Originally posted by Space M ummy
going back to the gym example: if you and the next guy can both lift 250lbs over your head, but he collapses and drops it after 5 seconds, and you can hold it up for an additional 5 minutes, who's stronger?
I would say say I'm stronger in that case. But if he can lift 5 more lbs than me, althought I can hold mine up for 10 seconds longer, I'd say he was stronger. I guess it comes down to opinion. I think of strength as the level of Force one can apply.
Originally posted by scotsmn
Well then our definitions of strength are completely different. I think of strength as something that gives you the ability to move something. Duration never crosses my mind. When I go to the gym and I'm measuring my strength on a bench press, I have never measured by how long I can hold the weight up... I go by the heaviest amount I can lift.Leonidas' argument is that the gem can only grant the strength/power of this particular universe, so it's not infinite. Hulk gets his strength from another dimension, maybe something like the speed force... strength force? 😂 This would supposedly make his strength infinite. Because of this, his ability to lift would be infinite.. but you believe his human side wouldn't be able to keep it up indefinitely. I haven't seen Hulk put something down before because he was tired but I guess it's a possibility.
I'm gonna say that Hulk can become stronger for a limited time at least.
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Originally posted by Space M ummy
leonidas wasn't exactly correct when he said the gem's power is limited to this universe. it was a part of a being that claimed to create universes, so an argument could be made that its power does indeed exceed that contained in THIS particular universe.in any case, how can you make the argument that the energy contained in one universe/dimension exceeds that of another? how much energy is in a universe? how would you exhaust it?
going back to the gym example: if you and the next guy can both lift 250lbs over your head, but he collapses and drops it after 5 seconds, and you can hold it up for an additional 5 minutes, who's stronger?
you'd need to prove to me that the infinity gauntlet has some sort of multiversal power for me to consider your side as correct. can't recall the name of the being the gems were personifications of . . .
as far as the universe containing a finite amount of power -- all universes are created and destroyed, and exist for only finite amounts of time -- the cycle is determined by the pf, most say. universes exist in a finite amount of space, and exist for a finite amount of time, and contain a finite amount of energy.
beyond that, there are varying scales of infinity. so it IS possible for hulk's 'infinite' strength, to be 'greater' than the gem's 'infinite' power.
Originally posted by Ultimate Rage😉
i believe its true......thanos........defeated thor with the power gem we all know that thanos dosent have limitless strength......so either the gem really sucks ass....or no one really knows how to use it to its full potential.....
Hulk =< Drax
The Hulk does not have unlimited strenght no matter what some may say. I would think The Void breaking his bones would put The Hulk in such anger that he should have trashed The Void but did not because The Hulk even angry was not strong enough. Same goes for Thanos. Thanos trashes The Hulk and even when in a mindless rage still cannot match Thanos' brute force. With this in mind The Hulk maybe one of the strongest there is but his strength does have a limit even if it is something like 999,999,999,999 tons.
Originally posted by kgkg
😉 That really wasn't much a battle.Am saying Drax is a Hulk like character whose strength can go way up there.
Drax hits a limit though whereas Hulk doesn't. What determines how fast Hulk gets stronger is the situation and the incarnation of Hulk. Mindless Hulk would climb very quickly in strength but Prof would lag behind.
Originally posted by scotsmn😉
Drax has never been stated to have a limit outside our universe. He is less than the power gem. He has a limit.
His powers where explained to be a dimension of limitless power meaning a limitless reservoir to get stronger.
Originally posted by scotsmnChampion destroyed Colossus like he did everyone else in Marvel two-in One Annual #7. But Colossus did almost last a full round.When did Champion beat down Colossus? .
Thing did the best cause it was boxing only rules match.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandChampion.jpg
Some of the descriptions of Drax's strength seem to be hyperbole. Although he is a stud, he has never been anything near a match for Thanos. They really aren't in the same league; Odin blasted Drax into unconsciousness with ease...his same attack didnt make Thanos flinch.
About Juggernaut taking a decade to crawl out from under a mountain: When he first became the Juggernaut the cavern he was inside collapsed on him...took him a decade to crawl out unless Im mistaken. It also took him a month to get out of the that concrete foundation the time he got beat by...Spiderman 🙁 I imagine Champion would have just clapped his hands together in either case and free himself in the process of destroying the landscape.
Thing had the best showing against Champion because he was the best fighter there, the most disciplined, the most prepared, the strongest of mind and body. In my opinion Thor and Hulk would have also given him a good fight. What boxing has to do with i dont know...as far as I knew neither Ben Grimm or Colossus were formerly trained at boxing in particular although they have been formerly trained other combat techniques. Thing also managed to put up a good fight and even break some of Champions ribs. Did Colossus get a punch off?
Originally posted by WynndarWell atleast Colossus was never k.o.'d. He took blow after blow but still held in there. Not bad for a teenage kid at the time.Thing had the best showing against Champion because he was the best fighter there, the most disciplined, the most prepared, the strongest of mind and body. In my opinion Thor and Hulk would have also given him a good fight. What boxing has to do with i dont know...as far as I knew neither Ben Grimm or Colossus were formerly trained at boxing in particular although they have been formerly trained other combat techniques. Thing also managed to put up a good fight and even break some of Champions ribs. Did Colossus get a punch off?
Your right thing did have the better boxing skill out of everyone there.
Originally posted by Wynndar
About Juggernaut taking a decade to crawl out from under a mountain: When he first became the Juggernaut the cavern he was inside collapsed on him...took him a decade to crawl out unless Im mistaken. It also took him a month to get out of the that concrete foundation the time he got beat by...Spiderman 🙁
i've always been a bit puzzled by why it is people think juggs is so strong. clearly he is very strong -- high cl100, but there are heroes at least as strong and some stronger. personally, i'd put him at abomination level or slightly higher. i don't believe he 'draws' strength from cyttorak. he HAS the strength, but it doesn't amplify like hulk's or drax's. it is a set strength. thor appeared to be at least as strong or stronger once he cut juggs off from his shield. hulk tossed him around a couple times though he didn't ko him. he's tough to beat because of his shield, not because of his strength. without his shield there are many heroes who would beat him. anyone care to name a few of his highest end feats?
