Exar Kun versus the PT Jedi Council

Although I disagree with IKC on almost every point from the Sith War(which by the way, IKC, I have just given up on being able to change your mind, but still do not concede to your points), Vodo is better than Yoda.

Like IKC said, Yoda and Vodo were the best from their times. Vodo was the best from a better time. The only argument against this is that Yoda was more of an outlier, but that doesn't seem to be true. Mace was near equal to Vodo, while no one in the Jedi Order was as good as Vodo, nor did anyone even seem to be approaching him.

dont under-estimate those gauntlets.

@IKC:
Sorry...Do you want to undermine Kun's force powers ? He didn't freeze the Jedi ? Then why they hell they did exactly nothing to stop him ? Were they just recovering from a hangover ?

"Oh look. He's killing the Chancelor."
"Yeah ! Nice show dude."
"Oh my. Now he killed Vodo."
"Wow. That guy is amazing."

And for Vodo being stronger then Yoda: What do you have to prove that statement. Let's see:

1.) "Vodo could make his walking stick stronger than a lightsaber"
Great. Obviously we never saw him defeating somebody wearing a lightsaber. Best thing I can say about that walking stick is that it was able to deflect a lightsaber. At that is one single strong force ability and beside that ?

2.) "Vodo was the Grandmaster of the Order"
What does that prove exactly ? That he is the best swordfighter, the most powerful or maybe that he is just the oldest Jedi or the wisest ?

3.) "Yoda displays no feats on Vodo's level"
Can you remind me where we have seen Vodo deflecting force lightning with his bare hands ? Where have we seen him jumping around like mad while fighting oponents ? Where have seen him throwing Sith Lords through an entire room ? Where has Vodo ever displayed feats on Yoda's level ?
May I just remind you that Yoda is stated to have mastered all forms of lightsaber combat including stuff like Trakata which was only mastered by some few powerful Jedi Masters throughout the entire history of the order (and again we haven't seen Vodo using something like that) and Yoda has some force abilities which are not shown in the films (Force Light - ability to remove Dark Side manifestations from Nexus points) ?
And if fighting with a walking stick seems impressive to you what do you think about Yoda killing a Dark Jedi on Dagobah without even having a weapon ?

4.) "TOTJ Jedi > PT Jedi"
Again that nice little point which I have argued a thousand times. Lucas himself states that the PT is the "golden age of the Jedi". Period. And where has any TOTJ Jedi desplayed greater feats then the PT people ?
The greatest actions of force use by the Jedi I've seen in TOTJ were
a) capturing Ulic (who was overpowered by several Jedi)
b) cutting Ulic's force connection of (and Nomi Sunrider did that while Ulic was pretty much defenseless).
c) defeating Exar (again combined power of hundrets or thousands of Jedi over Yavin 4)

Beside of that the TOTJ Jedi act exactly as stupid as the PT Jedi - even more stupid - watch Kun on Ossus ("Oh...the old master just died. I better take that Sith holocron. And well...you can join my forces. What ? Me ? A Sith Lord ? Come on...stop joking..."😉 or Ulic and his team on Onderon ("Oh...yes...Let's just do what Queen Amanoa tells us. What ? She's a dark side user ? Come on...you must be joking. What do you mean if you say 'The Dark Side is nearly dripping out of Iziz walls' ?"😉.

Yeah. Right. They are totally leagues above the PT Jedi...
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Golden Age Of The Jedi does not neccesarily indicate that those Jedi were more powerful. In anything it's implies the opposite. In the Sith War Era you had bloody Uber Force Gods rising out of the ground every century or so.

The Golden Age of the Jedi is not like the Golden Age of the Sith. Two different ideologies makes the "golden age" mean different things.

Actually, Nai... The jedi in the room were being kept in line by Massassi if I recall correctly.

Mace, Yoda. Obi, and Anakin could surround him. Maybe they get lucky and overwhelm him, maybe not. But I have no clue what the other jedi would do if those four were surrounding him. Plo could force lance him, n' stuff.

like i said, dont unerestimate those gauntlets.

Nai, regarding the "freezing Jedi" comment: read the comics. Kun pretty much ignored all of the Jedi in the room save for Vodo, with good reason. They couldn't hope to harm him.

When Sylvar accused Kun of murder after he killed Vodo, he told her "stay out of this" and casually blasted her across the room.

Point number 2: Vodo successfully disarmed Exar Kun while he was still training under him. That plus the fact that Vodo had purposely confronted Kun in the Senate chamber with the intent to stop him (Vodo has a monologue to this effect on Dantooine several pages prior) leads me to believe that Vodo can make his staff do a little more than deflect lightsabers.

Originally posted by IKC
Darthsith, how are they all going to attack him at once?

Hardly. He curbstomped without breaking a sweat the greatest Jedi masters of his age. This is a battle that the PT Jedi cannot win.

And like I said, both Mace's and Yoda's styles require a lot of room to use. How are they going to mob him?

Originally posted by IKC
Hardly. He curbstomped without breaking a sweat the greatest Jedi masters of his age. This is a battle that the PT Jedi cannot win.

And like I said, both Mace's and Yoda's styles require a lot of room to use. How are they going to mob him?

1. JEDI DON'T USE CHOKE!
2. KUN WILL KILL YODA IN SABER COMBAT
3. KUN CAN EASILY DEAL WITH 8/12 MEMBERS WITH ONLY THE FORCE!!!

Originally posted by Darth Avis
1. JEDI DON'T USE CHOKE!
2. KUN WILL KILL YODA IN SABER COMBAT
3. KUN CAN EASILY DEAL WITH 8/12 MEMBERS WITH ONLY THE FORCE!!!

As much as I hate overpowered characters, Kun will win this. Through speed, Force, and acrobatics, he could evade Yoda and Mace long enough to land some incapacitating blows on the weaker Council Members. Mace, Yoda, Obi, Anakin, and Kit would be those left standing. Taking down Kit and Anakin next, he rids Obi through use of the Force. He duels Mace and Yoda, one at a time due to conflicting fighting styles, and beats each.

1) Yes, they do. Remember Luke?

That has nothing to do with this fight. Luke is not a PT Council Member. Name one PT Council Member who displays the use of Force Grip. Anakin did not gain this power, or at least use it, until he went to the Dark Side.

Show me one time when a PT jedi used choke. Never? why you ask? Because it is forbidden. then yoda dies. then everyone else gets pwned.

Originally posted by Se7in
That has nothing to do with this fight. Luke is not a PT Council Member. Name one PT Council Member who displays the use of Force Grip. Anakin did not gain this power, or at least use it, until he went to the Dark Side.

Show me one time when a PT jedi used choke. Never? why you ask? Because it is forbidden. then yoda dies. then everyone else gets pwned.

What? No that makes no sense. Did Bastila's master know Battle Meditation? No, yet she could use it. Did Obi-Wan or Sidious teach Anakin Grip? No, yet he could use it. Yoda can't use it.

no it is not. The art is forbidden, but you are stuborn so okay they use choke. Kun defends the weak attacks and kills yoda. then he shows the jedi a real choke.