Character Ownage

Originally posted by ODG
[B]No, I don't need somebody manipulating scans with their own coloring to obfuscate the panel itself. All I see are Wolverine's claws shoved straight into his own skull. I know this because his arm is awkwardly stuck into the same position after being laid out, the holes in his mask are larger than pinpoint pricks, and Thing is mocking him for stabbing himself:

I don't need to appeal to Twitter to read the plainly obvious. Here, Mindless Hulk made Wolverine stab himself through the head. Coming from the guy that argued Wolverine never had a bullet penetrate his skull, what else do I expect from you other than your whining insistence to the contrary?

Sh1t happens in comics you don't like. Shocker, I know. Stop trying to convince me that it isn't occurring because it's pretty obvious to a 7-year old what's going on. You can argue that it should never have happened. Just don't ague that it didn't happen. Because it did. Clearly. Unequivocally.

Again you say you don't need some to edit the scans in order to draw your attention to the details of the panels... and again you blatantly ignore the details you claim you don't need brought to your attention. Obviously you do need some one to sit down with you when you stumble through the pages, holding your hand and explaining to you what is happening.

The artist drew the tips of Wolverines claws, ergo the claws can not be inside his skull. Counter point? Oh right... you have none.

Thing said Wolverine stabbed himself? Well... he did... no one has disputed that. He stabbed himself in the brow... we can all see that.... now maybe you'd like to explain how Thing pointing out that Wolverine stabbed himself helps your case?

Also unless you want me to go back in with some red brush to draw your attention to even more shit, maybe you should actually look at the size of those "stab wounds" on Wolverine's forehead... because they are small as shit. Compare the diameter of the most visible puncture mark on the right to some of the features on Wolverine's face in that panel... It's about as wide as one of his freaking teeth.

Do you really want me to disprove your phantom bone theory again? I'm sure everyone is tired of seeing me embarrass you, I've been doing it for years now, it's getting pretty old.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
sure. it was a spider-man comic after all so he WILL be the deciding factor 99% of the time. but honestly, it was a low showing cause beating even merged hulk was i believe the highest showing for doc ock up to that point and hulk was being written down pretty bad in that arc, even using him to hype up a ka-zar/spider-man villain: gog by oneshotting hulk

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Again you say you don't need some to edit the scans in order to draw your attention to the details of the panels... and again you blatantly ignore the details you claim you don't need brought to your attention. Obviously you do need some one to sit down with you when you stumble through the pages, holding your hand and explaining to you what is happening.

The artist drew the tips of Wolverines claws, ergo the claws can not be inside his skull. Counter point? Oh right... you have none.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Thing said Wolverine stabbed himself? Well... he did... no one has disputed that. He stabbed himself in the brow... we can all see that.... now maybe you'd like to explain how Thing pointing out that Wolverine stabbed himself helps your case?

Also unless you want me to go back in with some red brush to draw your attention to even more shit, maybe you should actually look at the size of those "stab wounds" on Wolverine's forehead... because they are small as shit. Compare the diameter of the most visible puncture mark on the right to some of the features on Wolverine's face in that panel... It's about as wide as one of his freaking teeth.

Do you really want me to disprove your phantom bone theory again? I'm sure everyone is tired of seeing me embarrass you, I've been doing it for years now, it's getting pretty old.

They're the size of his claws being driven through. They're not the size of pin point claw tips.

You really haven't gotten over Wolverine being shot in the brain half a dozen times? Remind us again how Wolverine doesn't have a bullet shot into his brain in Wolverine: The Best There Is:

By all means, keep expanding this trainwreck of butthurt some more. You're simply making it needless for me to point out just how unreliable your judgment is when it comes to Wolverine when you can't even get over scenes like this, let alone the one where Mindless Hulk drives Wolverine's claws through his own skull.

Originally posted by ODG
What you see as tips, I simply see as claws being stuck in his head. I don't need counter-points to counter your subjective view of that scene. Because your subjective view and what you want to see are irrelevant. Because Wolverine stabbed himself. He didn't knock himself out with claw points.

They're the size of his claws being driven through. They're not the size of pin point claw tips.

You really haven't gotten over Wolverine being shot in the brain half a dozen times? Remind us again how Wolverine doesn't have a bullet shot into his brain in Wolverine: The Best There Is:

By all means, keep expanding this trainwreck of butthurt some more. You're simply making it needless for me to point out just how unreliable your judgment is when it comes to Wolverine when you can't even get over scenes like this, let alone the one where Mindless Hulk drives Wolverine's claws through his own skull.

Two lines that meet in a point. That's what is visible on the panel. That is what the artist drew. You can't "see" anything else, because there is nothing else there. Wolverine's claws were rendered coming to their points, in the panels, visible outside of his skull. That is an equivocal fact. It can't be spun... which is why you have despite to flat out ignore it.

Simple. The bullet connected with bones of his orbital region. The bullet fragmented, and as all things do, took the path of least resistance. Funneled through his superior and inferior orbital fissure by the force of the bullet. Brink went through those same fissures and dung out the fragments. Easy.

The holes are marginally thicker than the points because there is about an inch of flesh on the brow to account for that would have been penetrated in the stabbing.

As always Wolverine missing the bones behind his eye is the least logical explanation that could possibly be concocted. We know that Wolverine has a sphenoid bone, we've seen it several times, most recently only weeks ago when Wolverine's burnt out orbital was shown on panel. Your theory can't be rectified without one panel facts.

Digi asked use to ignore each other, only a few weeks ago. If you want to continue this, PM me. No one cares about this, its off topic and if we continue we are likely to get another warning or banned. Which ideally I would like to avoid.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Two lines that meet in a point. That's what is visible on the panel. That is what the artist drew. You can't "see" anything else, because there is nothing else there. Wolverine's claws were rendered coming to their points, in the panels, visible outside of his skull. That is an equivocal fact. It can't be spun... which is why you have despite to flat out ignore it.

Simple. The bullet connected with bones of his orbital region. The bullet fragmented, and as all things do, the fragments too the path of least resistance. Funneled through his superior and inferior orbital fissure by the force of the bullet. Brink went through those same fissures and dung out the fragments. Easy.

The holes are marginally thicker than the points because there is about an inch of flesh on the brow to account for that would have been penetrated in the stabbing.

As always Wolverine missing the bones behind his eye is the least logical explanation that could possibly be concocted. We know that Wolverine has a sphenoid bone, we've seen it several times, most recently only weeks ago when Wolverine's burnt out orbital was shown on panel. Your theory can't be rectified without one panel facts.

The bullet fragmented AFTER it struck the inside of his skull. Read the scan, ffs.

The holes are about as wide as his claws would be if they were driven that far in. They're not the size of pin points. Nuff said.

You haven't shown me a single scan of this sphenoid bone. I've shown you several scans of Wolverine having bullets and claws go through his eyes into his brain. Your human anatomy schtick and simple denial of what occurs on-panel is a joke. Go ahead and argue why it shouldn't happen, like jinzin and Branlor Swift are. Stop pretending like you can argue it didn't happen. It happened on-panel.

Originally posted by ODG
And I see two lines that go to his skull. You're not going to see anything else because the claws are embedded in his skull. Your subjective view is your own. As is my subjective view that they clearly are stuck in his head. Which is only made more obvious by the way is arm is stuck in stabbed position even after being tossed on the ground by Mindless Hulk.

The bullet fragmented AFTER it struck the inside of his skull. Read the scan, ffs.

The holes are about as wide as his claws would be if they were driven that far in. They're not the size of pin points. Nuff said.

You haven't shown me a single scan of this sphenoid bone. I've shown you several scans of Wolverine having bullets and claws go through his eyes into his brain. Your human anatomy schtick and simple denial of what occurs on-panel is a joke. Go ahead and argue why it shouldn't happen, like jinzin and Branlor Swift are. Stop pretending like you can argue it didn't happen. It happened on-panel.

It's not a "subjective view," it's the simple law of perspective. The claws are shown meeting at a point... they can't continue passed the point... ergo they can't be in his skull. You've posted the scans... look at them. Do you see the lines that represent Wolverine's claws? Do you see how they get closer and closer until they finally meet? Of course you do... it's indisputable. The tips of his claws are PLAINLY visible outside of his skull, making it an impossibility for him to have been stabbed through his Adamantium skull and into his brain.

I think the inside of the eye socket would constitute the "inside of the skull" for most people, assuming those people don't have an asinine agenda they are trying to push.

The holes were drawn more or less the same width of Wolverine's eyeteeth in that same panel... that's a far-cry from there max diameter.

The sphenoid bone (for the umpteenth time):

And before you wonder, no, that piece of glass wasn't stabbed through Wolverine's adamantium skull either. You see, unlike you apparently, humans have flesh and muscle covering their skull and not just a layer of old weathered skin stretched over their decrepit bones.

AGAIN:

Digi asked use to ignore each other, only a few weeks ago. If you want to continue this, PM me. No one cares about this, its off topic and if we continue we are likely to get another warning or banned. Which ideally I would like to avoid.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's not a "subjective view," it's the simple law of perspective. The claws are shown meeting at a point... they can't continue passed the point... ergo they can't be in his skull. You've posted the scans... look at them. Do you see the lines that represent Wolverine's claws? Do you see how they get closer and closer until they finally meet? Of course you do... it's indisputable. The tips of his claws are PLAINLY visible outside of his skull, making it an impossibility for him to have been stabbed through his Adamantium skull and into his brain.

I think the inside of the eye socket would constitute the "inside of the skull" for most people, assuming those people don't have an asinine agenda they are trying to push.

"Interior surface of skull" =/= whatever orbital fissures in the eye socket. You clearly misspoke. Now drop your ridiculous act. Wolverine being shot through the eye and the bullet shattering inside his skull isn't agenda pushing. It's just what happened on-panel. That's exactly what occurred and exactly what is explained in no uncertain terms. You don't possess the wherewithal to even recognize that, nobody's going to expect you to look at Mindless Hulk driving Wolverine's claws straight through his skull with a lick of sense. And we don't.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The holes were drawn more or less the same width of Wolverine's eyeteeth in that same panel... that's a far-cry from there max diameter.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The sphenoid bone (for the umpteenth time):

And before you wonder, no, that piece of glass wasn't stabbed through Wolverine's adamantium skull either. You see, unlike you apparently, humans have flesh and muscle covering their skull and not just a layer of old weathered skin stretched over their decrepit bones.

Just because you think there's a whole inch thick piece of flesh (???????) covering your eyebrow doesn't make it true. If it's true for you, congratulations on being supremely thickheaded. Missing link, for realz.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
[B]AGAIN:

Digi asked use to ignore each other, only a few weeks ago. If you want to continue this, PM me. No one cares about this, its off topic and if we continue we are likely to get another warning or banned. Which ideally I would like to avoid.
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pretty sure this was originated in a gorgon thread. no need for pm's 🙂

Originally posted by ODG
The closer I look, the more clearly they are pinpoints. That is indisputable. The claws are driven through his skull.

"Interior surface of skull" =/= whatever orbital fissures in the eye socket. You clearly misspoke. Now drop your ridiculous act. Wolverine being shot through the eye and the bullet shattering inside his skull isn't agenda pushing. It's just what happened on-panel. That's exactly what occurred and exactly what is explained in no uncertain terms. You don't possess the wherewithal to even recognize that, nobody's going to expect you to look at Mindless Hulk driving Wolverine's claws straight through his skull with a lick of sense. And we don't. I don't care what you think. I see his claws in that panel. I see the holes in his mask. They're the same size given the foreground perspective. And they're not pin points. Which is what they should be if only the pin points of his claws struck him. The claws were driven through. Get over it. What you see as a sphenoid bone, I see as a black gap. Doesn't change all the times Wolverine's been shot and stabbed through the eye sockets.

Just because you think there's a whole inch thick piece of flesh (???????) covering your eyebrow doesn't make it true. If it's true for you, congratulations on being supremely thickheaded. Missing link, for realz. You want to take it to PM, then PM me. You weren't the only one I was discussing this with.

So you've acknowledge that the claws are drawn at their points outside of his skull... but still insist he was stabbed through the skull? facepalm

Semantics. I think most people would consider the back of the orbital as being inside the skull... I mean... it's behind organs. Anyway, once again my theory takes into account every thing and makes sense, where as yours requires a plethoria of on panel instances be ignored in order to rectify your believes. The only example you've ever provided that can't be explained is the time Wolverine got shot through the ear with a crossbow bolt, and it came out the other side. Other than that every. single. example. can be easily rationalized with minimal effort. And that is the option you have, attempt to rationalize the incongruities so that the feat can still make sense... or ignore it whole sale as PIS.

The sphenoid bone is the grey section of the orbital visible in the scan, the outer wing is also visible on the side of Wolverine's head where it connects the temporal and frontal bones. Partially obscured in the cast shadow are sections of the zygomatic, frontal and maxillary bones, but all of which are visible in the panel... they are the front of the face and have been seen countless times.

Hate to break it to you dude, but I'm the only one you are having this discussion with. No one else cares enough to humor you with responses to your crazed theorizes. If we get banned I'm hanging the blame on you. 😎

Comic companies should come out with a did this really happen series.

Originally posted by Stoic
Comic companies should come out with a did this really happen series.

👆 I'd buy it.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
So you've acknowledge that the claws are drawn at their points outside of his skull... but still insist he was stabbed through the skull? facepalm

Semantics. I think most people would consider the back of the orbital as being inside the skull... I mean... it's behind organs. Anyway, once again my theory takes into account every thing and makes sense, where as yours requires a plethoria of on panel instances be ignored in order to rectify your believes. The only example you've ever provided that can't be explained is the time Wolverine got shot through the ear with a crossbow bolt, and it came out the other side. Other than that every. single. example. can be easily rationalized with minimal effort. And that is the option you have, attempt to rationalize the incongruities so that the feat can still make sense... or ignore it whole sale as PIS.

You're the one that introduced semantics. Interior surface of the skull isn't an ambiguous phrase. If they wanted to suggest it shattered before hitting the inside of his skull and instead on orbital fissures-whatever-the-sh1t-you're-trying-to-peddle, they would have said that instead. But nice job even denying that Wolverine has a bullet pass through his eye socket and shatter on the inside of his skull. Something that is completely and utterly explained in exposition. The level of denial you're operating with is extraordinary. Then again, this isn't late breaking news.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The sphenoid bone is the grey section of the orbital visible in the scan, the outer wing is also visible on the side of Wolverine's head where it connects the temporal and frontal bones. Partially obscured in the cast shadow are sections of the zygomatic, frontal and maxillary bones, but all of which are visible in the panel... they are the front of the face and have been seen countless times.

Hate to break it to you dude, but I'm the only one you are having this discussion with. No one else cares enough to humor you with responses to your crazed theorizes. If we get banned I'm hanging the blame on you. 😎

All I see is a transparent attempt to manufacture pretense to prevent me from posting in this thread any further in response to your posting... in this thread. It should go without saying, I haven't received a single PM from you. You're so threatened by my posting in a public thread, just say so. In the meantime, you want to PM me, then do so.

kinda

Guys, take it somewhere else. This isn't the place for it. Do a BZ or something, I don't care, just do it where it belongs.

EDITED

Sorry, PR. Already working on the post before I read yours. 😮

No worries. Just want this thread to get back to scans, that's all.

EDITED.

Originally posted by -Pr-
No worries. Just want this thread to get back to scans, that's all.

Character ownage, right? vin

Originally posted by ODG
I can do scans of ownage:

Character ownage, right? vin

Well played.

****er.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
hulk was "holding back"

"Catch me off guard", "holding back"... lol at Hulk's excuses.

The second encounter was PIS, we all know it. Why didn't Ock even lift Banner from the ground?