ROTJ Vader and Luke versus Dooku

I'm curious to see what people think. Setting is a flat open parkinglot.

By open do you mean there are no cars?

Yeah, it's just a parking lot. Nothing to obstruct anything.

dooku kills them, eats there brains, shits on there corpses, and watches PPV.

Oh, then Dooku takes it without too much difficulty.

Dooku will simply PWN them

Okay, let me open it up a little:

Is there an instance where you can see the duo overcoming Dooku?

Well they could win if there were some debris and Dooku attacked Luke first giving Vader an opening.

I can't say I see Luke being such a distraction that Vader would have an opening.

well if dooku was sleeping....

I don't think they can coordinate with eachother well enough to overcome the Count. Not even Anakin and Obi-Wan could pull it off.

Agreed. Maybe if this was Dooku after his hands were severed off, then Vader and Luke might pull it off. But otherwise, Dooku would wipe his ass with both of them with hardly any difficulty.

To be fair, I can imagine them having a chance. But as of this time period, Dooku has my vote.

I say the two, to be fair, I think the count's powers are overrated.

The duo. I know, I am almost a ROTJ Luke fanboy, but he is really good by this point. He has already defeated Vader. This may seem insane, but look how good Jorus C'baoth was after four years of training. Luke also has the Kaiburr crystal(I know, it's from Splinter of the Minds Eye, but it is also in the New Essential Guide to Chronolgy, making it canon.)

Just to throw some junk in, if was almost totally agreed that ROTJ Sidious is better than ROTS Sidious. If Vader is 80% of ROTJ Sidious, he must be > 80% ROTS Sidious, who is around Dooku's level.

If Luke defeated Vader(which he did) then Luke > 80% ROTJ Sidious > 80% ROTS Dooku.

Vader and Luke have a big enough lead to win.

The technical mumbo-jumbo is O.K. and I agree. Luke and Vader (as of ROTJ) are underestimated. I personally think Vader alone could take him, but let's stay on topic, not bash me (preemptitive defense)

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
The duo. I know, I am almost a ROTJ Luke fanboy, but he is really good by this point. He has already defeated Vader. This may seem insane, but look how good Jorus C'baoth was after four years of training. Luke also has the Kaiburr crystal(I know, it's from Splinter of the Minds Eye, but it is also in the New Essential Guide to Chronolgy, making it canon.)

Just to throw some junk in, if was almost totally agreed that ROTJ Sidious is better than ROTS Sidious. If Vader is 80% of ROTJ Sidious, he must be > 80% ROTS Sidious, who is around Dooku's level.

If Luke defeated Vader(which he did) then Luke > 80% ROTJ Sidious > 80% ROTS Dooku.

Vader and Luke have a big enough lead to win.

It's not as simple as you make it out to be, Glentract.

And are you saying that Luke Skywalker is stronger than Count Dooku?

NOOO!!!!! Not at all. He is stronger than 80% of Count Dooku.

Ah. Well for the following argument, I'll suppose that your analysis was correct, even though I have my doubts. But here's something else.

Luke may have possessed 80% of Dooku's raw power and achieved potential of the time, but he had a few weeks worth of legitament training, compared to Dooku's eighty-three years. Not to mention that he never demonstrated the kind of Force mastery shown by the Count, nor can I ever believe that his saber skills come within a mile of Dooku's.

Glentract, it's not Luke + Vader = 160% Dooku. It doesn't work that way. Anakin and Obi-Wan were possibly the most coordinated team of the Clone Wars, hell, of the movie era. But even they just barely overcame Dooku, and that was because of an act of arrogance on the Count's part. The duo in this battle have never worked together in their lives. They were arch-enemies for four years.

I give Vader and Luke a chance, but not much of one.

I'm not saying that they will work perfectly, but then again, they don't need to to defeat the Count.

Also, Luke DOES have tons of traning from things that Obi-wan left in his home on Tatooine. Luke spent around six months studying just this.

Also, keep in mind that someone doesn't need to have a teacher to be powerful. Look at Kar, for example. He was around equal to the second most powerful person in the PT Order.