Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm pretty sureSpoiler:
she's dead, yeah.In other news
Spoiler:. 😂
Rulk phucking made Taskmaster a splatter with a punch
I mean here we have an event on which he actually has the potential to deliver, and he still phucks it up with sh1t like this and the Spider-Ock/Parker confusion/nonsense.
I'm so disappointed.
Like really, this was designed to be his send-off for the Avengers franchise and everything and it was Ultron, a character he's shown that he "gets", but then he just...lol, well, does what Bendis does.
Granted we have six issues to go (and hopefully we'll see how this event even started to begin with), but good god.
Originally posted by Starscream M
actually I do. I recently dled the entire amazing spiderman series (all 700 issues) onto my ipad.
Possessing the comics in questions =/= reading and comprehending them.
And besides, if true, that's "recently". Through out most of your time here, you've displaying a severe lack of knowledge concerning a lot of the characters you want to debate for or against.
Originally posted by JakeTheBanknot really, I've displayed a surprisingly broader perspective of comics than some of the 'experts' here. also, I've often made points that were eventually proven true by comics posthumously (ie when I said marvel meant for hulk to be > than thor). but thats neither here nor there, just please don't use the amount of comics read as proxy for being a good debator.
Possessing the comics in questions =/= reading and comprehending them.And besides, if true, that's "recently". Through out most of your time here, you've displaying a severe lack of knowledge concerning a lot of the characters you want to debate for or against.
Originally posted by Starscream M
not really, I've displayed a surprisingly broader perspective of comics than some of the 'experts' here. also, I've often made points that were eventually proven true by comics posthumously (ie when I said marvel meant for hulk to be > than thor). but thats neither here nor there, just please don't use the amount of comics read as proxy for being a good debator.
You've certainly displayed a surprising perspective of comics here, I'll give you that. Now all we have to work on is your perspective being accurate or even plausible.
You using movies and other non-canon sources to argue Hulk > Thor doesn't really mean anything. According to the comics, Hulk's stronger, Thor's more powerful. Hulk has an edge in a fight due to Thor's personality, but Thor can certainly contend with him and ultimately has superior feats and victories over beings than Hulk does.
I'm not. But you have to at least read some comics in order to successfully debate about them.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankI just read the issues. Suffice to say, you were purposely misleading people.
The first two are from Thor: Son of Asgard #10 and the second is from Avengers Origins: Thor.
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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I mean, we have young Thor physically struggling to lift the hammer in various flashbacks/retellings of his origin/mythos - going as far as being able to lift it a little bit, but not all the way - and clearly being drawn as straining to do so with sweat and a grimace on his face before finally lifting it upright.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Artists have drawn a young Thor - several times - being "worthy" enough to lift Mjolnir a little bit, but not completely and have subsequently drawn a "fully worthy" Thor lifting Mjolnir over his head after some obvious exertion of some kind, which is my point.
The whole story was supposed to represent Thor's journey towards acquiring his worthiness to lift the hammer. At the beginning of the series, he wasn't even able to budge it:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/ThorSoA-07_zpsade895cb.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/ThorSoA-08_zps814c9d1e.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/ThorSoA-09_zpsa545bd89.jpg
..but as the story progressed, and he went many trials, he was finally able to lift it just a bit [as there was one last trial remaining until he could lift it whole]:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/ThorSonofAsgard11200405-06copy_zps6927407c.jpg
http://s593.photobucket.com/user/Max_Eisenhardt/media/ThorSonofAsgard11200407_zps44cad4fd.jpg.html?sort=3&o=772
http://s593.photobucket.com/user/Max_Eisenhardt/media/ThorSonofAsgard11200408_zps397608d7.jpg.html?sort=3&o=771
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/ThorSonofAsgard11200412_zpsce54e472.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/ThorSonofAsgard11200413_zpsd42d9d41.jpg
...when his heart is finally whole, and he goes over his father's word to help Sif, he lifts it without any kind of problems:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/ThorSonofAsgard11200419_zps7dbc85ed.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/ThorSonofAsgard11200420_zps5a4e1a94.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/ThorSonofAsgard11200421_zps2052a5f4.jpg
Once he is worthy, the same young Thor lifts the hammer effortessly. You missed the whole point of the series.
You shot yourself in the foot, as the series itself proves that it's effortless once you're worthy, and the enchantment is still in place whenever the hammer is actively resisting you.
The hammer was resisting Hulk. That means the enchantment was still in place. That means Hulk physically broke Odin's enchantment of the hammer.
Oh, you thorbags.
ha-som
Jake, why are you still humoring him? Hulk didn't break the enchantment and for whatever reason was found worthy. If it was at all unclear, Hulk points out that he's worthy. Then next issue flies around with Mjolnir shooting lightning and shit.
No wait, I got it. Hulk overpowered the enchantment and in trying to overcome the strength of the strongest one there is, Mjolnir short-circuited and recognized Hulk as it's one true master. Not some puny god like Odin or Thor.
Originally posted by Philosophía
I just read the issues. Suffice to say, you were purposely misleading people.This description:
is wholly inaccurate. In all those instances where young Thor struggled to lift the hammer he was never fully worthy
The whole story was supposed to represent Thor's journey towards acquiring his worthiness to lift the hammer. At the beginning of the series, he wasn't even able to budge it:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/ThorSoA-07_zpsade895cb.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/ThorSoA-08_zps814c9d1e.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/ThorSoA-09_zpsa545bd89.jpg..but as the story progressed, and he went many trials, he was finally able to lift it just a bit [as there was one last trial remaining until he could lift it whole]:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/ThorSonofAsgard11200405-06copy_zps6927407c.jpg
http://s593.photobucket.com/user/Max_Eisenhardt/media/ThorSonofAsgard11200407_zps44cad4fd.jpg.html?sort=3&o=772
http://s593.photobucket.com/user/Max_Eisenhardt/media/ThorSonofAsgard11200408_zps397608d7.jpg.html?sort=3&o=771http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/ThorSonofAsgard11200412_zpsce54e472.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/ThorSonofAsgard11200413_zpsd42d9d41.jpg...when his heart is finally whole, and he goes over his father's word to help Sif, he lifts it without any kind of problems:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/ThorSonofAsgard11200419_zps7dbc85ed.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/ThorSonofAsgard11200420_zps5a4e1a94.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/ThorSonofAsgard11200421_zps2052a5f4.jpgOnce he is worthy, the same young Thor lifts the hammer effortessly. You missed the whole point of the series.
You shot yourself in the foot, as the series itself proves that it's effortless once you're worthy, and the enchantment is still in place whenever the hammer is actively resisting you.
The hammer was resisting Hulk. That means the enchantment was still in place. That means Hulk physically broke Odin's enchantment of the hammer.
Oh, you thorbags.
ha-som
WTF are you talking about?
The images I posted where was Thor was deemed "somewhat" worthy to lift Mjolnir, but not all the way. Which is what I said and what's shown on panel. Sif even remarks "Hey, you managed to lift it somewhat whereas before you couldn't even budge it!" as a way to encourage Thor. There was nothing dishonest about my posting the scans or citing the issues at all.
You wanted proof that someone who was worthy could struggle with lifting the hammer, I posted it even after I already said that wasn't an exact panel-for-panel mirror image of what Hulk did. According to that series, Thor WAS worthy...just not completely at that time.
You posting scans that only prove that Thor was able to lift it upon achieving "maximum worthy points" doesn't discredit my view or stance at all. And the fact you went and downloaded the series just to scan blitz and attempt to make me out to be some kind of villainous deceitful "thorbag" is equal parts sad and hilarious.
Hulk fully lifted the hammer after struggling and exclaimed he was worthy, which he was deemed so apparently by Mjolnir's own accord. It's clear and in the text and doesn't get any more clear than that.
