Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Jake, Philo is trolling you, don't give him the satisfaction of replying. Hulk literally says he's worthy. In the next issue, he flies around with Mjolnir shooting lightning and shit (Strength!).Although if you're intent on replying, Frog Thor struggled when he first picked up Mjolnir. I believe Steve did also in the first scene where he picks up Mjolnir.
I don't really think any of these examples are applicable though because Hulk almost certainly isn't truly worthy, something was probably up with Mjonlir that recognized him as Thor, or bugged the enchantment.
So now your opinion of Hulks worthiness outweighs what the writers specifically wrote on panel? You're also saying that the enchantment was bugged? You don't see the rabid fanboyism with your reasoning?
Originally posted by Philosophía
This isn't a discussion to discredit Thor. At the end of this storyline, the scene obviously won't be left with Hulk overpowering the enchantment.It's about proving that thorbags are misleading and often hilarious in their inaptitude to prove their points. 🙂
You know this yet are willing to spend all this time discussing what is ultimately a moot point? We know that for some reason Hulk was worthy, unless you believe Hulk overpowered and broke the enchantment, therefore granting him the power of Thor? I guess you can take that stance if you want, but it would be out of spite and not any actual belief.
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What the in the hell is wrong with you? This is some crusade to prove the -inaccurate- generalization that Thorbags are somehow dishonest? Jesus. Bro, you need a hobby.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Based on feats, she shouldn't even be damaged from a shot like that. Getting ko'ed by evisceration doesn't validate her inability to do so either.Not really relevant to this discussion. Which characters are you talking about anyways?
That's true, Bendis downplayed her durability. And overrated that of Cage... for the nth time. Her getting ko'd shows us it's not super-efficient.
It is relevant because Shulkie's hf is nothing special. Why should it be capable of such a feat? Hulk, Wolverine, X-23 on top of my mind.
Originally posted by Raisen
So now your opinion of Hulks worthiness outweighs what the writers specifically wrote on panel? You're also saying that the enchantment was bugged? You don't see the rabid fanboyism with your reasoning?
I don't believe Hulk is actually worthy, no. If Waid writes him to be, then I won't be able to do much but swallow and catalog that evidence despite the inconsistency it would create.
I'm not saying that the enchantment is bugged. What I did say was that the enchantment is probably broken, or out of whack someway for this particular arc. I'm not passing off my hypothesis as conclusive evidence, only a possible theory, so I don't see what was particularly rabid or fanboyish of what I said.
I'd appreciate it if you didn't misconstrue or put words in my mouth.
I'm not quite understanding the bitching going on. (Mostly Philophile's bitching but whatever)
Ok, so Hulk lifts the hammer while struggling a bit. K, good, dandy. Then he says "HULK AM WORTHIE!1!" And somehow, this gets translated as "oh, he must've overpowered the enchantment."
Hulk straight up says he's worthy. With lifting the hammer only for dramatic effect. That's really not hard to understand. Trying to pick it apart is ridiculous.
Especially seeing as how if the fact that Hulk struggled is such a huge deal that just can't conceivably mean he's worthy because it's inconsistent with most of the other worthy, Hulk lifting it through brute strength at all is inconsistent since better have tried and failed.
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Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusHulk overpowered the enchantment based on what we've seen up until now. That's undebatable at this point, and the evidence provided by Jake himself further cements that fact. This isn't even about that point anymore - that's clear as day, I'm just hammering Jake down until he states he was wrong and stops trolling.
You know this yet are willing to spend all this time discussing what is ultimately a moot point? We know that for some reason Hulk was worthy, unless you believe Hulk overpowered and broke the enchantment, therefore granting him the power of Thor? I guess you can take that stance if you want, but it would be out of spite and not any actual belief.😂
What the in the hell is wrong with you? This is some crusade to prove the -inaccurate- generalization that Thorbags are somehow dishonest? Jesus. Bro, you need a hobby.
The fact that he can't even do that, on a point that in a month won't even matter, and doesn't do anything to Thor or Hulk's reputation in the long run as a consequence, just paints a horrible picture of Thor fans in general. [and if you think I'm picking on just him and making a generalization, look at the Thor fans jumping on his horribly misguided argument. These last few pages are goldmines]
And doing that is a hell of a lot of fun, as far as KMC discussions go.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't believe Hulk is actually worthy, no. If Waid writes him to be, then I won't be able to do much but swallow and catalog that evidence despite the inconsistency it would create.I'm not saying that the enchantment is bugged. What I did say was that the enchantment is probably broken, or out of whack someway for this particular arc. I'm not passing off my hypothesis as conclusive evidence, only a possible theory, so I don't see what was particularly rabid or fanboyish of what I said.
I'd appreciate it if you didn't misconstrue or put words in my mouth.
I didn't misconstrue anything. lol. you even used the word bugged. it's all there in my first quote. i'm thinking you're beginning to realize how fanboyish your statement was. i get it, you want thor to be special, but he's just not as uber as you would like him to be
Originally posted by Tar-Antado
I think Hulk will flip Mjolnir back to Thor and say "Hulk doesn't need hammer. Hulk is Hulk and he is the STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!".
Originally posted by CosmicCometThis.
And then the revelation will be that Hulk retained some residual Odin force from wielding Mjolnir.
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Wait a minute ...
Does that mean we have to wait till May to see the following or June?
Originally posted by DamborgsonThis^^^
Ok, so Hulk lifts the hammer while struggling a bit. K, good, dandy. Then he says "HULK AM WORTHIE!1!" And somehow, this gets translated as "oh, he must've overpowered the enchantment."Hulk straight up says he's worthy. With lifting the hammer only for dramatic effect. That's really not hard to understand. Trying to pick it apart is ridiculous.
Originally posted by leonidasAnd maybe this. ^^^
the hammer discussion is a little premature methinks. hell, given that thor didn't even recognize banner in the issue, i'm not even sure in the least that it is the REAL mjolnir.... shrug
Eveybody needs to stop with the trolling and fanboy butthurt. I will close this thread and give swift warnings.