Originally posted by Juntai
Spectre volume 3 issue 60 Micheal came asking Spectre for help.. http://www.dcuguide.com/Spec/Spec3_060.php That one. He came to Spectre with his own flaming sword stuck in his chest.Then the one for Lucifer, is wierd, because it wasn't full confrontational like a fight, but Spectre kept wrapping him up and doing different things, neither one actually seemed to damage the other, and then in the end it just played out as a talk. -- but Hal was percieving him differently, just as he seemed to percieve everything different than Corrigan did. To Hal, Heaven and Hell and the material world and pretty much creation as a whole are just perceptions rather than locations/people/things. It's hard to explain, but they met for the first time in issue one. Hal's run as Spectre wasn't as a good vs evil as Corrigan was, and definately not as basic as they portray him in a lot of crossovers. It was a mind trip. So it's not neccisarly the Lucifer you're looking for from Lucifer comics, at least in drawing, though they are very similar mentally... and definately the person recognized as king of hell. I believe even had some words about Micheal and The Presence.
Ok thanx J. What issue of Spectre did Lucifer and Spectre fight in?
Originally posted by GalacticStormSoon as I get the willpower I'll dig through the series, but I'm thinking they had a scuffle in issue 1, and he was trying to get Hal to question God, then again later in the series I think they had another confrontation..
Ok thanx J. What issue of Spectre did Lucifer and Spectre fight in?
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
[B]No. I think YOU are missing the point. You are bringing this up because you desperately need an argument to cling to. The story doesn't call for it. It's as ridiculous as bringing up Thanos putting together the infinity gauntlet when there are omnipotent beings with cosmic awareness that should have known better. Why didn't living tribunal stop it.. especially the 2nd time when he went after HOTU?
Thanos used the Infinity Well to find the gems, which were entrusted to be protected by Champion, Runner, Grandmaster, Gardener, etc. Furthermore, he was allowed to do so only because of Death (Eternity's equal). Eternity did try to stop him. LT refused Eternity's appeal. Thanos was not a threat to existence; he merely wanted to replace Eternity and balance out life and death as Mistress Death wanted.
What part of Spectre taking away the Imps powers did you not understand? Why would the endless or Micheal get involved? How many times has the universe been in chaos without any of them showing their face?
What part of Imps aren't magic don't YOU understand? Furthermore, why wouldn't Michael or the Endless be involved if Mxy is? Imps aren't magical.
You mean when Joker had part of Mxy's power? The same Mxy who is currently a powerless absent minded hobo without any power BECAUSE of spectre? Ruin took him out with a bullet. So much for that theory.
That's the Mxy I'm talking about. Funny how he stomps Mxy easily while having to struggle with Shazam and CM.
Since when do comics make sense? Thanos had the infinitely gauntlet, yet Spiderman nearly knocks him down. Galactus gets stopped all the time even though he can supposedly level galaxies...etc etc. It's called pacing...and DC has done a fine job of it this year with all their stories tying in nicely.
Thanos with the IG? Did you miss the many times it stated that he weakened himself to impress Death by giving the heroes a chance? It was stated over and over. When he was at normal IG level, he brushed off Eternity, Galactus, Chaos, Order, Death, two Celestials, and Mephisto.
Galactus has always been either full or hungry. Heck, the FF has helped stop him before but because he was hungry - that's always been how writters have made him.
Seriously, if you and I sat in a room and wrote down all the inconsistencies in comics and got $1 for each one, we'd be rich.
And I'd be rich too if I wrote the same excuse everytime to point out the inconsistencies regarding Thanos.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Thanos used the Infinity Well to find the gems, which were entrusted to be protected by Champion, Runner, Grandmaster, Gardener, etc. Furthermore, he was allowed to do so only because of Death (Eternity's equal). Eternity did try to stop him. LT refused Eternity's appeal. Thanos was not a threat to existence; he merely wanted to replace Eternity and balance out life and death as Mistress Death wanted.
Yes, and LT made such a wise decision...so wise that he STILL had to get involved at some point. Later on the same guy stomps him with the HOTU.
When Asmodel took over Spectres mantle, he was damn near unstoppable. He sure as hell didn't have permission from god to go around whoopin everyone either.
Originally posted by Beyonder
What part of Imps aren't magic don't YOU understand? Furthermore, why wouldn't Michael or the Endless be involved if Mxy is? Imps aren't magical.
Once again, What part don't YOU get?
Not magic? ...so much for that... Don't know how you missed this scan...
Originally posted by Beyonder
That's the Mxy I'm talking about. Funny how he stomps Mxy easily while having to struggle with Shazam and CM.
Again with this useless "point"
Once again you're struggling to downplay DC for some reason.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Thanos with the IG? Did you miss the many times it stated that he weakened himself to impress Death by giving the heroes a chance? It was stated over and over. When he was at normal IG level, he brushed off Eternity, Galactus, Chaos, Order, Death, two Celestials, and Mephisto.Galactus has always been either full or hungry. Heck, the FF has helped stop him before but because he was hungry - that's always been how writters have made him.
He turned of his cosmic senses, he still had the power of the gems. Big difference. So Spiderman = Power gem? He had to go back to full power because he nearly lost the gauntlet.
How many times are people going to use that excuse for Galactus?
"Oh, he was hungry, Oh..he was weak.." so what? It's still a bunch of humans.
Originally posted by Beyonder
And I'd be rich too if I wrote the same excuse everytime to point out the inconsistencies regarding Thanos.
Yes, we all would if we did that with practically every character that's seen print.
well it has now been shown at least 2 times (from what ive seen and read lately) that The Spectre has beaten 2 very powerful 5 D Imp beings that use Magic or what they call Super Science. This Spectre is without a host which doesn't bring him down in power or get in the way of his true powers, he is shown as being almost unbeatable without a host. in a recent Superman comic it shows The Spectre going up against thousands and thousands of phantoms/dead beings/beings from hell and he was treating them as nothing.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
[B]Yes, and LT made such a wise decision...so wise that he STILL had to get involved at some point. Later on the same guy stomps him with the HOTU.
At what point? Only when Warlock had it. Even then, Eternity had to make a case against Warlock.
You blame the LT getting stomped by the HOTU when TOAA planned all along? I guess it would be a bad showing for Spectre too if Presence planned and tricked Darkseid into gaining omnipotence and then stomp Spectre huh?
When Asmodel took over Spectres mantle, he was damn near unstoppable. He sure as hell didn't have permission from god to go around whoopin everyone either.
Um what now? And who worth damn intervened? Kismet? Highfather, Yuga Khan, Ganthet, Michael?
Once again, What part don't YOU get?
Not magic? ...so much for that... Don't know how you missed this scan...
Which part? In this arc he's got magic but he ain't even magic actuality. It's always because he's from a higher dimension. And how funny Mxy gets stomped while Shazam and CM last rounds.
Again with this useless "point"
Once again you're struggling to downplay DC for some reason.
Downplay what?
He turned of his cosmic senses, he still had the power of the gems. Big difference. So Spiderman = Power gem? He had to go back to full power because he nearly lost the gauntlet.
He reduced his power. Other had taken peoples head if with his punches. Or do you really think Doom survived the blast from the IG that took out the Celestials?
He want back to full power after he stomped every hero. At full might, he blow up two Celestials along with dozens of planets.
How many times are people going to use that excuse for Galactus?
"Oh, he was hungry, Oh..he was weak.." so what? It's still a bunch of humans.
Same way people use excuses like Spectre hosts was a newbie, Spectre had a host, Spectre didn't have Presence backing him up.
And funny how a silly clown obtained Imp powers and caged Spectre. Sure sure, you've got your excuses. But when it came down to it, it was still a nutty clown...not even Reed Richards.
Originally posted by Beyonder
At what point? Only when Warlock had it. Even then, Eternity had to make a case against Warlock.You blame the LT getting stomped by the HOTU when TOAA planned all along? I guess it would be a bad showing for Spectre too if Presence planned and tricked Darkseid into gaining omnipotence and then stomp Spectre huh?
Thank you. You helped prove my point about why higher beings don't need to get involved if the story doesnt call for it. You had to go all the way to the Presence to try and make a point. 🙂
By the way...proof that Thanos was tricked would be nice.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Um what now? And who worth damn intervened? Kismet? Highfather, Yuga Khan, Ganthet, Michael?
Kismet, Highfather, Yuga Khan, and Ganthet are Insane Spectre worthy opponents? Nope. Micheal can beat the vishanti by himself as well. Useless point.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Which part? In this arc he's got magic but he ain't even magic actuality. It's always because he's from a higher dimension. And how funny Mxy gets stomped while Shazam and CM last rounds.
With the long written responses you have given me, I assume that you can read the scan. It clearly says "magic" and "can't cast a spell."
Mxy is far more powerful than those 2, so what are you trying to prove here? Just get to it and stop going around it.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Downplay what?
Basically anything DC.
Originally posted by Beyonder
He reduced his power. Other had taken peoples head if with his punches. Or do you really think Doom survived the blast from the IG that took out the Celestials?He want back to full power after he stomped every hero. At full might, he blow up two Celestials along with dozens of planets.
He turned off his cosmic senses and nearly lost. Show where it says he weakened himself. I'll be waiting. Spiderman still nearly knocked him down, and Masterson Ko'd him briefly.
No different than the point you are trying to justify against Spectre.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Same way people use excuses like Spectre hosts was a newbie, Spectre had a host, Spectre didn't have Presence backing him up.And funny how a silly clown obtained Imp powers and caged Spectre. Sure sure, you've got your excuses. But when it came down to it, it was still a nutty clown...not even Reed Richards.
Who are these people you are talking about? Your nutty clown did well against a normal Spectre once at partial Mxy power, but we are talking about now. 😉 Stop desperately trying to cling to this useless point. Full power Mxy alone can beat the Vishanti as well.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Thank you. You helped prove my point about why higher beings don't need to get involved if the story doesnt call for it. You had to go all the way to the Presence to try and make a point. 🙂
By the way...proof that Thanos was tricked would be nice.
? Eternity appealed, LT refused due to Thanos not posing a threat to existence. Which Thanos never did. Warlock was unstable and Eternity proved it. LT removed the IG from Warlock because he was a threat to existence. Story for what now?
Kismet, Highfather, Yuga Khan, and Ganthet are Insane Spectre worthy opponents? Nope. Micheal can beat the vishanti by himself as well. Useless point.
Against Asmodel with Spectre's powers. Who intervened then? Superman.
As for Michael, Michael and the Vishanti have nothing to do with my argument. Your the one who claimed Asmodel ran around with Spectre's powers and being near unstoppable. If so, who worth damn intervened? Superman?
With the long written responses you have given me, I assume that you can read the scan. It clearly says "magic" and "can't cast a spell."
Mxy is far more powerful than those 2, so what are you trying to prove here? Just get to it and stop going around it.
Yes, I guess your right. It's magic. And the story calls for it. Mxy getting owned wasn't even worth any pages though he clearly is more power than both Shazam and CM. 🙄
Basically anything DC.
No different from you and Marvel.
He turned off his cosmic senses and nearly lost. Show where it says he weakened himself. I'll be waiting. Spiderman still nearly knocked him down, and Masterson Ko'd him briefly.
No different than the point you are trying to justify against Spectre.
I guess you missed that issue where Chaos and Order going all out couldn't hurt him or Galactus as well. But yet Spiderman could? Guess your right, Spiderman hits harder than Chaos and Order.
Who are these people you are talking about? Your nutty clown did well against a normal Spectre once at partial Mxy power, but we are talking about now. 😉 Stop desperately trying to cling to this useless point. Full power Mxy alone can beat the Vishanti as well. [/B]
This was in response to you B.S.ing my argument for Galactus being beaten by humans. Why are you acting like a loon about this?
Originally posted by Beyonder
? Eternity appealed, LT refused due to Thanos not posing a threat to existence. Which Thanos never did. Warlock was unstable and Eternity proved it. LT removed the IG from Warlock because he was a threat to existence. Story for what now?
Well, We both know LT was wrong, don't we? But...he didn't intervene, Just like the presence, Micheal, or Lucifer haven't gotten into it with Spectre. Thanks for playing...
Originally posted by Beyonder
Against Asmodel with Spectre's powers. Who intervened then? Superman.As for Michael, Michael and the Vishanti have nothing to do with my argument. Your the one who claimed Asmodel ran around with Spectre's powers and being near unstoppable. If so, who worth damn intervened? Superman?
Superman had nothing to do with stopping Spectre. The one who stopped Spectre was.... Spectre...
Originally posted by Beyonder
Yes, I guess your right. It's magic. And the story calls for it. Mxy getting owned wasn't even worth any pages though he clearly is more power than both Shazam and CM. 🙄
No different than....
Originally posted by Beyonder
This was in response to you B.S.ing my argument for Galactus being beaten by humans. Why are you acting like a loon about this?
this....
Originally posted by Beyonder
I guess you missed that issue where Chaos and Order going all out couldn't hurt him or Galactus as well. But yet Spiderman could? Guess your right, Spiderman hits harder than Chaos and Order.
and this... Thanks.🙂 Either way Imps are plenty powerful even by your admission, and they have officially been owned.
Originally posted by Beyonder
No different from you and Marvel.
Predictable. Unlike you, I go by power, not by company.
By the way, I grew up reading Marvel & Image, not DC.
Nothing else to be said on my end, so continue to roll your eyes and fabricate arguments. I turn this over to other posters. 😉
