ICEMAN vs. DOOMSDAY

Originally posted by Demas
[B]Uh, you might try READING the post that you're replying to. Blunt Trauma proves that Doomsday's evolution is progressive, unless you're claiming he has NEVER been hit before Superman came along (which is utterly ridiculous). It shows that Doomsday doesn't necessarily develop all encompassing immunities but graded defenses/resistances. This is SEEN as evidenced by DOS.

Every form of invulnerability you speak of is SPECULATIVE based on UNSEEN power tests, using only plot-induced tests to justify all-encompassing immunity. For you part this is entirely an ASSUMPTION.

He and Superman beat eachother to death, and NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO CONFRONT HIM PHYSICALLY SINCE THAT TIME. NOT EVEN SUPERMAN COULD DO IT. Mounted resistance or immunity?

Now show me an innate power downing current Doomsday. . . you can't, because it hasn't happened. But as we've seen, he's fully adapated and immunized against everything thrown at him, and that fact alone outweights the speculation of what "might possibly" work. Even if absolutely every power has been thrown at him or not.

Iceman can't currently teleport, same as current Superman can't vibrate through space-time even though we know it's in his powerset because future and past versions have.

Originally posted by Juntai

Iceman can't currently teleport, same as current Superman can't vibrate through space-time even though we know it's in his powerset because future and past versions have.

not gonna get into the debate much just wanted to point out that Iceman CAN currently teleport, did it in X-men Forever, which is cannon and current iceman...

Originally posted by Demas
Uh, you might try READING the post that you're replying to. Blunt Trauma proves that Doomsday's evolution is progressive, unless you're claiming he has NEVER been hit before Superman came along (which is utterly ridiculous). It shows that Doomsday doesn't necessarily develop all encompassing immunities but graded defenses/resistances. This is SEEN as evidenced by DOS.

Every form of invulnerability you speak of is SPECULATIVE based on UNSEEN power tests, using only plot-induced tests to justify all-encompassing immunity. For you part this is entirely an ASSUMPTION.

He's teleported himself. As for others, as was said, the potential exists with in him. If you're going to speak purely of speculative potentials rather than proven and seen tests, then the same standard applied to Iceman allows him teleportation. [/QUOTE]

I agree with Demas. It seems to me Doomsday's "immunity" is an exaggeration. It's basically a huge fortification. That's why it's said that he "evolves". It's a gradual thing. For example, if Doomsday let's say never fought anyone. A school girl walking home from school kicks him in the shin. That doesn't mean afterwards he can't be hurt by punches and kicks anymore. Let's say afterwards, Chuck Norris kicks him in the shin. His resistance grows and grows. Then Superman kicks him in the shin. His resistance advances even more. But by the time it reaches Superman level, to us mere humans it seems invulnerability, since we can't reproduce even THAT kind of attack (which he's evolved past anyway).

In the same way, if he's fought Ice, it doesn't mean he's automatically immune to cold or cold attacks. Just has a certain level of resistance.

ps: yeah, i agree with Xmarksthespot. X-men Forever showed Iceman teleporting all over the place and reforming out of thin air, completely freezeing then de-freezing Toad's tongue in a heartbeat, etc. etc. It's continuity AFAIK. He's just too stupid to use his powers the way he should. EG: While still in Prosh, AFTER having used his teleportation and such, he keeps making ice slides and Mystique actually calls him an idiot for doing that since now he can teleport.

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
He's teleported himself. As for others, as was said, the potential exists with in him. If you're going to speak purely of speculative potentials rather than proven and seen tests, then the same standard applied to Iceman allows him teleportation.

Originally posted by Dark Urizen

I agree with Demas. It seems to me Doomsday's "immunity" is an exaggeration. It's basically a huge fortification. That's why it's said that he "evolves". It's a gradual thing. For example, if Doomsday let's say never fought anyone. A school girl walking home from school kicks him in the shin. That doesn't mean afterwards he can't be hurt by punches and kicks anymore. Let's say afterwards, Chuck Norris kicks him in the shin. His resistance grows and grows. Then Superman kicks him in the shin. His resistance advances even more. But by the time it reaches Superman level, to us mere humans it seems invulnerability, since we can't reproduce even THAT kind of attack (which he's evolved past anyway).

In the same way, if he's fought Ice, it doesn't mean he's automatically immune to cold or cold attacks. Just has a certain level of resistance.

ps: yeah, i agree with Xmarksthespot. X-men Forever showed Iceman teleporting all over the place and reforming out of thin air, completely freezeing then de-freezing Toad's tongue in a heartbeat, etc. etc. It's continuity AFAIK. He's just too stupid to use his powers the way he should. EG: While still in Prosh, AFTER having used his teleportation and such, he keeps making ice slides and Mystique actually calls him an idiot for doing that since now he can teleport.

So what you're saying is Doomsday CAN develope an immunity to Iceman's cold? How could this be explained? How can he stop Iceman from sapping the energy from his body (making him cold)?

Originally posted by scotsmn
So what you're saying is Doomsday CAN develope an immunity to Iceman's cold? How could this be explained? How can he stop Iceman from sapping the energy from his body (making him cold)?

What i was saying wasn't a response to you. It was a response to Juntai to tell him my opinion that Doomsday doesn't develop Immunity, just a certain level of resistance. EG: just because he has a level of resistance vs. the powers of the character Ice from DC doesn't mean he's immune to Iceman's powers.

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
What i was saying wasn't a response to you. It was a response to Juntai to tell him my opinion that Doomsday doesn't develop Immunity, just a certain level of resistance. EG: just because he has a level of resistance vs. the powers of the character Ice from DC doesn't mean he's immune to Iceman's powers.

I guess MY question is, how do you develope a resistance to your molecules being "slowed down"? Couldn't Iceman always do that to him without him ever developing a resistance?

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
ps: yeah, i agree with Xmarksthespot. X-men Forever showed Iceman teleporting all over the place and reforming out of thin air, completely freezeing then de-freezing Toad's tongue in a heartbeat, etc. etc. It's continuity AFAIK. He's just too stupid to use his powers the way he should. EG: While still in Prosh, AFTER having used his teleportation and such, he keeps making ice slides and Mystique actually calls him an idiot for doing that since now he can teleport.

Originally posted by scotsmn
I guess MY question is, how do you develope a resistance to your molecules being "slowed down"? Couldn't Iceman always do that to him without him ever developing a resistance?

The same way the heat in the universe never goes lower than 3 degrees above absolute zero (without outside interference). Except there it's a residue of the Big Bang. He could somehow develop an internal source of heat.....but it'd have to be incredibly powerful...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's nice to be agreed with without even posting in a thread... 😄

Imeant Blair Wind 😮
I guess you're just always on my mind 😍

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
Imeant Blair Wind 😮
I guess you're just always on my mind 😍

Doomsday would win this. He's already fought and beaten a being of pure energy and was able to alter the beings energy signature. Iceman wouldnt be any different.

Put DD in a block of ice, move the ice to the north pole,throw him in a lake, thier, and freeze it over, with him at the bottom.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
😍 You may have evolved into Dark Urizen but you'll always be my Wickerman... 😂

😆 Freakeh 😂

Originally posted by King KAM
Put DD in a block of ice, move the ice to the north pole,throw him in a lake, thier, and freeze it over, with him at the bottom.

Then wait for 0.000001 seconds till he breaks out 😬

a.k.a. pointless

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
Then wait for 0.000001 seconds till he breaks out 😬

a.k.a. pointless

Originally posted by King KAM
not if you dont give him any room to vibrate, make the block of ice tight

Useless. He WOULD break out unless Iceman is there 24/7 for the rest of eternity to watch over him. And even so, he'd eventually evolve in some freaky PIS way that would allow him to break out.

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
Useless. He WOULD break out unless Iceman is there 24/7 for the rest of eternity to watch over him. And even so, he'd eventually evolve in some freaky PIS way that would allow him to break out.

You mean, develope a resistance to the cold?

Originally posted by scotsmn
You mean, develope a resistance to the cold?

No 🙄
He already has a certain level of resistance to cold. If Iceman used Absolute Zero or such on him, completely stopping the motion of each and every particle in his body, i don't know what would happen.
But the way KK made it sound, he'd just use an ice cube in a cold place to keep him down. AKA not cold enough, not enough pressure, not enough force.

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
And even so, he'd eventually evolve in some freaky PIS way that would allow him to break out.

looks like you're saying there's a way for him to avoid being frozen 😄
I wonder if any existing characters already have that ability.. hmm.. Oh, Iceman has that ability! There's one... hmmm 😉

Originally posted by scotsmn
looks like you're saying there's a way for him to avoid being frozen 😄
I wonder if any existing characters already have that ability.. hmm.. Oh, Iceman has that ability! There's one... hmmm 😉

Don't put words in my mouth please. Where did i say there's a way for him to avoid being frozen?
I mentioned in my previous post (i think) that if it's just a normal freeze, Doomsday has a certain degree of resistance to cold which would evolve to the point of where he is resistant to the cold attacking him at the moment. That does NOT put him beyond Absolute Zero.
After becoming resistant to the cold attacking him he could concievably simply break out of the icy prison.

Again, please don't twist my words around.