Originally posted by long pig
He did it with SKILL alone. That's why he's so potent when powered up.
Slade is no Shiva without the upgrades. How would skill allow him to even damage Aquaman who is by far faster, stronger and has him on every stats cept brain process? Only reason why he'd logically survive was his equipment that Spider-man can predict right before he even launches any.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Slade is no Shiva without the upgrades. How would skill allow him to even damage Aquaman who is by far faster, stronger and has him on every stats cept brain process? Only reason why he'd logically survive was his equipment that Spider-man can predict right before he even launches any.
So, the writers say he's equal, the writers say he can hang with Flash for a few steps, the writers say he can lift 5 tons...but you say otherwise? Hmm...are you srank? 😈
How would he beat AM? By shooting/stabbing/netting/blowing him up. Slade's arsenal is MADE to handle people like Superboy. AM, at that time, was below current Superboy.
Oh, and I doubt AM is more agile or a better fighter than DS.
Originally posted by long pig He's very close to shiva. Gail Simone, on her website, says she sees no difference between Shiva/Slade in the skill depo.
Yeah....... not that depowered that is
So, the writers say he's equal, the writers say he can hang with Flash for a few steps, the writers say he can lift 5 tons...but you say otherwise? Hmm...are you srank? 😈
The writers can say all they want. AFAIK Slade has never done anything to prove that in his appearances. And do you also think 5 tons means really that much to Spider-man who is going by 15 tons and could exert more in comics?
How would he beat AM? By shooting/stabbing/netting/blowing him up. Slade's arsenal is MADE to handle people like Superboy. AM, at that time, was below current Superboy.
Once more...equipment. AM doesn't have the spider-sense to warn him of attacks Slade could use to suprise him with. Slade arsenal is made to handle people it could hit. And AM at that time until now didn't get any upgrades AFAIK cept for the TP increase and hand replacements(water, harpoon)
Oh, and I doubt AM is more agile or a better fighter than DS. [/B]
Better fighter yeah. More agile doubtful. Bearing on this match, not that much any difference.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
[B]Yeah....... not that depowered that is
The writers can say all they want. AFAIK Slade has never done anything to prove that in his appearances. And do you also think 5 tons means really that much to Spider-man who is going by 15 tons and could exert more in comics?
Spiderman lifts 15 tons, it's alot, but doesn't mean very much when there is little skill behind it. A normal human can break huge bricks and boulders by using skill. Slade is skilled to the highest degree, his 5ton strength will be used more effectively than Spiderman's less-skilled 15 ton strength. When Slade punches SM, it'll HURT....BADLY. When Slade goes for nerve strikes...SM will FEEL IT.
Slade's suit is a hell of a lot more durable than Spiderman's skin.
Once more...equipment. AM doesn't have the spider-sense to warn him of attacks Slade could use to suprise him with. Slade arsenal is made to handle people it could hit.
Slade also has radar similar to Daredevil's built into his suit. That'll help warn him of attacks, too.
Better fighter yeah. More agile doubtful. Bearing on this match, not that much any difference.
I've said it millions of times...at the end of the fight, Slade is K.O'd and Spiderman is dead. A stalemate, but only one will wake back up.
But, let's recap.
Who's stronger? SM
Faster? Equal. SM gets the slight edge only due to his spidey sense.
Smarter? Slade
More Agile? SM. No doubt about it. But, Slade's agility is still superhuman.
More Durable? Slade (Flash said hitting Slade is akin to hitting a brick wall. Plus the healing)
Better Fighter? Slade, by multiples.
Better Weapons? Slade, by multiples.
Better Healing? Slade, but a lot.
3-5, Slade has him beat. But....I could see a stalemate.
Originally posted by long pigI...what?
She was referring to the current slade along with everything he is now.
He proved it in every comic he's ever been in. Especially his comics where he's depowered. He's taking on superhumans with skill alone.
Nope. He took most of them with considerable one-sided prep. The other times that happen could be dismissed off as PIS like kazar taking on thanos.
Spiderman lifts 15 tons, it's alot, but doesn't mean very much when there is little skill behind it. A normal human can break huge bricks and boulders by using skill. Slade is skilled to the highest degree, his 5ton strength will be used more effectively than Spiderman's less-skilled 15 ton strength. When Slade punches SM, it'll HURT....BADLY. When Slade goes for nerve strikes...SM will FEEL IT.
He has fought guys with skill similar to Slade and won, not because of skill alone but because his stats speak for themselves and his instincts. And Spider-man also has developed his own methods on fighting based a lot on his power set and has acknowledged having protocols just like most people in MU to take down other hero/villain. His punches would effect Spider-man in some way but he'll turn the table by predicting his next moves and smack him around.
Slade's suit is a hell of a lot more durable than Spiderman's skin.
While that's true. Spider-man's durability allows him to hang with the Hulk, Rhino, Scorpion, etc without having Slade's regen.
For god's sake, man. Spiderman can be hit. He gets hit every issue. He can't dodge everything. Remember Goblin? How does Goblin overwhelm Spiderman's Spider sense? Tons of grenades. Hm....I wonder if Slade has tons of grenades?
Uhmmm GG is near his level in stats, has bullet proof armore w/ semi bulletproof skin, has tons of equipment specifically designed for fighting him and knows his identity not to mention being obsessed with him. Yes Spider-man can get hit, that's true. But it's somewhere also along the lines of Spider-man being able to disarm Slade of his weapons or Knock him out with several blows. Most of the time he got his was because of good' ol CIS of ignoring his SS. Other's are just plain PIS.
Slade also has radar similar to Daredevil's built into his suit. That'll help warn him of attacks, too.
Radar??? You know, it's not radar sense and would only be helpful if he's trying to find possible ambush and not on actual fights.
[/QUOTE]Doesn't matter at all actually.
I've said it millions of times...at the end of the fight, Slade is K.O'd and Spiderman is dead. A stalemate, but only one will wake back up.[/QUOTE]
A K.O is enough to get a win. Spider-man getting killed is just a possibility along with Spider-man ravaging Slade's body enough, regen couldn't help him.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
[B]She was referring to the current slade along with everything he is now.
Nope. He took most of them with considerable one-sided prep. The other times that happen could be dismissed off as PIS like kazar taking on thanos.
He has fought guys with skill similar to Slade and won
Ever wonder why SM villains are all dumb/crazy/obssessed? Because SM isn't good at fighting people who are more skilled AND smarter than he is.
His punches would effect Spider-man in some way but he'll turn the table by predicting his next moves and smack him around.
Spiderman's durability is horribly low. He'd feel it 99%
Radar??? You know, it's not radar sense and would only be helpful if he's trying to find possible ambush and not on actual fights.
Originally posted by long pig
Uhm...no.
The question was posed to answer this exact question. Is Slade as skilled as Shiva? Yes, he's written as her equal in skill. The question of Flash v Slade was posed to wolfman, he said Slade can indeed hang for the first few steps
Actually there was no mention of whether she was referring to his raw skills alone. Don't forget that the process of turning him into meta also reflects on his thinking process and stats. He developed his latent skills through them. And no, i think it's bs that Slade can hang with Flash unless of course Flash is jobbing.
He took them with prep and without prep. He's taken on a couple dozen thugs and beat every single one without being touched....all while depowered.
But you're missing the point. Most it comes with prep and there is no denying that.
No, not really.Ever wonder why SM villains are all dumb/crazy/obssessed? Because SM isn't good at fighting people who are more skilled AND smarter than he is.
Riiiiiight. how come 40 years of the character disagree with you? GG alone could prove more than a match or equal to DS. The only reason you are seeing Slade alive till now is that plenty of people job to him. He figts people who can downright murder him when provoked like the titans.
Some way?Spiderman's durability is horribly low. He'd feel it 99%
wow, just wow. Horibly low. Care to try to make a fight between slade and the hulk, or ironman 2020, or digger, or other brick who are multiple folds stronger than Slade?
It keeps Spiderman from taking to higher ground and blindsiding Slade. Once SM realizes Slade's abilities, he'd not want to fight up close.[/B] [/QUOTE]
He took them with prep and without prep. He's taken on a couple dozen thugs and beat every single one without being touched....all while depowered.
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counter for nearly every projectile he throws cept the rifle
not durable??
fight with hulk
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fight with Namor
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what's that lone pig? 99%
how bout speed and SS
blitzing/maximum spider/whatever it is called
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money makes the world go 'round but SS and reflexes slows it for you
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some more coming right after probably tom.
He shot the flash.nuf said. no way in HELL is spiderman dodging ANY shot by slade. Spiderman can't predict slades moves because slade thinks a minimum of 10x as fast as spider-man.oh and he shot the Flash.I know I already said that but it bears repeating because compared to the flash spider-man is standing still.
Please people. do not stoop down like that. Flash is FTL faster than even big blue himself if he wants to. There are things like inaccuracies, PIS, SMvFl that exists. That feat with Flash just happens to overload the PIS meter. Someone who can evacuate an entire city within a span of some seconds, go so fast he time travels and dimension hops, vibrate to allow phasing, use IMP fall under a guy who is just superhumanly enhance is just plain bs.
Slade is great, i would admit that. This fight isn't as lopsided as people might get the impression of me protesting, however this just doesn't go to Slade's favor. And the feats entailing anyone in the main JLA crew such the flash or his other counterparts like Kid Flash/Impulse is just plain jobbing.
One more thing, I already provided a scan on how Pete views the surrounding a while ago.
Wow. Look Slad is a tough guy, but Spider-Man wins. He doesn't own but he wins. How is Slade's reflexes faster than Spider-Man's?! So Slade's is 10x human. Spidey's is 40x! Its in his handbook if you wanna check. Spidey is stronger, faster, more agile, has better reflexes, plus has his spider-sense. Deathstroke has his weapons, but Spidey won't get touched. Plus he has his webs. Deathstroke is strong, but by the time he manages to break free Spidey hits him with a speed blitz. Spidey wins 7/10
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