at that level, she wouldn't struggle the way she did during Legion Quest. Having the potential and being at that level are TWO DIFFERENT things.

Iceman, for example (as Cresh already pointed out) started out as a crappy snowman. He wasn't always powerful. Slowly, through training and other realizations, he finally figured out his true power. He didn't just unlock it, he had to work for it. Now he's god-like.

Same with Jean. She may have always been an omega-level mutant, but she didn't always have the power. She had to realize it through training and other such things.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
That was the most logical post you've ever made.

Wrong at some points, but still logical nonetheless.

Okay, Storm's electrical field is not going to stop TK. TK is basically physical attacks produced from the mind. Attacks that can easily penetrate a "force field" produced by Storm since they are psionic in origin. Next you're going to tell me that Storm's electromagnetic fields deflect telepathic attacks as well. Storm's attacks will not be faster than Betsy's thoughts, I'm sorry. Just accept that.

I'm assuming Storm's most devestating attack is lightning. And if that's true, then Betsy easily blocks it with her TK. This is, of course, assuming that Betsy hasn't already killed her.

And I never said who Betsy would take out first for reason--that Betsy can take them all out (save Colossus) with one stroke. That's all it takes. Hell, for Wolverine, she can even make an exception and pull his heart and brain out of his body or something. If it doesn't kill him, it's still a KO and a win for her.

So you say that Betsy doesn't have enhanced reflexes. Are you then saying that Storm does? Cuz if you are saying this, I'm going to have to call you a big ol' poopy-head. As well as a liar.

If anything, Betsy's reflexes are better than Storm's, being a ninja and all. As well as the #1 assassin in Japan.

And the experience thing. Storm was first introduced in 1975. Psylocke was first introduced in 1976. And they've both been fighting pretty consistantly since then. I'd definitely go so far as to say that experience is not much of a factor here in the slightest. In fact, yes. That's exactly what I'm saying.

So, after all that, Psylocke DEFINITELY has the big edge here. There's just nothing the others can do to an uber powerful telekinetic who's immune to telepathic attacks. That includes Storm.

storms electrical field has already stopped tk attacks. when storm fought candra, czandra unleashed tk attacks, and storm's electrical force-field was deflecting all of the tk attacks. and shifting the electromagnetic field does scramble incoming tp assualts, that's common knowlege in marvel. yes, the speed of electricity is faster than the speed of tk, so the attack itself is faster. storm easily affects the insides of force-fields. and betsy isn't fast enough to grab the lightning itself considering it moves faster than she can comprehend. i have never said that storm has enhanced reaction time, and neither does betsy which makes the fight more even. if anything storm would be just under betsy if nnot on par with her seeing as she's the best fighter and pickpocket in cairo, and has more expierence than betsy. storm has been fighting all her life, since she was six. and she hasn't taken a break from the team for 15 years, and when she did she was hardly gone. now when you take into account that betsy hasn't been fighting all her life, was introduced a whole year later, and has been dead for the past year, storm definitley has more expierence.

storms electrical field has already stopped tk attacks. when storm fought candra, czandra unleashed tk attacks, and storm's electrical force-field was deflecting all of the tk attacks.

No, Candra was firing psi-bolts.

Psi-bolt is different thing then telekinesis. It's energy.

Candra's field was stopping Storm's lightning too.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Same with Jean. She may have always been an omega-level mutant, but she didn't always have the power. She had to realize it through training and other such things.

this is excatley what i have been saying, except she had the power. an omega always has the power, except they just don't realize it. hows this um.......say you have the potential to be the strongest person in the world, but you don't know it. eventually you gain confidence and more training ang you do become the strongest person in the world. the power was always there, just not the belief or the confidence.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
No, Candra was firing psi-bolts.

Psi-bolt is different thing then telekinesis. It's energy.

Candra's field was stopping Storm's lightning too.

and you assume this because? psi-bolts don't have a pshyical form persay. candra was surrounded in a pink bubble, and from the pink bubble, energy was coming, so unless you can make a field is tp, the only other alternative is tk. the tk was bouncing off storms field.

Originally posted by stormfront13
and you assume this because? psi-bolts don't have a pshyical form persay. candra was surrounded in a pink bubble, and from the pink bubble, energy was coming, so unless you can make a field is tp, the only other alternative is tk. the tk was bouncing off storms field.

CANDRA

Real Name: Unknown
Universe/Timeline: Marvel Universe
Current Status: Deceased
Aliases: The Benefactress, Candra of the Floating Spires
Nationality: American
First Appearance: Gambit (1st series) #1
Last Appearance: X-Men (2nd series) #61
Cause of Death:
Heart gem destroyed by Cyclops, dispersing her life essence

Powers and Abilities:
telekinetic powers allow her to levitate and direct nearby objects, project psionic force bolts, propel herself through the air, cloak herself and others from detection, and activate or disable superhuman powers in others

Originally posted by stormfront13
storms electrical field has already stopped tk attacks. when storm fought candra, czandra unleashed tk attacks, and storm's electrical force-field was deflecting all of the tk attacks. and shifting the electromagnetic field does scramble incoming tp assualts, that's common knowlege in marvel. yes, the speed of electricity is faster than the speed of tk, so the attack itself is faster. storm easily affects the insides of force-fields. and betsy isn't fast enough to grab the lightning itself considering it moves faster than she can comprehend. i have never said that storm has enhanced reaction time, and neither does betsy which makes the fight more even. if anything storm would be just under betsy if nnot on par with her seeing as she's the best fighter and pickpocket in cairo, and has more expierence than betsy. storm has been fighting all her life, since she was six. and she hasn't taken a break from the team for 15 years, and when she did she was hardly gone. now when you take into account that betsy hasn't been fighting all her life, was introduced a whole year later, and has been dead for the past year, storm definitley has more expierence.

Call me crazy, but I'd definitely put all my money on the #1 assassin in Japan against the #1 pickpocket and fighter in Cairo. That's just me though.

Okay, this attack speed thing. You're clearly not reading my posts or just don't understand. Storm's electricity attacks require two actions. Her to think them, and then for them to happen.

Betsy's TK, however, is the one action. She just thinks it. It goes with her speed of thought. As she thinks it, it happens. Not like Storm, who thinks it, then it happens. Betsy's is hand in hand with her thoughts.

And yes, I'd definitely say that Betsy has better reflexes than Storm. You can disagree all you want, but I know the truth. Being an incredibly skilled-ninja will do that to you.

And if you wanna get REALLY technical...Betsy does have more experience. First there's Besty Braddock. Then there's Kwannon. Put them together, you have all of their experience together. So, Psylocke has both the experience of the English-born Betsy Braddock (which is still quite a bit) and the experience of the #1 assassin in Japan: Kwannon. So now I change my previous statement. Betsy does indeed have more experience than Storm.

Storm can't win here.

And Darkcrawler already beat me to the rest.

Originally posted by stormfront13
yes, you are born an omega.

Originally posted by stormfront13
when you are either born you are, or you aren't.

Originally posted by stormfront13
as i have already said, you awlays have omega level power,

Originally posted by stormfront13
but it's about reaching your full potential.

Originally posted by stormfront13
when jean fixed the universe, she was at full potential,

Originally posted by stormfront13
when she was having a hard time, she probably wasn't at even half her potantial.

Originally posted by stormfront13
that's the way it is, you always have omega-level power.

Originally posted by stormfront13
this is excatley what i have been saying, except she had the power.

And look: *gasp*

Human form for iceman, not being made of ice in the shape of a man
http://www.alteredvisions.org/Titles/Uncanny/Images/iceman.gif

Originally posted by stormfront13
an omega always has the power,

Originally posted by stormfront13
except they just don't realize it. hows this um.......say you have the potential to be the strongest person in the world, but you don't know it. eventually you gain confidence and more training ang you do become the strongest person in the world. the power was always there, just not the belief or the confidence.

Originally posted by stormfront13
storm has enough to resist emma for the half a second it takes to summon lightning.

And she goes down to TK.

I'm staring to regret putting in Betsy exchange her for classic psylocke.

Then either Psylocke or Emma win.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Then either Psylocke or Emma win.

Probably psylocke again. There was never a true contest to my knowledge, but I've always believed Betsy's TP was SLIGHTLY better.

And even if they stalemated, Emma would turn to diamond. And then Psylocke would have a field day on her mind (since Emma can't use TP when in diamond form). And then there's the psi-blades. Those'll mess Emma up nicely.

Actually Emma CAN use her telepathy in her diamond form. She got over this weakness. She's been showing to do this ALOT in New and Astonishing X-Men.

Originally posted by Draco69
Actually Emma CAN use her telepathy in her diamond form. She got over this weakness. She's been showing to do this ALOT in New and Astonishing X-Men.

Is that right? Well then, I stand corrected. I've been boycotting Astonishing, so I didn't know this. And I couldn't stand the art in New X-men, so I didn't read that either.

Well, even if she does do that, Betsy's still got her psi-blades, which can either KO or kill a person with one shot. So, even if Emma goes diamond, Betsy's FAR SUPERIOR fighting skills allow her to plunge a psi-blade into her head. Psylocke still wins, but now not as easily as I once thought.

Why are you boycotting Astonishing? 😬

If this was just classic Betsy and Emma then I don't know who the victor would be they've always been relatively close. I can't remember if classic Betsy could effectively use telepathy when she focused her power into her psychic knives.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Why are you boycotting Astonishing? 😬

If this was just classic Betsy and Emma then I don't know who the victor would be they've always been relatively close. I can't remember if classic Betsy could effectively use telepathy when she focused her power into her psychic knives.

I dunno...something about...I'm not sure what it is...but I don't like it.

The art kinda rubs me the wrong way, too. I'm very picky when it comes to what art I like.

The ONLY good thing to come from Astonishing X-men is the bringing back of Colossus.

And on a completely unrelated topic: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=56#comic

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Why are you boycotting Astonishing? 😬

If this was just classic Betsy and Emma then I don't know who the victor would be they've always been relatively close. I can't remember if classic Betsy could effectively use telepathy when she focused her power into her psychic knives.

when she had the psychic knife on the back of her hand thing going on that seemed to be the only way for her to use her TP. . .

But it raises the questions of how did she do that shapeshifting thing exactly, and why didn't it work on wolverine exactly? Seems like every other evil villian orginization has had him brainwashed at one point or another. . .