Execution of Saddam?

As controversial as it may be, who is to say that Saddam's intentions were not akin to the greater good that Bush bleats on about all the time? I'm not saying that the accusations of genocide seem false, but rather with the gift of hind-sight previous 'good' intentions are found to be false and/or wrong. I think you can understand what current conflict-situation I'm referring to...

If one man is guilty of misdeeds as judged by a court, then why is the other man also not held accountable for his folly?

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
Hey,let's not burst his bubble. AC is always right and everyone else is wrong..why should HE have to take responsibility?Just like any good hypocritical politician, AC makes laws HE dosen't have to listen to...

All you, I've said none of this. Nor do I believe this of myself. I swear that's the KMC tactic though, so many have used it that it's become parody.

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
So basically, the thread was good until I stepped in, and the minute I fought back after you became condescending to me, I took all the fun out of it.

There you go misinterpreting my posts. I clearly said I enjoyed debating with you until you blew a remark I made, completely out of proportion and then proceeded to tell me what I meant. You never fought back, hence why my last on topic reply is unanswered. Anyway:

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
"I" ran away? Uh, more like I stayed, countered your POV and when that got too much for you, you fired back with your insults.

This can only be a humourous remark as the above is exactly what you did.

How can you sanely say you countered when my last major post continues to remain unanswered?

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
And I gave it back to you. And that, in your mind, legitimized your accusations of my lack of intelligence. You basically set a trap and fell in it when you couldn't take the fact that I was capable of a sustained battle of wits.

No, I posted a reply and you didn't reply to any of it. What you did give me was a reply to someone else, insulting me. A reply to Kharma, insulting me directly. Neither were pertaining to the topic.

Let's move on:

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
I like people like you-you tease the shit out of a dog every day, knowing the leash only goes so far, and when the dog escapes and bites you, it's automatically evil because it bit you. Regardless of the circumstances that caused it to bite, all you see is the end result, and not what led to it. And then it's victim time,with you in the lead role.

Analogies are not your forte, first of all.

Second, I am continually saying to you, go reply to my on topic post. GO reply to my on topic post. You are here, replying, sure. It's not to that post is it? It's been to me. First you continually insisted I was labelling you when I, the person saying it, completely explained what I meant, to your ignorant eyes. You chose to not accept this and continue. Not my problem. I'm not responsible for you. But certainly don't start replying to me relentlessly, none of which are pertaining to topic, then have the gall to assume you have done anything here.

Moving on.

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
And I DID afford you the same right to an opposing POV. Seems that YOU were the one who dismissed all of it as unrealistic, and no good.

Nothing I said was right, and when you couldn't counter me with
reasons WHY you felt they weren't right, you chose to belittle me and condescend me with labelling and threats to 'shut my mouth.'

I said to you it was a general reply to people who speak hypocritically on justice. Not an actual threat to you, Dagon, to shut your mouth. You refused to accept this. I cannot accept responsibility for that. If you had listened when I explained, we'd not be here.

I respect your right to that P.o.V, despite how unrealistic I believe it to be. You still haven't replied to my post.

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
Dude, you get what you give. Had you been more civil, and not so quick to take the low road while professing moral and intellectual high ground, maybe this wouldn't have happened.

Or you could have accepted my explanation when I said blatantly on a number of occasions that I wasn't making you a sole target or telling YOU to shut YOUR mouth directly. You chose not to.

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
You want Saddam alive and in prison. Millions in Iraq and the world want him dead. And no matter how much we argue, the courts will ultimately decide his fate.

All the effort of this was put into accusing me of the exact things you did, and the only on topic reply you can manage is that? What's the deal?

Reply to my post.

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
So if you see it that way, there is a higher power saying that we are BOTH wrong, and whose to say the judge won't act on HIS own personal feelings, as you accuse me of doing?

Anyway, you asked me to be civil, this is it. Now you can take this as such, or continue to accuse me of running. Your choice. As I said before, nothing I say will be right.

YOU are saying that nothing you say will be right. Not me, you.

Now you've decided to be civil, go find the long posts I was pasting previously, and reply to it please.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Anyway, I'm not denying my arrogance. I'm not denying that I can be condescending. You are very quick to press me to admit that but it does surprise me that everyone is so quick to overlook the fact that Dagon has made posts in this thread for the past however many pages, completely aimed at me and not the topic, laced with direct and blatant insults. As opposed to my arrogant remarks that are taken as insulting.

-AC

Apparently you forget the basic rule of physics-an opposite and equal reaction for every action. You didn't want me to be arrogant and rude, you shouldn't have been so yourself. What's so hard to understand about that? Who says I have to take YOUR shit, or anyone else's?
You stick me, I'm gonna' stick ya' back, boy. End of discussion.

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
Apparently you forget the basic rule of physics-an opposite and equal reaction for every action. You didn't want me to be arrogant and rude, you shouldn't have been so yourself. What's so hard to understand about that? Who says I have to take YOUR shit, or anyone else's?
You stick me, I'm gonna' stick ya' back, boy. End of discussion.

If you had been condescending and arrogant back, I'd have been more than cool with it.

You weren't, you started quoting OTHER people while insulting me needlessly on subjects with nothing to do with the topic. I challenge you to find a post where I have done so. You won't because I haven't. So if you're gonna preach to give what you get, make sure you do give what you get.

As for the stick me/stick you. I agree.

Infact, I replied to you. So you should reply back.

No amount of back and forth can cover the fact that I hold the last on topic reply between us and you have failed to reply to it.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

If you had been condescending and arrogant back, I'd have been more than cool with it.-AC

So that's your mode of operation? Seems more like an open invitatton to a flame war. Acting like an ass to people and then turning around and thinking it's cool and all will be fine in the next frame? Typical. You say something regardless of how nasty or insulting and then figure that once it leaves your mouth it's someone else's problem.

Type A evasion of responsibility. Good going.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

No amount of back and forth can cover the fact that I hold the last on topic reply between us and you have failed to reply to it.

-AC

Dude you really need to get over yourself, because if this topic is what you claim in the name of victory, then you really need glasses. You think your pretend holdings on moral and intellectual high ground make up for your unnecessary nastiness to me pages earlier?

No matter what you hold, or pretend to hold, it won't excuse your nastiness and your resorts to insults and bitterness when confronted with the possibility that YOU might be wrong for once.

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
So that's your mode of operation? Seems more like an open invitatton to a flame war. Acting like an ass to people and then turning around and thinking it's cool and all will be fine in the next frame? Typical. You say something regardless of how nasty or insulting and then figure that once it leaves your mouth it's someone else's problem.

Type A evasion of responsibility. Good going.

No, read what I said. I was adhering to your "get what you give" adage.

I have been condescending, I am naturally arrogant, I do not deny these two things. My point being that if you had done this back, out of whatever retaliatory motivation you have, then you would have been going by your own rationale. Which I can respect. I can take getting what I give, I can take getting what I don't give. Nothing you've said has damaged me personally. But it's damaged the thread.

I can debate with someone being condescending or arrogant. However, if you're going to insist I mean something I didn't after I am doing my level best to clear things up, then follow it by quoting another poster and making penis insults, then I'm not prepared to make any more effort as it's clear that you aren't.

Try not telling me what I mean or what I say, that's what got us here.

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
Dude you really need to get over yourself, because if this topic is what you claim in the name of victory, then you really need glasses. You think your pretend holdings on moral and intellectual high ground make up for your unnecessary nastiness to me pages earlier?

No matter what you hold, or pretend to hold, it won't excuse your nastiness and your resorts to insults and bitterness when confronted with the possibility that YOU might be wrong for once.

Nastiness? I wasn't nasty. I was condescending in an arrogant manner. I didn't sit here cursing you out. The one thing you thought was me threatening you, was the shut your mouth comment. Which I specifically said many times, it was not a direct attack on you. You continued to insist it was. I'm not a telepath, I can't force you to see that.

Do you recognise and admit that what you took offense to, in light of my multiple explanations, was overblown? Or do you still believe that your mis/interpretations were just? You now know, as you should have then, that I was NOT solely making you a target and I was NOT telling you to shut your mouth. Do you recognise this?

I'm not bitter, nasty or insulting towards you. Also, stop saying that I am bitter about being confronted. I still hold the last relevant reply. No, I don't class it as a victory. I class it as...me being the last person out of the two of us to encourage you to go back and reply to my argument.

All you need to do is reply to that post and this thread will be rolling again. I can't force you to.

-AC

Any more than I can force you to realize that YOU were wrong.

My reactions are only overblown in YOUR mind, because you're hoping that someone else who agrees with you will say the same thing, and get a "the problem is with Dagon" thing happening. You're still looking for a way to blame ME and particularize MY behavior with no answer to or for your own.

I'm not bitter, nasty or insulting towards you. Also, stop saying that I am bitter about being confronted. I still hold the last relevant reply. No, I don't class it as a victory. I class it as...me being the last person out of the two of us to encourage you to go back and reply to my argument.

You WERE nasty, you DID label me regardless of your last minute " all of them, not just you" mentality, and you ARE responsible for it.

Sit here and claim your intellectual victory all you want, humor us.

You place emphasis on relevance above all other things because
you feel that you can say and do whatever you want as long as you eventually swing back to relevance to the topic. basically, you have green light to say or do whatever because YOU'RE right and everyone else is wrong. Being right is excuse enough for your actions.

It's as if you want to legitimize your own actions while somehow dismissing mine as uncredible or having no basis at all... You attacked me but I had no reason to fight back. As if your nastiness to me was somehow deserving for your assumption of my inability to grasp your concepts.

Dude I don't know what people like you want.

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
Any more than I can force you to realize that YOU were wrong.

My reactions are only overblown in YOUR mind, because you're hoping that someone else who agrees with you will say the same thing, and get a "the problem is with Dagon" thing happening. You're still looking for a way to blame ME and particularize MY behavior with no answer to or for your own.

See what I mean? This is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. What the hell do you mean no answer for my own? No answer for what? You claiming I threatened and insulted you when I quite clearly explained myself? What are you talking about? I explained what I meant, you more or less told ME what I meant. How can you sit there and say I was wrong?

Wrong for what? You misinterpret what I say, I explain what it means, but I'm wrong on what it means? Despite me clearly being the one who said it. You are genuinely not making any sense. I've told you so many times that anything you've taken as an attack or whatnot, it was not intended that way. Your reply? You tell me it was.

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
I'm not bitter, nasty or insulting towards you. Also, stop saying that I am bitter about being confronted. I still hold the last relevant reply. No, I don't class it as a victory. I class it as...me being the last person out of the two of us to encourage you to go back and reply to my argument.

You WERE nasty, you DID label me regardless of your last minute " all of them, not just you" mentality, and you ARE responsible for it.

Last minute? I said it in the same damn post. I said that I wasn't specifically referring to you, but you were included.

This was the first reply after you replied to my "shut your mouth" remark and assumed I meant you:

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Chill out, I'm not lashing out or attacking. I'm saying that you should stop claiming you want justice if prison, regardless of it's flaws, isn't good enough. Because you don't want justice if this is the case, you want vengeance. When I said "shut your mouth" I was speaking generally about hypocrites. Not aiming it at you specifically. Though you are a hypocrite so if you're not gonna talk honestly, then maybe this is the best course of action.

-AC

And so began an endless crusade of "You DID say it to me though". Why would you keep saying that if you are sitting there reading my posts that say "Not aiming it at you specifically"?

My other reply:

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What do you think the "and people like me" part meant? You and them included, which clearly means I'm not specifically picking you out doesn't it, Sherlock? You are included, but so are people like you. Hence you not being a sole target.

-AC

I explained it to you. You didn't like it so you made the excuse that I was covering up, in which case YOU are the one who fails to admit you were wrong. Either way, the undeniable fact is that I didn't mean it how you took it and continue to take it. That's a fact, whether you choose to accept my explanation or not. It's got to the point where I am force to italicise even the most obvious of explanations. Though we both know you are just going to ignore it don't we?

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
Sit here and claim your intellectual victory all you want, humor us.

You place emphasis on relevance above all other things because
you feel that you can say and do whatever you want as long as you eventually swing back to relevance to the topic. basically, you have green light to say or do whatever because YOU'RE right and everyone else is wrong. Being right is excuse enough for your actions.

One thing I have never, ever understood with many people I've debated with on this forum, is the rationale of:

"If we say that he is right and everyone else is wrong, people will think that he thinks that."

Haha, no. I do not. That's you saying it, not me. The inevitable swing of debates like this always comes back around to people saying "Oh you think you're always right." I don't, I didn't then, I don't now. So stop trying to aid yourself like so many others before you, in the same way.

YOU made the conscious choice to not reply to my on topic post and focus on the "shut your mouth" thing. Fine, if you didn't get what I meant that's cool. I explained it. At that point you should have realised that I didn't mean what you thought I meant, and go back on topic. YOU chose the opposite way, not me.

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
It's as if you want to legitimize your own actions while somehow dismissing mine as uncredible or having no basis at all... You attacked me but I had no reason to fight back. As if your nastiness to me was somehow deserving for your assumption of my inability to grasp your concepts.

And I play the victim? Sheesh.

We've established beyond any doubt or debate that this who "You meant this, you meant that, you labelled me" malarky was a misunderstanding on your part (it was, because you got the wrong end of the stick after I explained it, as proven). So now you can take the freedom of opinion you rightly have, and reply to my post, can you not?

Or are you going to continue this? Because no amount of convincing yourself that you've ended my debate will change the fact that you haven't yet replied to it.

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
Dude I don't know what people like you want.

Oh my, the irony and hypocricy of this one line is too much. People like me? OH MY GOD YOU'RE LABELLING ME! OH MY GOD! (I know you're not, I am perceptive enough to notice that, but wouldn't it suck if I continued on like that for pages despite you telling me "I wasn't labelling you"? Yeah, exactly)

To answer that though, what I want, is for you to go back, read my post, admit to yourself that you took what I said wrongly as a threat and an insult, and then reply to my post so we continue the discussion we were having before you did so.

-AC

AC, you continue to argue irrelevant Semantics with this Peon who is clearly in the wrong?

You shouldn't waste such time.

I agree, I shouldn't give him as much time as I have. It is quite apparant that he won't admit it.

I was obviously wrong to believe I could make it so blatant that he couldn't deny it, though it was that obvious all along.

-AC

Some people just have Pride as a sickness.

Woah! To much arguing

Woah! To Much Loving,

I hope you are well. I am wonderful.

Bye for now,

Ya Krunk'd Floo

WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!

FLAME WAR IN PROCESS! MODS! MODS! MODS!

For there to be a flame war, two people have to be flaming each other.

-AC

What is worse? The first or the second? We have established you believe they are both torture, my question is which one is worse to you. Don't cop out with "Oh torture is torture". Just answer it. Which one is worse? The brutal torture of human beings through deadly physical/biochemical means, or imprisonment?

I would take the first, physical pain has its limits there is an end to what the body can take, mental pain and anguish is far far worse.

So what Saddam did is not as bad as locking someone in prison for life then?

You'd opt to be brutally tortured and attacked by mustard gas, than be put in prison forever? I await your answer.

-AC

Killing Saddam would make him a martyr and incite more of what our President has been trying to quell for the past few years. Terrorism.

[QUOTE=5538504]Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So what Saddam did is not as bad as locking someone in prison for life then?

You'd opt to be brutally tortured and attacked by mustard gas, than be put in prison forever? I await your answer.

-AC [/QUOTE

He wont suffer what all those who muredered suffered ok? You and I have no idea what its like to be tortured or attacked with chemiacal weapons. You seem to think its crule to kill him after all he's done to innconet men, women and children. Your logic is pathetic.

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