Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Really? That's the standard? 😑 I mean, take out the MB and Orion's godly forcefield, it's a much better fight, but even then I'd give Orion 7/10 at least. I just don't see how Majestic can win if Orion is going all out.
No, I'm just saying....there are plenty of fights on the forum that go 8/10, or even a full 10/10.
It's not a spite thread unless the original poster has something against one or both characters.
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Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Didn't Orion one-shot Superman while using the harness?
Orion has historically been roughly even with Supes. They've had 4 in continuity now, 5 if you seperate those from Supes confidential. Orion was definitively superior during the Byrne era, IMHO, and did better against a sun amped Supes than the rest of the JLA combined (Wonder Woman, Kyle Rayner and Martian Manhunter included), they stalemated once briefly and mostly off panel in Ostrander's Martian Manhunter run, and then there is the Superman Confidential example where Orion one shotted him with Astro Force in one example, but did get thrown for a loop by Supes via strength and speed earlier.
The Byrne Superman example was the most definitive, though, as Orion casually backhanded Supes away, took his punches while thinking calmly, and actually had to aim around Supes with 'surgical precision' with the Astro Force rather than hit him directly for fear of killing him.
Originally posted by Desaad
Orion has historically been roughly even with Supes. They've had 4 in continuity now, 5 if you seperate those from Supes confidential. Orion was definitively superior during the Byrne era, IMHO, and did better against a sun amped Supes than the rest of the JLA combined (Wonder Woman, Kyle Rayner and Martian Manhunter included), they stalemated once briefly and mostly off panel in Ostrander's Martian Manhunter run, and then there is the Superman Confidential example where Orion one shotted him with Astro Force in one example, but did get thrown for a loop by Supes via strength and speed earlier.The Byrne Superman example was the most definitive, though, as Orion casually backhanded Supes away, took his punches while thinking calmly, and actually had to aim around Supes with 'surgical precision' with the Astro Force rather than hit him directly for fear of killing him.
Thanks. So how would you judge Orion's physical characteristics in comparison to Superman's?
Also, I'm sure I've seen you or someone with your name on the CBR forums.
Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Thanks. So how would you judge Orion's physical characteristics in comparison to Superman's?
Depends on the showing. He varies significantly. On average I'd put their physical stats about equal, with Superman faster and Orion far more skilled.
I think certain versions of Orion are a good bit stronger -- Simonson's version, for instance, specifically treated a 'class 100 slig' like he was nothing -- but taking into account direct comparisons and guest appearances, they seem pretty equal. And that's pretty astounding, given that guesting in another character's book almost always leads to a poor showing, I think.
Also, I'm sure I've seen you or someone with your name on the CBR forums.
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Originally posted by Desaad
Depends on the showing. He varies significantly. On average I'd put their physical stats about equal, with Superman faster and Orion far more skilled.I think certain versions of Orion are a good bit stronger -- Simonson's version, for instance, specifically treated a 'class 100 slig' like he was nothing -- but taking into account direct comparisons and guest appearances, they seem pretty equal. And that's pretty astounding, given that guesting in another character's book almost always leads to a poor showing, I think.
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Stop bullshitting Astro. Orion has never proved superior to a standard Superman in any way--directly or indirectly-- physically for strength.
Orion dominating a Class 100 character has nothing whatsoever to do with Superman.
But nice try with your dishonest biased nonsense as usual.
Superman is on par with Darkseid, and both of them are clearly stronger than Orion, who makes up with their physical superiority with his savagery and fighting skill.
Originally posted by panthergod
Stop bullshitting Astro. Orion has never proved superior to a standard Superman in any way--directly or indirectly-- physically for strength.Orion dominating a Class 100 character has nothing whatsoever to do with Superman.
But nice try with your dishonest biased nonsense as usual.
Superman is on par with Darkseid, and both of them are clearly stronger than Orion, who makes up with their physical superiority with his savagery and fighting skill.
Haha, still interminably bitter about the embarassment you sufferred on ICT?
Whatever, Jelly. You and I both know that Action 586 made Orion look considerably more impressive than Superman.
And Superman is on par with SOME versions of Darkseid, but certainly not all, and your are quite the proponent of the in continuity explanation for his showing-to-showing discrepancies. So Superman's showings against one version of Darkseid mean nothing.