Originally posted by soleran30
yup
You have, I believe, a triple-negative view on the value of life.
It's torture to lock the man away, but what he did is better than what courts do every day. So by your rationale, courts are more evil and torturous than Saddam.
Similarly, you're saying he should be put to death because there's no point keeping him alive.
I'm not entirely sure you've thought this through.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You have, I believe, a triple-negative view on the value of life.It's torture to lock the man away, but what he did is better than what courts do every day. So by your rationale, courts are more evil and torturous than Saddam.
Similarly, you're saying he should be put to death because there's no point keeping him alive.
I'm not entirely sure you've thought this through.
-AC
LOL a triple negative view........please for all that's good stop. You place words in my mouth, semantics are your thing awesome but don't tell me what I am saying. After I read your post I did get a good laugh I thought you were smarter then that.
You said you are against the death penalty.......ok, you clearly disapprove of Saddam's torture however you think its ok to define what torture means to you and then tell everyone else to accept it because its better.
There is no point in keeping a man alive like this, what is your purpose in locking him up? So you can feel like your a humanitarian? What is it........yes no absolutely keep this man alive......pay for him, make him suffer (now is that revenge or justice?) because at the end of the day I am not making an emotional desicsion on a death penalty it's LOGICAL to not spend more money and time on this guy then needed ✅ 🐰
Originally posted by soleran30
LOL a triple negative view........please for all that's good stop. You place words in my mouth, semantics are your thing awesome but don't tell me what I am saying. After I read your post I did get a good laugh I thought you were smarter then that.
I was asking, by all means correct me if I'm wrong on your view. I'm going by what you give me. If I am mistaken, explain yourself and we can move on.
Originally posted by soleran30
You said you are against the death penalty.......ok, you clearly disapprove of Saddam's torture however you think its ok to define what torture means to you and then tell everyone else to accept it because its better.
Didn't you just say "but don't tell me what I'm saying"? Y-yeah I think you did.
I think it's obvious that there are specific kinds of torture that are applicable to this situation. Seeing as you view prison as more torturous than being butchered and used as a test subject for bio weaponry, I think your view on what torture is has become a little misguided.
Originally posted by soleran30
There is no point in keeping a man alive like this, what is your purpose in locking him up? So you can feel like your a humanitarian? What is it........yes no absolutely keep this man alive......pay for him, make him suffer (now is that revenge or justice?) because at the end of the day I am not making an emotional desicsion on a death penalty it's LOGICAL to not spend more money and time on this guy then needed ✅ 🐰
I'm not intent on making the man suffer, I'm just not too bothered if he does. Do people suffer in prison? Yes. Is it because someone is torturing them? No, it's because it's a torturous experience.
Secondly, your rationale is flawed. If justice is what you want, then I can only guess that you want these terrorists stopped, right? He's being stopped by being imprisoned. Your goal is achieved. Why is killing him necessary? If justice is what you want, you can't then say "as long as I don't have to pay". Who are you to put a price tag on justice? What's the deal there? When justice costs a certain amount you just decide that your pockets aren't deep enough? Well then don't sit there claiming it's justice you want.
If life-long imprisonment, to you, is not enough. Then it's quite clearly not your goal to just stop these terrorists. It's to kill them. Which isn't necessary is it?
What is your goal? To stop these terrorists? Is that what you generally hope for? That these terrorists are caught and halted?
^^^Answer that last part, please. I don't want to have to keep asking like I did before.
-AC
"If life-long imprisonment, to you, is not enough. Then it's quite clearly not your goal to just stop these terrorists. It's to kill them. Which isn't necessary is it?
What is your goal? To stop these terrorists? Is that what you generally hope for? That these terrorists are caught and halted?"
It is necessary, get them out of the way why do you think we should contribute another penny to their lives......all that money already spent it just isn't logical.
I would certainly love to get rid of terrorists............death penalty or life in prison neither of these is going to stop terror.........there is no need to stockpile terrorists either.
Originally posted by soleran30
It is necessary, get them out of the way why do you think we should contribute another penny to their lives......all that money already spent it just isn't logical.
As I said, if you are willing to put a price on justice then you're nowhere near as gung-ho about justice as you believe yourself to be.
There's a superficial price for non-hypocritical safety? Odd choice.
Originally posted by soleran30
I would certainly love to get rid of terrorists............death penalty or life in prison neither of these is going to stop terror.........there is no need to stockpile terrorists either.
Doesn't answer my question, you keep doing this. Answer this:
What is your goal? To stop these terrorists? Is that what you generally hope for? That these terrorists are caught and halted?
You either hope this happens or you do not. If you do, then imprisonment is achieving your goal. Death sentences aren't necessary to achieve this.
-AC
Originally posted by Imagawa666
You are the most blindful person i see. You have a problem with us killing a mass murderer? What if he murdered your entire family youd want reveng e woudnt you?
IF he is judged to be a mass murderer, what do you get from killing him? The only thing you can get is vengeance... and if you have to live from that, then you are not truely alive. Vengeance is for outlaws and up till now we're still considered humans that can obey to rules and have morels no? Lifelong in jail is not only cheaper, it's also the most terrible thing you can get: no freedom anymore
To incarcerate someone without any chance of them getting out is simply a detainment center and it is a waste.............do you want to just make a place for all terrorists to hang out and sit around....?
I am all for Correctional facilities ie someone has a problem help them thats not what we are doing with this guy...........get rid of him, a waste to humanity a leech and he contributes nada.
Originally posted by Imagawa666
vengeance is waht he adn every other godfrosaken suppporter of him and bin laden serves.
If you live in a world were people should get killed before proven guilty, then go ahead, get a lethal injection, we'll go figure out what you did wrong after you died.
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Doesn't sound fair like that huh? Well, then it isn't fair to him either: first let the judge in the hope that he's impartial deceide that Saddam is guilty and let him find a HUMANE punishment.
You want blood on your hands? Cause you'll be as guilty as him for murdering someone then. Lock him up, let him feel for a long time then that he did horrible things.
Originally posted by soleran30
To incarcerate someone without any chance of them getting out is simply a detainment center and it is a waste.............do you want to just make a place for all terrorists to hang out and sit around....?I am all for Correctional facilities ie someone has a problem help them thats not what we are doing with this guy...........get rid of him, a waste to humanity a leech and he contributes nada.
You have an extremely blinkered, and wrong, view of prisons. I'm guessing the only one you ever visited was decorated with throw pillows?
A waste to humanity, so kill him? You haven't got that right. You can't kill him because he killed. Don't you see what's wrong with that picture?
You still haven't answered my question:
What is your goal? To stop these terrorists? Is that what you generally hope for? That these terrorists are caught and halted?
-AC
"You have an extremely blinkered, and wrong, view of prisons. I'm guessing the only one you ever visited was decorated with throw pillows?
A waste to humanity, so kill him? You haven't got that right. You can't kill him because he killed. Don't you see what's wrong with that picture?"
Nope prisons suck and actually most times they are called correctional facilities because their supposed purpose is to correct inmates. However you are simply calling for a detention center which I suppose you would place all the terrorists.....am I correct in assuming that?
I have yet to say kill him because he has killed however thats a piece you certainly focus on. So please enlighten me how is this man not a waste to humanity and what will he further do/contribute to better society in your proposed solution?
Originally posted by soleran30
So please enlighten me how is this man not a waste to humanity and what will he further do/contribute to better society in your proposed solution?
As lil bitchiness correctly pointed out, you kill him and he becomes a beacon.
You let him rot in jail, and he slowly fades away.
Personally, i know what being locked up means. If you are guilty of a crime, you try to come to terms with how did yoe end up in that situation. Then again, as defaint as Saddam is, IF in his mind he has commited no wrong, he wont feel any remorse.
Originally posted by soleran30
Nope prisons suck and actually most times they are called correctional facilities because their supposed purpose is to correct inmates. However you are simply calling for a detention center which I suppose you would place all the terrorists.....am I correct in assuming that?I have yet to say kill him because he has killed however thats a piece you certainly focus on. So please enlighten me how is this man not a waste to humanity and what will he further do/contribute to better society in your proposed solution?
Why not a waste? Because he's a human, that's why.
It is not because he killed that he should get killed, we have laws that prevent such action, blood has been spilled more than once to prevent such power being given to the wrong people and you want to send us back to the stone age with this! We're civil now or atleast claim we are, lets keep the image up and don't go nasty with killing people.
ow, one more thing: a leader of a country can not be a terrorist since he is the (democratic or not) leader, he has the power and people trying to overthrow that are the terrorists, or freedomfighters if you wish. So don't go call him a terrorist since he was taken down.