Exar Kun versus the PT Jedi Council

You yourself said they could use it. Proof that they will? Well, they break their own rules to kill people if those people are Sith.

No, they wouldn't. Same reason why Luke Skywalker cast down his blade instead of striking down his father. Same reason why Obi-Wan didn't finish Anakin, and why Yoda didn't blitz and kill Dooku. The jedi are not killers by choice. What you're saying is that they will embrace the dark side to HARM Exar Kun. This is inconsistant with their beliefs.

You yourself said someone can block that ability if they are stronger than the person using it.

Indeed, and Exar Kun is likely stronger than any single individual on the council. Hence, you've just argued he can block them all.

Because he's weaker than a statue. All he does is stand around. Stronger tha Yaddle and Yarael? Wow, they must be pretty weak. Outranked all the Jedi? Even Yoda? yeah right.

Nice to see you've an open mind and know the source material. Saesee outranked all the jedi on a mission. Yoda and Mace were not on said mission.

And your opinion of his abilities (Uninformed as it is) isn't a valid argument for your original point.

Yeah, and I'm asking when it would have been convienent.

You obviously need to be told?

They forsaked their code to kill Sidious, a single Sith Lord.

When did they forsake their code? Yoda didn't Force choke Sidious.

Yeah, and so is Trebor.

Trebor died in AOTC. He was not a master for the whole PT.

They other 11 Jedi will stop Kun. Saesee will get in a starfighter and blast him away? I don't know. Maybe he'd die.

You're sure not convinced of this victory, are you?

Exar. No jedi can defeat him except maybe NJO luke but I think that would be a stretch.

Janus...the Jedi Code is essential to the PT Jedi but it didn't stop them from being the individuals they are and it didn't stop them from taking "agressive" actions if needed.

Yoda and Obi-Wan at the end of ROTS went to kill Anakin and Sidious and not simply stop them (as Yoda said: "Destroy the Sith we must."😉. Mace wanted to kill Sidious because he thought it would be too dangerous to let him live. Yoda force pushed Sidious through his office and threw a pod at him. Obi-Wan was clearly about to chop Anakin into halfes when Anakin was lying on the table without having his lightsaber at hand during their duel on Mustafar and didn't hesitate to cut Anakin's legs and arm off when he had to.

The point is if they know that they can't "capture" an enemy who is a threat to them or the Galaxy itself they will move and try to kill that enemy and I doubt that they will think they can "capture" Kun being confronted with his force powers once.

Now thinking about the individuals present: Anakin is always on the edge of using the Dark Side (he did it against Dooku, against Asajj Ventress at in the end against Padme and Obi-Wan), Mace Windu (as far as we know) had used force crush on Grievous and he didn't hesitate much before force pushing a vibroshield into Kar Vastor's body nearly killing him. And Yoda knows when he really has to be "aggressive".

I know that Kun is very powerful but I don't think he is able to deal with the amassed knowledge, force powers and fighting skills of the entire Council especially when we don't know how much time it would take him to use "advanced" Sith magic (like freezing the Senate chamber) - things above lightning and force choke. If he can do it quickly and take out a great amount of Council members with his first attack he might be able to win that fight but I doubt that he would survive a lightsaber fight with Anakin, Obi-Wan, Kit Fisto, Mace and Yoda if they have enough space to fight (and having a look at the fighting place I guess they have).

I think you're missing the point: I'm not neccessarily arguing the outcome with darthsith19; I'm arguing his reasoning.

He says the entire Jedi Council is gonna instinctively Force choke Kun, but in the next post he's saying Saessee Tiin, one of the better Force users on the council, can't use Force choke. He's basically not making any sense.

And really, when was the last time you saw jedi pooling their force powers to overcome an enemy?

Well, there WAS that one time where the entire jedi order pooled their powers to create a shroud of light over Yavin, trying to purge it of the dark side. But the idea of the jedi pooling their force powers and attacking via the Force is unsupported entirely.

And I wasn't refering to the jedi not killing at all, but I find it HIGHLY unlikely that especially Yoda would abandon the code he reinforced and used and lived by for 900 + years to try and Force choke Exar Kun.

He felt Sidious was a great enough threat to destroy, and yet he did NOT choke him. The most he did was deflect his Sith lightning, chuck a pod at him, and force push him. No choking, period.

Allright, I'm done here. But the Jedi do have the power to win. You can decide for yourself if they are willing to use that power or not.

Thanks for the linkage to this old thread, IKC. This one was a good one.

I'm just....curious...where does this Kun being so uber rumor COME from anyways? I don't think the PT council would mind destroying a Sith Lord as evil and dangerous as Exar. People have just theorized vodo was the grandmaster of the Order....however, there's nothing backing that up. The Jedi Order was dreadfully unorganized there and the term 'grandmaster' didn't exist then whatsoever. Even if it came to sabers, Yoda and Mace could bring him to the ground together or-arguably, I admit-Yoda could deal with it himself.

Kun was cool and all, but I find him to be seriously overblown. He was smart, but made one mistake too many

Long before you came here, people actually debated all of these threads with Kun and Revan and Ragnos, and others. And they arrived at their own conclusions, which are supported by hard evidence and logical structure. Hence, it's not a rumor- it's the best rational conclusion.

Janus, please explain these rational conclusions and hard evidence...all Kun has going for him: A scar, a ponytail and a double sided saber. To say he could beat the entire PT council at once is preposterous. Yoda wouldn't hesitate to kill him on the spot, nor would Mace

Exar Kun.

The Jedi order, stagnated by years of good living, will most likely get massacred by a sith lord that lived during one of the most turbulent times of Star Wars history.

Even if they were beating him through sheer numbers, Exar would simply destroy Coruscant, would he not?

These TotJ characters are sounding more like DBZ characters now...

Anyways, going by what I know, Kun will win. They might be able to hold him off for a few minutes, Yoda and Windu going offensive from the front, Obi-Wan and Anakin simply adding pressure from behind him. That's assuming they can surround him.

BTW, Mace Windu did force choke Grievous.

No, he didn't.

What did he do then?

Apparently he used the Force to crush his armor or something.

What turbulent times did Exar live in? The order was freaking complacent when that Nadd trouble started

PT era came from a Sithless era. They had abandoned their armies and their battle armor after Ruusan. Hell, the majority of force users in the PT use the Diplomat's Form, whereas no one does in Kun's time. How do you get the idea that PT era > Old Republic era?

Point being? So did Kun, exact same Sithless time: One thousand years.

The PT era dealt with numerous threats, came out of a time of one thousand years of brutal Sith rule, had access to the wisdom of ages in their temple, had a concrete system and order, unlike the OJO where numerous masters lounged about doing their own thing, had the luxury of not being almost wiped out in the span of fifty years...

And the majority of the Jedi learned Niman, many didn't favor it.

No, instead they had the luxury of being almost wiped out in five minutes.

If you think the OJO was complacent, the PT Jedi were stagnant. Lightsaber-to-lightsaber combat (in the field) was unheard of, they don't have the Ossus knowledge base (for which the Coruscant temple is a poor replacement), they're under the dogmatic rule of a little green alien (yes, great counsel he provides: let bad things happen!), and they display none of the great powers of Sith War-era or even KOTOR-era Jedi.