Originally posted by JakeTheBankIf you can show me a scene where somebody of Hulk's level was shown trying to pick it with one hand, then with two hands, then going ""HHHH....HUUUUH' *insert struggling expression* until finally lifting it, then you have a case. Until then, we have Captain America lifting it in Thor 390, or Fear Itself without any such problems, because he was worthy. Something that was obviously not in effect, based on what was shown up until now, in Hulk's case, who did it with pure strength.
When Thor and others have been deemed "worthy", they likewise seemingly struggled physically purely for dramatic artistic purposes in some cases.
Don't embarass yourself by denying the obvious, especially since in a few issues things will be further clarified and the scene will be seen differently.
Until then, I'd hide in a corner and weep for a bit.
Originally posted by Philosophía
If you can show me a scene where somebody of Hulk's level was shown trying to pick it with one hand, then with two hands, then going ""HHHH....HHHHH' *insert struggling expression* until finally lifting it, then you have a case. Until then, we have Captain America lifting it in Thor 390, or Fear Itself without any such problems, because he was worthy. Something that was obviously not in effect, based on what was shown up until now, in Hulk's case, who did it with pure strength.Don't embarass yourself by denying the obvious, especially since in a few issues things will be further clarified and the scene will be seen differently.
Until then, I'd hide in a corner and weep for a bit.
Not sure if serious or if trolling...?
I mean, we have young Thor physically struggling to lift the hammer in various flashbacks/retellings of his origin/mythos - going as far as being able to lift it a little bit, but not all the way - and clearly being drawn as straining to do so with sweat and a grimace on his face before finally lifting it upright.
If you're asking for an exact artistic representation of Thor or someone else lifting the hammer in the exact same manner Hulk did in as many panels or whatnot, it doesn't exist, but that doesn't mean Hulk did it simply by being "strong".
Originally posted by JakeTheBankThe fact that you think the scene didn't imply Hulk lifted it with pure strength, but due to him being worthy [he was probably charging up his worthiness, thus the one hand-both hands-struggle panels!] makes me really, really sad for you.
Not sure if serious or if trolling...?I mean, we have young Thor physically struggling to lift the hammer in various flashbacks/retellings of his origin/mythos - going as far as being able to lift it a little bit, but not all the way - and clearly being drawn as straining to do so with sweat and a grimace on his face.
If you're asking for an exact artistic representation of Thor or someone else lifting the hammer in the exact same manner Hulk did in as many panels or whatnot, it doesn't exist, but that doesn't mean Hulk did it simply by being "strong".
I can safely say Hulk [and Marvel] has finally broken Thorbags.
Originally posted by Philosophía
The fact that you think the scene didn't imply Hulk lifted it with pure strength, but due to him being worthy [he was probably charging up his worthiness, thus the one hand-both hands-struggle panels!] makes me really, really sad for you.I can safely say Hulk [and Marvel] has finally broken Thorbags.
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Artists have drawn a young Thor - several times - being "worthy" enough to lift Mjolnir a little bit, but not completely and have subsequently drawn a "fully worthy" Thor lifting Mjolnir over his head after some obvious exertion of some kind, which is my point. It doesn't really make sense as you really should be "worthy" or "unworthy" with no middle ground, but it is what it is.
And if we're going by pure implications on panel, the fact Hulk said he was "worthy" is what the (initial) implication is.
Originally posted by JayDaDon
There is the whole, "Hulk is worthy" thing, So until otherwise is confirmed, I think that's the safest bet.
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Originally posted by currymanHe says that this scene:
What are you two arguing?
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/IndestructibleHulk006-020_zps5e12c68f.jpg
..doesn't blatantly show Hulk's strength overcoming the enchantment, but that he was actually worthy and struggling for no apparent reason.
Also, Captain America is stronger than Hulk. Much so.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankLet's compare the exertion young Thor showed, with the one Hulk did. I'll even ignore the fact that Captain America show no exertion whatsoever, because your tears make me sad.
😬Artists have drawn a young Thor - several times - being "worthy" enough to lift Mjolnir a little bit, but not completely and have subsequently drawn a "fully worthy" Thor lifting Mjolnir over his head after some obvious exertion of some kind, which is my point. It doesn't really make sense as you really should be "worthy" or "unworthy" with no middle ground, but it is what it is.
And if we're going by pure implications on panel, the fact Hulk said he was "worthy" is what the (initial) implication is.
This should be fun. 🙂
Scans?
Originally posted by Philosophía
He says that this scene:http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/IndestructibleHulk006-020_zps5e12c68f.jpg
..doesn't blatantly show Hulk's strength overcoming the enchantment, but that he was actually worthy and struggling for no apparent reason.
Also, Captain America is stronger than Hulk. Much so.
Well obviously you're right in that he's using strength to overpower the enchantment.
But Jake's not wrong when he's saying that people have been portrayed physically exerting themselves while being worthy.
That's not what's happening in that scene though 🙂
Originally posted by curryman👆
Well obviously you're right in that he's using strength to overpower the enchantment.But Jake's not wrong when he's saying that people have been portrayed physically exerting themselves while being worthy.
That's not what's happening in that scene though 🙂
If he has scans that show people, like Hulk, exerting themselves in this way, then he can go right ahead and post them. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007If I'd be Hulk, and I'd lift the hammer by overcoming the enchantment with strength, I'd also say "Guess I'm worthy"
The only obvious answer here is that Hulk is so strong that he made himself worthy.Anything else is speculation. 👆
It's the kind of salt-on-the-wound shit-talking that would be appropriate.
