Execution of Saddam?

Well I understand the process..you don't take away anything from someone who has nothing to take. Killing shouldn't beget more killing.

But either way, he is a beacon. As a prisoner he is a symbol of American imperialism. As a martyr, he adds fuel to the fire and to the insurgency.

Either way, while Al Qaeda may not like Saddam, they will find a way to make his death work to their advantage. Nothing we do will be the right thing in their eyes because that's how they are. We lose either way.

It's time that the world stops being held hostage to the demands of these guys...they're nothing but a bunch of punks who are so used to bullying in their backyards that they feel the rest of the world is just going to buckle every time they make a threat. And it's time they learned that there are punishments for their actions.

They want to die for their "God" then fine. As far as I'm concerened they just die. And I'm also sick and tired of the rest of the world kissing their ass every time they make a threat.

Originally posted by soleran30
Nope prisons suck and actually most times they are called correctional facilities because their supposed purpose is to correct inmates. However you are simply calling for a detention center which I suppose you would place all the terrorists.....am I correct in assuming that?

My goal would be to place them in a prison/jail/whatever you want to call it, to stop them committing anymore crimes. Treated exactly the same as every other inmate. No forceful torture, nothing. Just imprisonment. Behind bars they can do absolutely nothing.

You are making an argument out of wording when it's really unnecessary. Correction facility/detention centre, whatever. Behind bars.

Originally posted by soleran30
I have yet to say kill him because he has killed however thats a piece you certainly focus on. So please enlighten me how is this man not a waste to humanity and what will he further do/contribute to better society in your proposed solution?

First show me where in my "solution" I cited him as becoming a contributor to society. You won't find it because I didn't say it.

I don't believe in the death penalty in any way, shape or form, but I believe he needed to be stopped. If he was wanted dead, they could have shot him in Iraq. They captured him, why? If the eventual outcome is his death, why capture him? Just to say "Wheeeey we're so awesome! We caught Saddam! Ok enough showboating, kill him now"...? What's the point in capturing the man, dragging him through court for something we know he is 100% guilty of, only to kill him? Why not just shoot him in Iraq if death was the point? You have him, he's going nowhere, he's causing no more damage. Don't risk making him a martyr among other things by killing him.

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
It's time that the world stops being held hostage to the demands of these guys...they're nothing but a bunch of punks who are so used to bullying in their backyards that they feel the rest of the world is just going to buckle every time they make a threat. And it's time they learned that there are punishments for their actions.

I agree, in a way. Henry Rollins once said:

"If you wanna get back at your parents, the man or the establishment...don't go get wasted and wrap your car around a tree. It proves nothing but idiocy. Don't be as bad, be better. Out live, out learn and out class them."

Getting mad may lead to getting even, but getting smart leads to getting ahead. America and indeed Soleran would do well to learn from this.

By capturing Saddam and parading him around, only to kill him, is being as bad as the people you're condemning.

-AC

As a muslim i can certainly say that if saddam hussain is executed, there will be a huge outcry from some narrow-minded muslims and they will think that he sacrificed himself for Allah, what next?
Osama bin Laden tapes trying to convince Muslims how evil America is, how they destroyed a hero to the religion( Although i think Osama and Saddam would never get along), and thus the terrorists will creat even more hate towards America. The people that hate america cannot be changed, its the question of how America can contain this.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

I agree, in a way. Henry Rollins once said:

"If you wanna get back at your parents, the man or the establishment...don't go get wasted and wrap your car around a tree. It proves nothing but idiocy. Don't be as bad, be better. Out live, out learn and out class them."

Getting mad may lead to getting even, but getting smart leads to getting ahead. America and indeed Soleran would do well to learn from this.

By capturing Saddam and parading him around, only to kill him, is being as bad as the people you're condemning.

-AC

Parading around is bad...well tell that to the Saddam loyalists who took the 9 bodies of the dead contractors and hung them over a bridge, violated them, and then drug theiur remains thru the streets about a year ago.

Oh not to mention the 2 little bastards who pounded in the heads of 2 Apache pilots who were wounded and unable to move as they tried to get back in their chopper. Those bodies were paraded around too.

Again, you can sit here and say that killing him makes "us look no better than him" but you KNOW he's going to get a kife of luxury in jail. ALL dicators and mob types do. Why should he live out his dying years in a cell-turned-penthouse when all of his victims lay in the ground?

Now if it WERE to be that he truly DID have nothing but a cell and a pot to piss in like the other inmates, fine, do it up. Make him suffer.
But somehow, you just know he's going to be treated like royalty as most Fed prisons are a gilded cage for these exiled\imprisoned types.

Anyone who does that kind of "Look how in control we are" showing off, be it the side of "good" or the side of "evil", is bad. No excuse.

With regards to jail, I don't give a shit what he gets in jail. As long as he is given no outside communication or means to communicate dangerously (which he won't) then as far as I'm concerned, he's in jail. He's imprisoned and he is captured. Mission accomplished.

What happens after his imprisonment is of no concern to me. Just that he be imprisoned so that he can no longer roam free. Do I think it's ok that prisons allow "luxuries"? No. Can I change that? No. Would I rather they be dead or free? No. Lock them up so they can't do it again.

Regardless of all this, I think you're taking it a bit to the extreme by calling prisons, penthouses. Come on now. Let's not fall into pointless exaggeration. Cells are never "nice". More bearable than they should be? Maybe. Nice? No.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Anyone who does that kind of "Look how in control we are" showing off, be it the side of "good" or the side of "evil", is bad. No excuse.

With regards to jail, I don't give a shit what he gets in jail. As long as he is given no outside communication or means to communicate dangerously (which he won't) then as far as I'm concerned, he's in jail. He's imprisoned and he is captured. Mission accomplished.

What happens after his imprisonment is of no concern to me. Just that he be imprisoned so that he can no longer roam free. Do I think it's ok that prisons allow "luxuries"? No. Can I change that? No. Would I rather they be dead or free? No. Lock them up so they can't do it again.

Regardless of all this, I think you're taking it a bit to the extreme by calling prisons, penthouses. Come on now. Let's not fall into pointless exaggeration. Cells are never "nice". More bearable than they should be? Maybe. Nice? No.

-AC

Well, as long as you don't care what happens to him in jail, (as I care neither what happens to him in OR out of jail) that suits me fine. I thought you were taking the route of treating him like a saint and
giving him all kinds of stuff to make his dying years good ones, as they DO happen to do to certain types in jails, not many though.

And maybe someone will get to him in jail anyhow and end his stay prematurley. I've seen enough episodes of OZ and heard enough prison stories from my mom ( a retired jail officer) to know that NOONE is untouchable.

I don't know where you got that from...it was never hinted.

I just think he should be locked up. I can't change what he gets given or taken in prison, just that he be locked up was my point.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I don't know where you got that from...it was never hinted.

I just think he should be locked up. I can't change what he gets given or taken in prison, just that he be locked up was my point.

-AC

Got what, the thing about giving him good stuff and trying to reform him?

It's just that with as many different "whys" and "hows" as to why he should live, I have heard a lot about 'reforming' Saddam and I thought this was where it was going. You can never reform someone like that.

Well regardless of what he gets or dosen't get, I suppose that he'll be sleeping with one eye open, not to mention the ever present threat of Bubba and his back door antics.

Or since the old underwear jokes are still floating around, maybe Saddam can work for Haines. They won't say Haines until HE says they say Haines..now THAT would be something.