Execution of Saddam?

Originally posted by Imagawa666
Who cares...

You should care.

By denying the fair trial and being prejudical as you are being, your ideals are no less than Saddam's who imprisoned and tortured his attackers in Dujail without giving them humane treatment and a fair trial.

Or else we will end up going in circles. One must be able to distinguish himself. Get what i mean ?

With the due process of justice, of course, the coalition forces stands to gain something from it.

We know that there were lies by Bliar and Bush on their so called 'pre-empive' attack on Iraq, as it was a violation of Iraqi sovereignty.

Weapons of Mass Destruction? No.

Iraqi links to Al Qaeda? Well, there are now.

Saddam’s atrocities against his own people? This is the only one that still stands.

Through this trial, the Coalition and the Bush administration has the ability to make good on ONE of its primary claims about Iraq.

Originally posted by soleran30
This you are assuming unless you can see into the future....can you....

Well if you thought I was speaking of anything besides in theory, then there may be less hope than I originally thought.

Even in theory, it's the more logical approach. Clearly.

Originally posted by soleran30
As I have said I don't think we should waste a penny to shack him up. The greater positives you should be thinking about is "what do we gain by holding him for the rest of his life?" Well what is it.....do we become an icon for justice or a hypocrasy for torture?

So you shouldn't waste the money shacking him up, kill him? That genuinely IS illogical. Killing someone because safety is too expensive. There's been millions blown on an unjust war, why not use it to keep a dictator captive and the USA safER than it would likely be if he was killed off?

Your rationale is really silly. "We should kill him because keeping him alive is too damaging to the economy." What if killing him caused another Sept 11th? What if it did (not saying it will)? Would you stand by your decision if you knew they said they did it because you killed Saddam? Is it worth saving the money?

Originally posted by soleran30
the worst tortures aren't physical they are mental. After a time physical pain subsides mental is alive if you have breathe and can think. What you're asking me to do is to say which is a better torture....well use your logic and you tell me🙂

No, because we're not discussing which is the better torture are we? You are trying to turn it into that. Nobody is going to be in there trying to psychologically kill the man. It's just something that happens in prison, possibly.

Originally posted by soleran30
and the longest I stayed in jail was overnight on an unpaid ticket🙂 That was long enough for me to know thats not my kinda place.

Yeah...so, my question? I didn't ask it for laughs, I asked it to be answered.

Also this one:

You: If you think a man's words don't change people or incite action you must be blind.......it only takes one person to believe and follow through with conviction and you end up with a new faction for saddam seriously.

My reply: Right. So....does he do that with the telekinetics? What's the deal here? If he has no means of communication, no privileges, nothing...how does he do it?

Because this of course was one of your reasons for not imprisoning him.

-AC

"Even in theory, it's the more logical approach. Clearly."

In your mind its the most logical approach, clearly.

"Your rationale is really silly. "We should kill him because keeping him alive is too damaging to the economy." What if killing him caused another Sept 11th? What if it did (not saying it will)? Would you stand by your decision if you knew they said they did it because you killed Saddam? Is it worth saving the money?"

Not once did I say it was damaging to the economy you are assuming I meant that however never once did I discuss the economy nor lead anyone to believe my decsion was based what so ever with the economy because it doesn't.........I simply said he is a waste of money.

"No, because we're not discussing which is the better torture are we? You are trying to turn it into that. Nobody is going to be in there trying to psychologically kill the man. It's just something that happens in prison, possibly."

Yes well since you are the humanitarian here then you should give the man the choice.......jail or death penalty. I mean who are you to decide what is and isn't torture what is meaningful and what isn't to this person. If you think the death penalty is so meaningless and without logic then to what purpose does incarceration serve and to what meaning, also why do you feel it is so much better especially if you let someone choose.

O h and even if you didn't ask for laughs AC I still got a kisk out of it. You have no experience with jail you don't know what it does and yet you logically find it to be the more sensible approach.....ahh from the wisdom you have garnered I suppose.......

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
On CNN da other day, they were talking about if Saddam was executed, how it would effect Iraq. Should he?

Time for a Public Hanging.

You seem not to see the whole picture, or you're choosing not to believe it.

Silencing Saddam, by locking him up, and he will slowly fade away, kill him now and he'll live forever in psychopathic minds.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You seem not to see the whole picture, or you're choosing not to believe it.

Silencing Saddam, by locking him up, and he will slowly fade away, kill him now and he'll live forever in psychopathic minds.

You seem to believe that locking him up will allow him to fade away.......Nelson Mandela was locked up for a long long time and ended up running his country.........locking up doesn't mean thrown/fade away......history tends to repeat itself.

Originally posted by soleran30
In your mind its the most logical approach, clearly.

No, stop being silly. Looking at the logical and rational possible outcomes for both, imprisonment is clearly better. You either can't state why it's not, or you don't know.

Originally posted by soleran30
Not once did I say it was damaging to the economy you are assuming I meant that however never once did I discuss the economy nor lead anyone to believe my decsion was based what so ever with the economy because it doesn't.........I simply said he is a waste of money.

Exactly, how stupid can you be? "Don't lock him up. Kill him." "Why? That, in clear and reasonable theory, will only cause more problems and it's also very hypocritical." "Yeah, cheaper though."

Flawed rationale to say the least. What matters more to you? Resolution or saving money?

Originally posted by soleran30
Yes well since you are the humanitarian here then you should give the man the choice.......jail or death penalty. I mean who are you to decide what is and isn't torture what is meaningful and what isn't to this person. If you think the death penalty is so meaningless and without logic then to what purpose does incarceration serve and to what meaning, also why do you feel it is so much better especially if you let someone choose.

So now you've resorted to just typing stuff that doesn't make sense in hopes of hitting on something that justifies your extremely lame argument.

Stop trying to go off somewhere else. The fact of the matter is this, if he's put in jail with no privileges and no specialties, he won't be tortured. If he goes mental because of it, that's because he can't handle it. No one will be in there trying to torture the man. He'd be imprisoned, that's as far as it should go, and that's as far as it would go. You're making excuses to kill him and it's pathetic. Now we've whittled it down to "Waste of money" as your reason for execution.

Originally posted by soleran30
O h and even if you didn't ask for laughs AC I still got a kisk out of it. You have no experience with jail you don't know what it does and yet you logically find it to be the more sensible approach.....ahh from the wisdom you have garnered I suppose.......

Yeah so, you gonna answer my questions or are you gonna keep dodging?

I'll ask you again:

You: If you think a man's words don't change people or incite action you must be blind.......it only takes one person to believe and follow through with conviction and you end up with a new faction for saddam seriously.

My reply: Right. So....does he do that with the telekinetics? What's the deal here? If he has no means of communication, no privileges, nothing...how does he do it?

First one ^^^. I expect it answered.

What's worse, torturing many people with gases and brutal physical torture, or being in prison with a bed and toilet facilities, for your crimes....forever?

Second one ^^^.

Nice and italicised for you. Try not to dodge them again.

-AC

My reply: Right. So....does he do that with the telekinetics? What's the deal here? If he has no means of communication, no privileges, nothing...how does he do it?

See I thought you were joking LOL telekinetics is moving objects........telepathy is thought transfer.......so the answer to your question is I highly doubt he will be moving objects with his mind to people HAHA ✅ 🐰 Please before you become adamant about responses check your questions.

Originally posted by soleran30
My reply: Right. So....does he do that with the telekinetics? What's the deal here? If he has no means of communication, no privileges, nothing...how does he do it?

See I thought you were joking LOL telekinetics is moving objects........telepathy is thought transfer.......so the answer to your question is I highly doubt he will be moving objects with his mind to people HAHA ✅ 🐰 Please before you become adamant about responses check your questions.

If I was refering to telepathy you'd have had me there. Before you comment, please don't assume. Thanks.

He's not able to send supplies to people via telekinesis is he? Just as he's not able to comment with telepathy.

So stop dodging my questions, here they are again:

1) If he has no means of communication, no privileges, nothing...how does he do it? Since this was one of you reasons for not imprisoning him. What danger does he present in prison? None, but go on.

2) What's worse, torturing many people with gases and brutal physical torture, or being in prison with a bed and toilet facilities, for your crimes....forever?

Answer them, stop browning your undergarments. Oh, and none of that "I can't say what's worse" bs, because there is a clear answer to the second question.

I'm not gonna just let you off, you might as well answer them, cos I'll just keep asking if you do not.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Life isn't fair, shit happens. What you are suggesting isn't justice, it's vengeance and eye-for-an-eye mentality. Which isn't needed. What you want done with the man, and what would solve more problems instead of causing them are clearly two different things aren't they?You are confusing personal feelings with practical action and that's not what is needed in this case.
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And I'm sure if the shoe were on the other foot and YOU had loved
ones murdered, it wouldn't be a case of "shit happens", I'm sure you would want to make sure the one who killed your loved ones wouldn't be set free to do it again. It's always different when it's someone else's problem and not your own, isn't it? I love how people talk about how life isn't fair and then shit themselves when it's THEIR turn in the barrel.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Dead dictators can't do anything can they? No. Neither can living dictators locked away for the rest of their lives. So why not take the way that ISN'T stooping to his level and being hypocritical?
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Yeah, and while he's locked away, he can get 3 meals a day, exercise, and get a chance at life while the relatives of those he killed have to live w\o the comfort and happiness their loved ones could have provided them over the years, not to mention the irreparable mental damage he and his sons caused to the families of the victims.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Saying "Screw it..." doesn't make you cool.[/B]

Ooooo, well that just busts MY britches don't it? I'm not here to be "cool." This thread offers us the chance to speak our feelings, and not to say what's "right" or "cool". It's not about being cool. Maybe that's YOUR mission but it's isn't mine.

Oh well, with Michael Moore as his defense attorney, I'm sure Saddam has a great chance of getting off and going back to the streets. Hooray 🙄

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
And I'm sure if the shoe were on the other foot and YOU had loved
ones murdered, it wouldn't be a case of "shit happens", I'm sure you would want to make sure the one who killed your loved ones wouldn't be set free to do it again. It's always different when it's someone else's problem and not your own, isn't it? I love how people talk about how life isn't fair and then shit themselves when it's THEIR turn in the barrel.

Exactly. I wouldn't want them set free to do it again. You are absolutely right. We agree 100% in that. That's exactly my point. Don't set him free to do it again.

Why is death necessary for this to happen?

Don't speak for me, learn that. Don't pull the age old "If it were you..." argument on me. That's been tried before and it doesn't work.

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
Yeah, and while he's locked away, he can get 3 meals a day, exercise, and get a chance at life while the relatives of those he killed have to live w\o the comfort and happiness their loved ones could have provided them over the years, not to mention the irreparable mental damage he and his sons caused to the families of the victims.

How does he get a chance at life? He's alive, yeah. That's hardly a chance at life if it's spent in some cell for the rest of his natural life is it? My idea of revenge isn't giving them the easy way out and being as bad. That's the simple minded, "I can't think but five minutes infront of me" vigilante mind-set.

The damage he's done is unforgivable, but who's asking anyone to forgive the man? To me, justice is locking him up and taking away his freedom until the day he dies. Would I want the man dead who harmed/killed my family? Yes. Am I stupid and hypocritical enough to want the blood on my hands? No. So if it were up to me I'd keep him alive and lock him away forever. Because while it might hurt in the heart, I'd know that it was taking away from him something that he loves and wants, as he did from me. If your whole idea behind this is do unto others, then you should want that too.

This is all based on your personal views rather than what's practical.

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
Ooooo, well that just busts MY britches don't it? I'm not here to be "cool." This thread offers us the chance to speak our feelings, and not to say what's "right" or "cool". It's not about being cool. Maybe that's YOUR mission but it's isn't mine.

Haha, nice technique. Reverse what I said because I accused you of it. Original, never seen before material. I like it.

Speaking with your heart in mind is all very well and good, speaking with your brain first is better.

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
Oh well, with Michael Moore as his defense attorney, I'm sure Saddam has a great chance of getting off and going back to the streets. Hooray 🙄

I do absolutely love it when, in a failing attempt to falsely exacerbate what I'm saying, people make a completely stupid point of view in the hope that it will make me look bad.

Do quite love that. One of my favourite things ever.

-AC

If he is executed, I would not be suprised to see statues of Saddam in Iraq again in 20 years, but this time as a martyr for the cause of Iraq.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

I do absolutely love it when, in a failing attempt to falsely exacerbate what I'm saying, people make a completely stupid point of view in the hope that it will make me look bad.

Do quite love that. One of my favourite things ever.

In many ways, you are quite a sad specimen of personified genitalia, aren't you.

Sort of, but not in the derogatory sense. Although you do subscribe to the negative zone theory which is untrue.

-AC

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
In many ways, you are quite a sad specimen of personified genitalia, aren't you.

That's funny.

Don't encourage him.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Don't encourage him.

-AC

I think VVD is adult enough to can act upon his own behalf with or without my encouragement.

Humour, come on in.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Humour, come on in.

-AC

Humour is currently outside having a discussion with sarcasm about some of your comments, both are shaking their heads in disbelief.

I realise you have a new found love of VVD's material, I agree it's funny. I just don't see why you have to become menstrual every time you don't get one of my comments rather than asking if I meant it in a non-serious way.

-AC