Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
I respect your opinion there Bardock, I just dont agree with it regarding AC. Sorry, only thing that comes to mind for me here is EGO. Later tater. 🙂
Well alright. I can live with that. ... I still don't know what Schumn k is though...I kniow Schmuck...thats jiddish I believe....did you mean that.....or diod you create the word so you didn't have to say "Ac you ****** *********** **** ****er"?
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriYou said "the Hives" you can't say "the Isis" is good either... it still doesn't agree. ❌
To use another example:Band names. The Hives and Isis, right? You can't realistically say The Hives is good. You CAN say that Isis ARE good, or IS good. Because the name suggests singular, but they are infact a collection of individuals. Like a class.
So what I said still applies.
-AC
Originally posted by PVS
oh will you come off it already? i only addressed the personal attack that apparently never was 🙄 whatever.anyway, here is a good link for the collective noun debate you've been engaged in
A lot of people in America I've found, apply that logic to many collectives. Anything consisting of more than one person but with one collective tag is always refered to as is.
Over here, it's are. As I've used bands (another collective under an often singular tag) as an example. People often say "Is" rather then "Are". Both are applicable. I don't use "Is" in such a context.
-AC
"the hives" is a plural in itself, but in the context of referring to the band, it is singular...mostly...depending on the context of the sentence.
but the term "the hives is playing a show tonight" its a gramatically correct i believe. of coarse it sounds awkward...but its still correct. not saying that the alternative "are" would be incorrect.
:edit: unless the band actually consisted of hives 😛
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You said "the Hives" you can't say "the Isis" is good either... it still doesn't agree. ❌
Because they're not called "The Isis" are they? When the singular TAG in itself is plural, obviously you can't use a singular. Well, you technically could I guess, but as PVS said it would sound awkward.
If they were called The Hive. You could use is or are.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriI was talking about the phrasing, which in that case would be incorrect. ✅
Because they're not called "The Isis" are they? When the singular TAG in itself is plural, obviously you can't use a singular. Well, you technically could I guess, but as PVS said it would sound awkward.If they were called The Hive. You could use is or are.
-AC
Originally posted by PVS
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but the term "the hives is playing a show tonight" its a gramatically correct i believe. of coarse it sounds awkward...but its still correct. not saying that the alternative "are" would be incorrect.
Correct.
You may refer to a singular band in the plural if you refer to the members of that band. The meaning is then not obscured, however the grammar becomes a little bit iffy because you should really say something like 'The members of The Hives are good'.
That's a little bit too prescriptive though.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Eg: If you went to a show you could say "Isis was awesome tonight." Or "Isis were awesome tonight."I view them as a group, not one thing.
-AC
i think thats more a matter of what we are accustomed to speaking, but not a matter of what is gramattically correct. i would say "the hives are on tour" simply because im conditioned to tag an 'are' on to a plural noun, regardless of whether it is part of a singular title. there is no gramatical rule demanding it though.
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Anyway....
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
How do people rate their own spelling or grammatical proficiency?Forget capitalisation, if you can't do that you shouldn't be allowed near a device with electricity running through it.
I am a total perfectionist who will go back and edit if I spot an error. Even when I'm talking on MSN I'll scan my messages before sending to be sure that I haven't majorly messed anything up. I'm a bit nuts about it, but hey. Better than coming off as an idiot because I can't bother with basic grammar and spelling.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Well we agree then, as long as the article "the" isn't used in there then you aren't restricted to "is".
Technically you aren't restricted.
Take 'The White Stripes'. If each member is a 'White Stripe', then you would be restricted to 'are'. However as 'The White Stripes' is a singular noun, 'is' is correct, if not a little clumsy sounding.
Originally posted by PVS
i think thats more a matter of what we are accustomed to speaking, but not a matter of what is gramattically correct. i would say "the hives are on tour" simply because im conditioned to tag an 'are' on to a plural noun, regardless of whether it is part of a singular title. there is no gramatical rule demanding it though.
Exactly as I stated earlier, it's about restricted code.
Well done PVS
anyway, the original sentence "The class are getting it wrong" is incorrect, since the class is acting as a group as opposed to independantly. if the sentence was "the class are getting it wrong, flunking, and are not educated correctly."
that would be correct. since one student may get it wrong, but not flunk...and so on.
Originally posted by PVSYes... thats a wrap there.
anyway, the original sentence "The class are getting it wrong" is incorrect, since the class is acting as a group as opposed to independantly. if the sentence was "the class are getting it wrong, flunking, and are not educated correctly."
that would be correct. since one student may get it wrong, but not flunk...and so on.