Originally posted by Galan007
Energy feats for Orion that are comparable to transmuting the entirety of Jupiter instantly, and creating a duplicate Sun, as Majestic has?
He didn't actually transmute the chemical composition of Jupiter. He "caused" a transmutation of Jupiter's chemical composition by super heating it with his vision. And I don't think it was instantly. Wasn't he doing his space cheese feats for months on end?
And "creating a duplicate sun" is impressive, but your scan talks about how he sculpted and super heated a massive "star ingot". Then it goes on to say a "diminutive stand-in" for the earth's live giving sun. Like I said impressive, but u left those parts off.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17"caused it"=what I said... 😕
He didn't actually transmute the chemical composition of Jupiter. He "caused" a transmutation of Jupiter's chemical composition by super heating it with his vision. And I don't think it was instantly. Wasn't he doing his space cheese feats for months on end?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Those parts don't diminish the feat whatsoever, but thanks for posting them, I guess.
And "creating a duplicate sun" is impressive, but your scan talks about how he sculpted and super heated a massive "star ingot". Then it goes on to say a "diminutive stand-in" for the earth's live giving sun. Like I said impressive, but u left those parts off.
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Anyway, I still have yet to see proof pertaining to how Orion takes this. Speed feats are what I'm most curious to see on his behalf. People popping in and saying "Orion wins" without providing any sort of evidence on his behalf doesn't cut it for me. /shrug
Originally posted by Galan007
"caused it"=what I said... 😕Those parts don't diminish the feat whatsoever, but thanks for posting them, I guess.
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Anyway, I still have to see proof pertaining to how Orion takes this. Speed feats are what I'm most curious to see on his behalf. People popping in and saying "Orion wins" without providing any sort of evidence on his behalf doesn't cut it for me. /shrug
Astro Force+Mother Box+master of fighting (Example when he faced Valkyrie)+comparable strength+super speed=Win for me. Majestic has comparable fighting skills and is faster, but the Mother Box will help him, plus his senses.
Originally posted by Galan007
"caused it"=what I said... 😕Those parts don't diminish the feat whatsoever, but thanks for posting them, I guess.
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Anyway, I still have to see proof pertaining to how Orion takes this. Speed feats are what I'm most curious to see on his behalf. People popping in and saying "Orion wins" without providing any sort of evidence on his behalf doesn't cut it for me. /shrug
i'm curious--you're putting a lot of this down to speed. would you also say maj stomps thor for the same reason? or do you think thor handles speed better than orion? the speed angle just always seems like a bit of a slippery slope is all.
Originally posted by Golgo13Feats of Orion viewing particles as small as dust motes and photons whilst moving at trans-light velocities? Feats of Orion battling on a nanosecond-by-nanosecond basis?
Astro Force+Mother Box+master of fighting (Example when he faced Valkyrie)+comparable strength+super speed=Win for me. Majestic has comparable fighting skills and is faster, but the Mother Box will help him, plus his senses.
I have no problem with Orion winning, but if he has no battle speed feats that compare with Majestic, HOW is he winning?
Originally posted by leonidasSpeed is the same reason most hold Zoom in such a high regard.
i'm curious--you're putting a lot of this down to speed. would you also say maj stomps thor for the same reason? or do you think thor handles speed better than orion? the speed angle just always seems like a bit of a slippery slope is all.
Orion and Majestic are physical peers(with Maj likely having the better strength feats.) Majestic is, from what I've seen, MUCH faster in battle. Majestic [also] has very formidable energy attacks.
If Orion is too slow to defend against Majestic's offense, HOW is he winning?
Originally posted by Galan007
Feats of Orion viewing particles as small as dust motes and photons whilst moving at trans-light velocities? Feats of Orion battling on a nanosecond-by-nanosecond basis?I have no problem with Orion winning, but if he has no battle speed feats that compare with Majestic, HOW is he winning?
Orion has super speed of his own, so the gap isn't all that much, seeing as Majestic has never blitzed anyone and cut off their head, from my memory. Spartan has fought Majestic a few times and Majestic never speed blitzed.
So, Orion has chased the Black Racer, used super speed to try and tag Mr. Miracle, blizted Darkseid's elite, caught a bullet behind his back, while blind, fought DARKSEID at super speed (Simonson was picturing DBZ fights when he wrote this), dodged lasers, etc...) Plus there is the Valkyrie instance where she speed blitzed him from nowhere. Orion lost his warrior spirit or something and the Forever People were surprised because they said she wouldn't have gotten 20 ft of him or something. All due to his senses and speed.
Originally posted by Golgo13The speed gap IS that much, until CONFIRMED differently. Majestic HAS used his perception/reaction advantage in battle-- he did so against Spartan, in fact(this is when he perceived and reacted to Spartan's movements by the nanosecond.) And none of the feats you mentioned are very impressive, next to Majestic's confirmed feats.
Orion has super speed of his own, so the gap isn't all that much, seeing as Majestic has never blitzed anyone and cut off their head, from my memory. Spartan has fought Majestic a few times and Majestic never speed blitzed.So, Orion has chased the Black Racer, used super speed to try and tag Mr. Miracle, blizted Darkseid's elite, caught a bullet behind his back, while blind, fought DARKSEID at super speed (Simonson was picturing DBZ fights when he wrote this), dodged lasers, etc...) Plus there is the Valkyrie instance where she speed blitzed him from nowhere. Orion lost his warrior spirit or something and the Forever People were surprised because they said she wouldn't have gotten 20 ft of him or something. All due to his senses and speed.
Listen, I'm not saying the gap between Majestic and Orion is huge by any means, but Majestic would do at least as well as Superman against Orion-- and likely better, given that it is in character for him to use all of the abilities at his disposal against his opponent.
Originally posted by Golgo13The Black Racer's speed is capped at the speed of light-- this was explicitly stated. Furthermore, that is travel speed, which is vastly different than battle speed. The latter is what I'm looking for here.
Orion was racing FTL speeds when he was racing with BR, so, IMO it's not that big of a difference, ESPECIALLY when you have the Mother Box helping you to detect danger and enhancing the senses. So, not in my opinion.
So yeah, it is still a pretty big difference.
Originally posted by Galan007
Feats of Orion viewing particles as small as dust motes and photons whilst moving at trans-light velocities? Feats of Orion battling on a nanosecond-by-nanosecond basis?I have no problem with Orion winning, but if he has no battle speed feats that compare with Majestic, HOW is he winning?
Speed is the same reason most hold Zoom in such a high regard.
Orion and Majestic are physical peers(with Maj likely having the better strength feats.) Majestic is, from what I've seen, MUCH faster. Majestic [also] has very formidable energy attacks.
If Orion is too slow to defend against Majestic's offense, HOW is he winning?
i get what you're saying, but to me, i guess it would come down to how often maj uses a blitz of the type you're talking about. i don't know him well enough to say. i've been trying to recall a time where orion was flat out overwhelmed by someone's speed and can't really think of one. doesn't mean it hasn't happened though. to me it seems it might go in the same direction as superman/thor. by that i mean there would be a couple fights where speed would prove to be the actual difference maker in the fight, but in general thor could handle or withstand it and other factors would decide the fights. but maybe maj uses his speed more or more effectively than kal does?
Originally posted by leonidas
i get what you're saying, but to me, i guess it would come down to how often maj uses a blitz of the type you're talking about. i don't know him well enough to say. i've been trying to recall a time where orion was flat out overwhelmed by someone's speed and can't really think of one. doesn't mean it hasn't happened though. to me it seems it might go in the same direction as superman/thor. by that i mean there would be a couple fights where speed would prove to be the actual difference maker in the fight, but in general thor could handle or withstand it and other factors would decide the fights. but maybe maj uses his speed more or more effectively than kal does?
Orion has stalemated Superman before and was never overwhelmed.