Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Yup, the one where he said he can absorb magic from anything. Juntai did a fine example with the rest. He's even left the imps powerless right now and is running around unchecked. Permission or not, he's still the manifestation of God's wrath.
Obviously not anything if he got his own powers stolen.
And he said what he said, I still don't see how Shazam who borrows powers from other beings can even be compared to the Vishanti. Shazam's peers are Ganthet, Highfather, and Zeus. That's like saying beating Odin or Zuras would be the same as beating Galactus. Odin and the Uni-Mind couldn't even affect a Celestial so no way can they even beat the Vishanti.
Originally posted by Juntai
Koth-Shugoth an elder God from the previous universe, for example, who was going destroy the entire third dimension. A feat far above Loki, Kalibak, Thor and Orion could ever do.
Koth was DC's version of Shuma Gorath, who was a version of Cthulhu. Gorath merged with it's own dimension, yet Strange beat Gorath after absorbing the power of Gorath's lieutenant. Gorath's very existence in the normal universe would destroy galaxies.
He also defeated Anti Monitor.
Monsueir Stigmonus.
Parallax.
He wasn't a rogue back then. Power level's obviously different since Parallax and Anti-Monitor is far above Shazam in power. And Shazam, even Cap Marvel was giving Spectre a hard time. Rogue Spectre won only by absorbing Shazam's magic.
He erased Darkseid from history, then remade him.
He's destroyed or recreated the universe many times.
Post Crisis Darkseid is not Galactus level. Heck, he's even below Rune Thor. And we're talking about rogue Spectre who got his powers stolen and even had a hard time against Shazam.
Spectre clearly outranks the people named, save maybe Pheonix who has rarely if ever shown any combat power worthy of mention, even Professor X had shut down Pheonix with a simple mental attack..[They may both be aspects of god in a way, but Spectre's aspect is the aspect that fights and kills.]And didn't King Thor get his power stripped by Dr Strange a magic wielder no where near the level of Spectre?
Spectre varies in power. He goes up and down. Point is we're talking about "current" rogue Spectre. At the height of his power, he can stomped Anti-Monitor. In this form, he had trouble against Shazam.
Agamotto, Hoggoth, and Oshtur are three beings far above Shazam or Marvel Odin in power. Absorbing magic from Shazam is far different from doing that against these three, all the while defending against them and five other beings with immense power.
Heck, even with all that Earth magic backing Marvel up, I doubt Cap was even skyfather level.