Character Ownage

Originally posted by zopzop
Yes. That's how it works. You have like 200 writers writing this garbage. The last guy gets the final say. It was WANDA'S POWER THAT ALTERED THE NATURAL BALANCE and it was the power of the Phoenix that undid her hex. Wanda's chaos magic and the PF are yin and yang. You don't have to like it, but that's not my problem.

Regarding my sh|t talking the PF, it was justified. That's what was going on on panel.

It was Wanda's power? Well here's omniversal Wanda from the beginning of AVX getting overwhelmed by Modok's minions.
http://i49.tinypic.com/2m4vxx0.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/24gj2it.jpg

Like ODG said, it was Wanda's power sure, but it was Wanda's power amped to the millionth degree by the Life Force. Something she lost right before this series and was gone pretty in depth on how exactly she lost it.

And it still happened. You're just fixated on a single statement. Phoenix wasn't treated well here, and a single statement from "I hate magic and shit" Tony Stark doesn't retcon a pretty important arc, and explanation for SW's exponential growth.

Originally posted by ODG
^ This doesn't even prove anything about what you're trying to say about "AvX Wanda = HoM Wanda" or that "Phoenixforce = omniversal." Neither of which is true or supported by any actual on-panel feats.

You're just twisting a character statement around to subvert what occurred on-panel.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Like ODG said, it was Wanda's power sure, but it was Wanda's power amped to the millionth degree by the Life Force.

guys don't turn the ownage thread into a debate

i will post a few more scans soon

Great showing by Nova though. I liked that.

So confused over how AvX ended. WTF happened? The hell happened to the cosmic hierarchy?

And here I thought DC continuity was shit compared to Marvel.

Originally posted by zopzop
Not really. The writer completely ignored the Children's Crusade and Lifeforce amp like it never even happened. How could he leave out such an important fact concerning HoM Wanda and her hex? Does it make any sense? It's not like this event happened 20 years ago. Children's Crusade is only a few months old!

Literally.

Originally posted by zopzop
Then it's not rally her power now is it? Since on her own she'd supposedly NEVER be able to accomplish that.

Unamped Wanda's done a lot, and her power's been responsible for reality warping in the past, but omniversal scale? No. But the Life Force =/= Chaos magic. #1 Wanda rewrote everything. #2 With her Chaos magic. #3 Which was amped by the Life Force. Each of these propositions are true and none of them exclude the other.

So, just saying, "Wanda rewrote everything" is true. It leaves out details. But it doesn't exclude the possibility of her using her Chaos magic to do it, or amped Chaos magic. Same thing with "Wanda rewrote everything with Chaos magic." It's true, and it leaves out some detail, but it doesn't exclude the possibility that the Chaos magic was amped. Because it clearly was per Children's Crusade.

We shouldn't have to pander to you and explain this several times over. You're more than smart enough to figure this out on your own. And we're not going to be fooled into thinking you don't honestly see this.

Absence of evidence, isn't evidence of absence. Stark's comment stands true and does NOT contradict what occurred in Children's Crusade AT ALL. And subverting a character's statement to avoid the plainly obvious on-panel feats here so you can avoid an unpleasant (to you anyway) comparison between HoM Wanda and the Phoenixforce is unnecessary. Your rampant editorialization is nothing but a poor negative proof fallacy limply covering up an obvious, but needless, agenda.

Sorry to state it so dryly. But you've wasted enough pages dragging this out. And whatever unintentional humor could have been wrung out of this by Branlor Swift dried up when his patience thinned. Nuff said.

Originally posted by ODG
No, he didn't. I mean, Stark actually mentions how Wanda wasn't in her right mind. An absolution which was only explicated on in Children's Crusade. You're making something out of nothing.

I wish Doon would ask the writer on mindspring/formspring or whatever it's called. He seems to have luck with that.

I think Doon is Jeph Loeb....

Originally posted by zopzop
Wanda hasn't been in her right mind many times. In the 90s it was when she found out her children were just a figment of her imagination and hex powers and then she went nuts. So saying "she wasn't in her right mind" means nothing.

Stark touched upon what was explicitly revealed in Children's Crusade. You're just comically resisting what you're begging for the entire time: "Oh, why don't they ever mention anything from Children's Crusade?" "They do. Stark alludes to it right there." "No, he can't be alluding to Children's Crusade! So I get to keep pretending I can b1tch about why they don't mention Children's Crusade!"

Originally posted by zopzop
How could he leave out SUCH AN IMPORTANT event as Doom and Wanda tapping into a power that dwarfed the Beyonder? Tony stated on panel that it was WANDA'S power that rewrote the natural order.

I wish Doon would ask the writer on mindspring/formspring or whatever it's called. He seems to have luck with that.

I'm not interested in you trying to fool us into thinking you're not smarter than this. It's obvious that you recognize how flimsy this charade is. It's been laid out for everybody. And the effort you're putting into manufacturing some pretense of confusion is completely wasted. Go ahead and waddle about pretending to be so confused. It's an act that's been deconstructed and I don't have to put up with it anymore. It's boring.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I think Doon is Jeph Loeb....

You just wait and see. He's obv getting ideas from this forum, which is a good thing.

Too bad the next storyline will be 'When Hulk ate Mjolnir'.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Great showing by Nova though. I liked that.

We refer to him as NINO (Nova in name only) lol, but yeah sorta. Kid seems to have the speed that's for sure. But dat durability...

He has spunk, gotta give him that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I think Doon is Jeph Loeb....

LMAO That really hurts.

Originally posted by zopzop
Wanda hasn't been in her right mind many times. In the 90s it was when she found out her children were just a figment of her imagination and hex powers and then she went nuts. So saying "she wasn't in her right mind" means nothing. How could he leave out SUCH AN IMPORTANT event as Doom and Wanda tapping into a power that dwarfed the Beyonder? Tony stated on panel that it was WANDA'S power that rewrote the natural order.

I wish Doon would ask the writer on mindspring/formspring or whatever it's called. He seems to have luck with that.

Jason Aaron doesn't have a Formspring account. The only Marvel writers/editors that I know of on Formspring are Tom Breevort, Jon Hickman, and Kieron Gillen. Hickman and Gillen are cool. Not sure about Breevort though..

@Doon,

He's straight forward and blunt in his responses if not always accurate.

Originally posted by guy222

I love how everyone in that panel looks totally merked except for Iron Fist lol.

One's a cosmic force of immeasurable power in control of vast and nearly limitless energy.

The other is Galactus.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

One's a cosmic force of immeasurable power in control of vast and nearly limitless energy.

The other is Galactus.

Love that scan. Amazing.