Originally posted by JakeTheBank
WTF are you talking about?The images I posted where was Thor was deemed "somewhat" worthy to lift Mjolnir, but not all the way. Which is what I said and what's shown on panel. Sif even remarks "Hey, you managed to lift it somewhat whereas before you couldn't even budge it!" as a way to encourage Thor. There was nothing dishonest about my posting the scans or citing the issues at all.
You wanted proof that someone who was worthy could struggle with lifting the hammer, I posted it even after I already said that wasn't an exact panel-for-panel mirror image of what Hulk did. According to that series, Thor WAS worthy...just not completely at that time.
You posting scans that only prove that Thor was able to lift it upon achieving "maximum worthy points" doesn't discredit my view or stance at all. And the fact you went and downloaded the series just to scan blitz and attempt to make me out to be some kind of villainous deceitful "thorbag" is equal parts sad and hilarious.
Hulk fully lifted the hammer after struggling and exclaimed he was worthy, which he was deemed so apparently by Mjolnir's own accord. It's clear and in the text and doesn't get any more clear than that.
Why? Don't waste your time.
I also find it hilarious that Philo took the time to read the mini just to try and prove that Hulk broke the enchantment. Even though he fully knows that next issue some bullshit will be revealed as to why it was possible.
I wish I had that kind of dedication.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Even the summary in the next issue acknowledges that it was effortless once he was fully worthy:I can't believe you actually provided me with the series where it cements the fact that Hulk broke the enchantment.
I had nothing to hide by citing the issue.
Not sure how Thor being fully worthy and lifting the hammer effortlessly means that Hulk physically overpowered the hammer's enchantment....even though the glaringly obvious idea that he was deemed worthy by Mjolnir is literally spelled out in front of us.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankThor couldn't budge the hammer because he wasn't worthy.
You wanted proof that someone who was worthy could struggle with lifting the hammer, I posted it even after I already said that wasn't an exact panel-for-panel mirror image of what Hulk did.
When he was only one step from being worthy, he was allowed to hover it off the ground but still couldn't use it as the enchantment stopped him from doing so..
Once he was worthy, he was able to lift it effortlessly.
Thus we have 2 options:
a). Hulk is worthy, in which case the hammer wouldn't have resisted him at all. As worthy Thor lifted it effortlessly.
b). Hulk was not worthy, in which case the hammer's enchantment was still in place, in which case Hulk had to physically struggle, which he did, in order to break the enhancement, which he also did.
You literally just provided me with the issues that blatantly proved my point. Hulk struggled - thus the enchantment was resisting him- but he broke through it.
And that's ridiculously hilarious.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankHoly sh--?
Not sure how Thor being fully worthy and lifting the hammer effortlessly means that Hulk physically overpowered the hammer's enchantment....
So you don't see how one character who is worthy lifting the hammer effortlessly, proves that the other character isn't worthy, since he physically struggled against the enchantment [thus it was still in place] and thus broke it with pure strength, and not worthiness?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
She barely has any healing feats, she's not her cousin. Jen passed out after evisceration.
Spoiler:.
her not being able to regenerate a wound like that
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Besides, it's an alternate universe. The Hulk has been killed with an arrow through the head in the Punisher vs. MU.
Originally posted by Philosophía
This has got to be one of the worst self-ownages on this board.You should have just said you don't know which series those scans are from.
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It's not self ownage at all. 😂
Though I do find it funny you'd go through the work to find the series, download it, and scour for scans to post to prove your non-point.
I mean, Waid and Simonson couldn't get any clearer with that page. "Hulk is *all caps and bold* worthy!" Until any other issues shed light on it, that's what happened. He was considering worthy.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThis isn't a discussion to discredit Thor. At the end of this storyline, the scene obviously won't be left with Hulk overpowering the enchantment.
I also find it hilarious that Philo took the time to read the mini just to try and prove that Hulk broke the enchantment. Even though he fully knows that next issue some bullshit will be revealed as to why it was possible.
It's about proving that thorbags are misleading and often hilarious in their inaptitude to prove their points. 🙂
Originally posted by Philosophía
a). Hulk is worthy, in which case the hammer wouldn't have resisted him at all. As worthy Thor lifted it effortlessly.
b). Hulk was not worthy, in which case the hammer's enchantment was still in place, in which case Hulk had to physically struggle, which he did, in order to break the enhancement, which he also did.
I am sure that I shouldn't even be pointing this out to you, as you've taken note of the fact about partial worthiness, and how it enables a teenage Thor to hover Mjolnir off the ground.
On that note, there is indeed self-pwnage in this discussion, just not on the part of Jake.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankAccording, and I can't stress this hilariously enough, your own series, if Hulk was worthy, he would have lifted it effortlessly.
It's not self ownage at all. 😂Though I do find it funny you'd go through the work to find the series, download it, and scour for scans to post to prove your non-point.
I mean, Waid and Simonson couldn't get any clearer with that page. "Hulk is *all caps and bold* worthy!" Until any other issues shed light on it, that's what happened. He was considering worthy.
That didn't happen. Thus, the enchantment, was still in place. Thus, Hulk broke Odin't enchantment on the hammer.
The Hulk side really thanks you for providing their arguments, Jake.
I didn't imagine this discussion would be so hilarious.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why? Don't waste your time.I also find it hilarious that Philo took the time to read the mini just to try and prove that Hulk broke the enchantment. Even though he fully knows that next issue some bullshit will be revealed as to why it was possible.
I wish I had that kind of dedication.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerSemi-worthy means that you can't wield the hammer, and the enchantment was still in place.
Or c).Hulk was only semi-worthy, which enabled him to lift Mjolnir off the ground albeit with some difficulty.I am sure that I shouldn't even be pointing this out to you, as you've taken note of the fact about partial worthiness, and how it enables a teenage Thor to hover Mjolnir off the ground.
That was proven in the series Jake reffered to, whereThor was literally one-step away from being worthy, and he still couldn't do more than hover it a few centimeters.
Hulk lifted and wielded it, powering through the enchantment which was shown to actively resist him.
Hulk > Odin's enchantment on the hammer.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I am not sure how that translates toSpoiler:.
her not being able to regenerate a wound like that
It's not within her power, simple.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I just wanted an excuse to rant against Bendis tbh.
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Ah, ok then. Cage surviving that huge ass explosion while Jen was offed casually is all the excuse we need, frankly.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Semi-worthy means that you can't wield the hammer, and the enchantment was still in place.Thor was literally one-step away from being worthy, and he still couldn't do more than hover it a few centimeters.
Hulk lifted and wielded it, powering through the enchantment.
Hulk > Odin's enchantment on the hammer.
Now I really wish this would stick (even if it would mean Hulk is stronger than JLA/Avengers Superman), just for the simple fact that a Thor fan was the one that proved without a shadow of a doubt that Hulk overpowered the enchantment, and it wasn't due to worthiness.
Epic.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
It means that you can lift the hammer somewhat. Hulk is also far stronger than a teen Thor. Add two and two together and you get four. It's not really that difficult to grasp.
Hulk is far stronger than teen Thor, which is why he powered his way through the enchantment, I agree.
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Originally posted by Philosophía
According, and I can't stress this hilariously enough, your own series, if Hulk was worthy, he would have lifted it effortlessly.That didn't happen. Thus, the enchantment, was still in place. Thus, Hulk broke Odin't enchantment on the hammer.
The Hulk side really thanks you for providing their arguments, Jake.
I didn't imagine this discussion would be so hilarious.
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And yet, Thor managed to lift it in spite of the enchantment. So, per your own logic, Thor "overpowered" the enchantment in spite of him not being "worthy" (at least completely).
Your transparent trolling on the situation in question - going as far as to blatantly igore what Waid/Simonson are showing us ie. Hulk being worthy, not more powerful than Odin's enchantment - doesn't really fool anyone.