Exar Kun versus the PT Jedi Council

What? No that makes no sense. Did Bastila's master know Battle Meditation? No, yet she could use it. Did Obi-Wan or Sidious teach Anakin Grip? No, yet he could use it. Yoda can't use it.

The art is forbidden, but you are stuborn so okay they use choke. Kun defends the weak attacks and kills yoda. then he shows the jedi a real choke.

Damb you i can't argue your stupidity. JANUS WHERE ARE YOU? LOOK AT THE JANUS SIGNAL IN THE AIR.

Originally posted by Darth Avis
Damb you i can't argue your stupidity. JANUS WHERE ARE YOU? LOOK AT THE JANUS SIGNAL IN THE AIR.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Sorry, I don't really know anything about Bastila. As for Anakin, of course, how else would he know it? Yoda can't use it? Surely if Luke can Yoda can. He's leagues above Luke.

Forbidden, huh? Yeah, and so is killing an unarmed opponent, yes Mace was going to kill Sidious. Why? Because he's to dangerous to be left alive. Same with Kun. Defends the attacks? 11 Force Chokes coming from above avg. Masters, which include Mace, Obi-Wan and Anakin, while fending off Yoda. LOL.

Uh, Force choke is easy to learn; it's part of the basic Jedi telekinesis ability. But the PT jedi DON'T use it because it's an aggressive force power. If they could, they would Force choke everyone and not use sabers.

It's false to assume that Luke was taught something that Anakin used out of anger without being taught as much.

And EU says that jedi and Sith are taught to resist TK from an early age. Kun would be no different. And considering that Kun can smite Force users who would smite Yoda and Mace with a WAVE OF HIS HAND I really fail to see how they would all succeed in doing something that is against their life code and against their way of fighting.

Prove up, man.

Originally posted by Ianus
Uh, Force choke is easy to learn; it's part of the basic Jedi telekinesis ability. But the PT jedi DON'T use it because it's an aggressive force power. If they could, they would Force choke everyone and not use sabers.

It's false to assume that Luke was taught something that Anakin used out of anger without being taught as much.

And EU says that jedi and Sith are taught to resist TK from an early age. Kun would be no different. And considering that Kun can smite Force users who would smite Yoda and Mace with a WAVE OF HIS HAND I really fail to see how they would all succeed in doing something that is against their life code and against their way of fighting.

Prove up, man.

1) Yeah, just like how out of four Council Members, not one used it while Sidious slaughtered three of them.

2) Who says someone did teach it to Anakin?

3) Notice that says EU. This is the movie where there is little, to practically no threat of the Sith accoring to the Council in TPM. Point and case is the existence of Niman.

Originally posted by darthsith19
1) But they do know how to use it. They don't use it because it's aggressive. But if it was a metter of either dying or using it and defeting Kun I'm sure they'd use it. No Jedi's that perfect.
2) Who says no one taught it to Anakin?
3) Trained to resist it, huh? That explains how Tyranus was able to use it on Obi-Wan.

1) They do know how to use it. That explains why don't didn't use it on lesser opponents while they were getting slaughtered by the dozen, right? Face it, they never did, they may have the ability, but what makes you think they will have the execution of a two dollar llama?

3) Maybe that's because Dooku was the superior force user, huh? Did you see Dooku getting force pushed around by Anakin and Obi-Wan? Does that mean they can't? Please. Kun is far more powerful with the force than any one of them as well as having far more offensive force powers than any of the council have ever seen.

Indeed. Also note that Dooku caught Obi-Wan by surprise with the choke. The jedi master wasn't expecting it.

1) Yeah, just like how out of four Council Members, not one used it while Sidious slaughtered three of them.

2) Who says someone did teach it to Anakin?

That explains why don't didn't use it on lesser opponents while they were getting slaughtered by the dozen, right? Face it, they never did, they may have the ability, but what makes you think they will have the execution of a two dollar llama?

3) Maybe that's because Dooku was the superior force user, huh? Did you see Dooku getting force pushed around by Anakin and Obi-Wan? Does that mean they can't? Please. Kun is far more powerful with the force than any one of them as well as having far more offensive force powers than any of the council have ever seen.

But it wont be combined. i can slap away the hands of 11 12 year olds easily but if a 30 year old man hit me my slapping hand would be dead.

Originally posted by Darth Avis
But it wont be combined. i can slap away the hands of 11 12 year olds easily but if a 30 year old man hit me my slapping hand would be dead.

jesus they won't be PERFECTLY sycronized. there will be at least a split second in between each choke. slap slap slap them away with a wave of Kuns force hand.

Well, Sidious killed two of them before they could even react. Then it was only two on one and obviously Mace had top keep fighting because if he stopped Kit'd die in a second and I guess thought it'd be more beneficial to fight alongside Mace then stop fighting and use grip.

Saesee Tiin was shown raising his lightsaber to attack Sidious while Sidious' blade was STILL IN Agen Kolar's body. How does that indicate he wasn't ready? And even so, not once did Fisto attempt to use the ability.

Who would they have used it on? Hmm?

Oh let's see... Dooku? Ventress? Random Stormtrooper #13?

Indeed. My point exactly. You can block grip if and only if you are stronger than the person using/trying to use it on you. Now tell me, do you really think Kun's stronger in the Force than 11 Council members combined?

And do you really think Kun's standing there and letting 11 council members try it? He'd walk in with his offensive force powers and immense lightsaber ability and would most likely hack apart a few of them before they could react. He killed a lightsaber grandmaster in seconds before he got his double-bladed lightsaber.

I thought he had his double-blade by then? It doesn't make any difference though.

Ahh well, he didn't use it.

Inaccuracies!

Kun's first Jedi kill was Odan-Urr, but he didn't use his saber.

His second was Vodo. He used his double-bladed saber and won in seconds.

Originally posted by Darth Avis
jesus they won't be PERFECTLY sycronized. there will be at least a split second in between each choke. slap slap slap them away with a wave of Kuns force hand.

Saesee Tiin was shown raising his lightsaber to attack Sidious while Sidious' blade was STILL IN Agen Kolar's body. How does that indicate he wasn't ready? And even so, not once did Fisto attempt to use the ability.

Oh let's see... Dooku? Ventress? Random Stormtrooper #13?

He'd walk in with his offensive force powers and immense lightsaber ability and would most likely hack apart a few of them before they could react.

What? It's not just a slap, he'd have to hold them all back. After he blocks it once will he be able to hold them back the whole time? No.

Proof that the jedi can use and will use Force choke on a single Sith Lord?

Proof that he can't withstand it if they did?

Well bo-hoo to Saesee Tiin, who got absolutely wasted by Sidious and probably isn't even strong enough to use Force Choke. And I already explained why Kit didn't.

So there's a power you must be at to Force choke? First I've heard of it. Sources? Cited proof? Why can't Saessee Tiin, a jedi master who outranked all the jedi in Cloak of Deception including Yaddle, Yareal, and others, not use Force choke? Or could it be he would never use one, because he is a jedi?

Dooku? When? Asajj? When? Random Stormtrooper. So you mean use it on one and therefor not be able to block attacks from the other 10 surrounding you?

He's asking you to prove that the jedi can use Force choke and are willing to, since they obviously never used it on others even when it would have been convinient or outright save their lives.

Yeah, like he'd just cut through the door, walk in and kill a few while they just sat there and stared.

No, it wouldn't be like that but it's pretty ridiculous what you're saying; that the PT jedi will forsake their code and all synchronize Force chokes on a single Sith lord.

Prove up.

Well bo-hoo to Saesee Tiin, who got absolutely wasted by Sidious and probably isn't even strong enough to use Force Choke. And I already explained why Kit didn't.

Thanks for admitting he wasn't strong enough, since he is a council member, for the entire PT no less.

Tiin couldn't even survive 5 seconds against a Sith far lesser than Kun, who was able to waltz into the Senate, freeze thousands of individuals, kill one ancient Jedi Master with a wave of his hand, and then saber-own the lightsaber grandmaster in seconds. Yoda and Mace are really the only members of the PT council that could rival the two individuals that Kun pwned. So wait, how are they going to stop them?

Dooku? When? Asajj? When? Random Stormtrooper. So you mean use it on one and therefor not be able to block attacks from the other 10 surrounding you?

How about when Anakin and Obi-Wan were fighting him? Clearly if one of them was force choking him and the other was saber dueling him (like your strategy says) he would have gone down rather easily.

Hell, you need to show one instance when the Jedi defeated any force user using the attack.

You saying, "zOMG they had no opportunity" while they were getting slaughtered by the dozens doesn't help your case at all.

Yeah, like he'd just cut through the door, walk in and kill a few while they just sat there and stared.

Outside of Yoda and Mace, no one there can survive more than 5 seconds against Kun. And of course, you have nothing but speculatory crap about them using force choke on them.

And what are they going to do about Kun's demonstrated force powers? They're going to die, that's what.

Proof that the jedi can use and will use Force choke on a single Sith Lord?

Proof that he can't withstand it if they did?

So there's a power you must be at to Force choke? First I've heard of it. Sources? Cited proof? Why can't Saessee Tiin, a jedi master who outranked all the jedi in Cloak of Deception including Yaddle, Yareal, and others, not use Force choke? Or could it be he would never use one, because he is a jedi?

He's asking you to prove that the jedi can use Force choke and are willing to, since they obviously never used it on others even when it would have been convinient or outright save their lives.

No, it wouldn't be like that but it's pretty ridiculous what you're saying; that the PT jedi will forsake their code and all synchronize Force chokes on a single Sith lord.

Thanks for admitting he wasn't strong enough, since he is a council member, for the entire PT no less.

So wait, how are they going to stop them?

How about when Anakin and Obi-Wan were fighting him? Clearly if one of them was force choking him and the other was saber dueling him (like your strategy says) he would have gone down rather easily.

Hell, you need to show one instance when the Jedi defeated any force user using the attack.

Outside of Yoda and Mace, no one there can survive more than 5 seconds against Kun.