ICEMAN vs. DOOMSDAY
It has come to my attention that Iceman can steal kinetic energy, cannot be damaged and can exist as water, snow, ice, gas...etc.
Is there anyway DD can beat Iceman or will Iceman wear him down? Would he be able to wedge water inside of him and then.. expand it and hurt DD? This seems like an interesting fight.
Fight takes places in Texas on flat land.
Hope this'll help you understand somewhat:
http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/bec/temperature.html
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Originally posted by Dark Urizen
Hope this'll help you understand somewhat:http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/bec/temperature.html
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... is that supposed to be an argument FOR Iceman or against? 😕
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Iceman could stop him in his tracks...so he could not move, if he can steal kinetic energy. Would that be counted as a win?
In Iceman's case, it would be a draw, because he'd have to stay there to keep Doomsday frozen, by convection, Doomsday would eventually thaw out.
Iceman can't "steal KE" in the sense that Flash does, cutting a person off from motion... he just, literally, makes them cold. But so long as there's motion in the universe, there would theoretically be something to warm Doomsday up.
The other problem is that Doomsday seems to generate his own energy. For example, thrown into the vacuum of space with heat bleeding off his person, he never froze up and never lost consciousness. That means he was generating his own heat to counteract the vacuum. So unless Bobby commits his life to keeping Doomsday in a freeze, Doomsday would eventually thaw himself out.
My take on the battle, assuming Bobby fighting at his peak potential which he rarely does, Bobby is able to kill Doomsday repeatedly until Doomsday develops immunity to Bobby's power. Then Bobby contains and exiles Doomsday to space, not killing him, but a technical ring out... eventually Doomsday makes his way back, though, and is too much for Iceman to stop.
Two most likely mechanism for Doomsday to evolve in order to stop Bobby would be either an anti-mutant ability, taking way Bobby's powers, or some form a psychic attack to hurt his mind.
Originally posted by DemasDoomsday doesn't have to die to adapt to something, he does it on the fly the moment it's used. Check Hunter/Prey he did it serveral times in that story alone.
In Iceman's case, it would be a draw, because he'd have to stay there to keep Doomsday frozen, by convection, Doomsday would eventually thaw out.Iceman can't "steal KE" in the sense that Flash does, cutting a person off from motion... he just, literally, makes them cold. But so long as there's motion in the universe, there would theoretically be something to warm Doomsday up.
The other problem is that Doomsday seems to generate his own energy. For example, thrown into the vacuum of space with heat bleeding off his person, he never froze up and never lost consciousness. That means he was generating his own heat to counteract the vacuum. So unless Bobby commits his life to keeping Doomsday in a freeze, Doomsday would eventually thaw himself out.
My take on the battle, assuming Bobby fighting at his peak potential which he rarely does, Bobby is able to kill Doomsday repeatedly until Doomsday develops immunity to Bobby's power. Then Bobby contains and exiles Doomsday to space, not killing him, but a technical ring out... eventually Doomsday makes his way back, though, and is too much for Iceman to stop.
Two most likely mechanism for Doomsday to evolve in order to stop Bobby would be either an anti-mutant ability, taking way Bobby's powers, or some form a psychic attack to hurt his mind.
Originally posted by The Ion
I believe it shows the coldness of any place on Earth, say Canada for example, is nowhere near the level Bobby can go to. 😉
correct
Originally posted by scotsmn
Iceman is said to be invulnerable.
While in ice shape and in an environment where there's any kind or form of moisture, correct.
Originally posted by Demas
In Iceman's case, it would be a draw, because he'd have to stay there to keep Doomsday frozen, by convection, Doomsday would eventually thaw out.Iceman can't "steal KE" in the sense that Flash does, cutting a person off from motion... he just, literally, makes them cold. But so long as there's motion in the universe, there would theoretically be something to warm Doomsday up.
The other problem is that Doomsday seems to generate his own energy. For example, thrown into the vacuum of space with heat bleeding off his person, he never froze up and never lost consciousness. That means he was generating his own heat to counteract the vacuum. So unless Bobby commits his life to keeping Doomsday in a freeze, Doomsday would eventually thaw himself out.
My take on the battle, assuming Bobby fighting at his peak potential which he rarely does, Bobby is able to kill Doomsday repeatedly until Doomsday develops immunity to Bobby's power. Then Bobby contains and exiles Doomsday to space, not killing him, but a technical ring out... eventually Doomsday makes his way back, though, and is too much for Iceman to stop.
Two most likely mechanism for Doomsday to evolve in order to stop Bobby would be either an anti-mutant ability, taking way Bobby's powers, or some form a psychic attack to hurt his mind.
VERY correct, with the possible exception IMO that i don't see how Doomsday can beat him 😬
Originally posted by MetalmanxWell, he and Superman killed eachother, but then he just healed...
How the hell is Doomsday ever beaten then?I say Stalemate.
Actual Doomsday is pretty much still the top of the heap. Since Superman's death, no one has been able to approach him really... Other than that, he's had a lot of cheap coppies that were taken down easily, like that one people like to post of Superman dodging him like Dragonball, and putting him down in 2 punches.
He'd adapt to the ice ability near instantly[assuming it would even work in the first place] and then Ice Man couldn't harm him.
Originally posted by Juntai
Doomsday doesn't have to die to adapt to something, he does it on the fly the moment it's used. Check Hunter/Prey he did it serveral times in that story alone.
I'm familiar with the story, but I think Iceman has enough power to kill Doomsday at least once and theoretically keep Doomsday in deep freeze if he sticks around... the only reason Doomsday would evolve a mechanism against being frozen is if he perceives it as a threat, and it's arguable that being in the constant state of being frozen, he wouldn't perceive the threat. I mean that's how Doomsday was contained at other times... it's not like he perceived the constant teleportation as a threat and evolved a way out of it. Similarly when he first came to Earth he didn't evolve past his shackles. I think Doomsday can be contained and while he can clearly evolve on the fly, typically being killed is what triggers his evolution mechanism.
VERY correct, with the possible exception IMO that i don't see how Doomsday can beat him 😬 [/B]
I mention it at the end of my post. Doomsday can develop new abilities. Two most likely, IMO, are an anti-mutant ability... similar to the collars from Genosha and/or what's happening in Decimation... you nullify Iceman's abilities and you take away his invulnerability. Alternatively, Iceman is still vulnerable to psychic attack, so aftering being killed enough times, it's possible Doomsday develops psychic attacks of his own. The latter is more offensive than defensive, so I think the mutant-power nullification ability is more likely.
Originally posted by DemasYou're talking about plot devices vs powers now, [evolve to a plot device? lol] no power or physical means [Aside from Imperiex, anyways,... enough said.] has been able to stop Doomsday since Superman. And neither will iceman be able to.
I'm familiar with the story, but I think Iceman has enough power to kill Doomsday at least once and theoretically keep Doomsday in deep freeze if he sticks around... the only reason Doomsday would evolve a mechanism against being frozen is if he perceives it as a threat, and it's arguable that being in the constant state of being frozen, he wouldn't perceive the threat. I mean that's how Doomsday was contained at other times... it's not like he perceived the constant teleportation as a threat and evolved a way out of it. Similarly when he first came to Earth he didn't evolve past his shackles. I think Doomsday can be contained and while he can clearly evolve on the fly, typically being killed is what triggers his evolution mechanism.
I think you're just a little too defensive and/or protective of Supes, but whatever. Iceman's omega-class abilities would seem to have enough power to kill Doomsday at least once, the only thing to the contrary is "plot-device" invulnerability. Meanwhile Doomsday has been contained by some very mundane things, which if there was a mutant capable of them, I'm sure could contain him just as well.
As for the end result, I've already said, Doomsday wins, but if you can't bear for him to be even scratched, I guess that's your issue.