Character Ownage

Originally posted by carver9
I don't get what the problem is with Darkseid being above Superman. I honestly think the guy should be a JLA buster...CONSISTENTLY. Marvel does well with Thanos, they keep him in the tier where he belongs and avoids him facing defeat at the hands of people that shouldnt beat him. Quan, you're going to hate this but I've always thought DC should have written Darkseid even above the likes of Thanos imo...the guy should be a legit power house, someone that can only be defeated via plot aka boom tube. Hope DC keeps this going.

Carver is that really you posting?
Because I completely agree...

Originally posted by Diesldude
Fk this sh!t, fk this wannabe Thanos clone, Fk these DC writers,
I'm sick and tired of these idiot writers having to "kill" superman/supermen in order to prop someone.
They did that with Gog, killing superman at different points in his life and here DS is killing a superman from a different dimension. Sh!t never changes...

I hope they do another crossover and Thanos puts this purple piece of sh!t clone in his place, kills the spectre and sacrifices the presence to Lady Death.

Fck DC, I'm switching to Marvel and becoming a Thorbag.

Your post became completely inconsequential when you referred to the original as a "wannabe Thanos clone"

Superman should ALWAYS BE below Darkseid, no matter how much Loeb (ROFL) and Chuck Austin (ROFL x 2) tried to destroy the character.

Go read Avengers Assemble featuring a toothless Thanos on his knees. It should cheer you up.

Magneto passed out by ripping out metal skin from a predator-x.

😂

Originally posted by comicfan11
Your post became completely inconsequential when you referred to the original as a "wannabe Thanos clone"

Superman should ALWAYS BE below Darkseid, no matter how much Loeb (ROFL) and Chuck Austin (ROFL x 2) tried to destroy the character.

Go read Avengers Assemble featuring a toothless Thanos on his knees. It should cheer you up.

Also it wasn't Loeb who had superman beat Darkseid in Apokolips now, it was Mark Schultz and he previously wrote Darkseid literally stomping Superman in 3 punches in MOS 116. Its just in nature of superman to beat villains when he gets angry or someone close to him is threatened.

So if Darkseid can kill DCU old gods with a simple hoe to the eye, does that mean MU GODS>>>DCU GODS?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman was viewed as a threat to Darkseid by Kirby himself. Pak here has written a young superman as a rival for Darkseid too. Darkseid isn't and shouldn't be written as Thanos.

Also it wasn't Loeb who had superman beat Darkseid in Apokolips now, it was Mark Schultz and he previously wrote Darkseid literally stomping Superman in 3 punches in MOS 116. Its just in nature of superman to beat villains when he gets angry or someone close to him is threatened.

Loeb wrote Superman / Batman which was equally horrendous.

Also Darkseid should be written as far above Thanos, which was the case pre Crisis.
Thanos is a mutated alien Darkseid is a god (either born a god or became latter).

Also by your logic Superman should under his own power beat everyone, which is laughable.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
So if Darkseid can kill DCU old gods with a simple hoe to the eye, does that mean MU GODS>>>DCU GODS?

Darkseid finished them.
They were already dying from fighting each other.

Seduction fail.

Originally posted by comicfan11
Superman should ALWAYS BE below Darkseid

This kind of bias seems to justify a lot of posting in the VS forums mmm

Originally posted by Bentley
This kind of bias seems to justify a lot of posting in the VS forums mmm

How is it bias when Darkseid is supposed to be more powerful?

Originally posted by comicfan11
How is it bias when Darkseid is supposed to be more powerful?

Darkseid is, for the most part, more powerful, but that doesn't erase the fact Superman can and has beaten him.

Also things can change over time, Superman doesn't need to be physically outclassed by a villains to have great stories. The idea that DS must always be more powerful than Superman seems like an opposition by principle that it's quite pointless to be honest.

Originally posted by Bentley
Darkseid is, for the most part, more powerful, but that doesn't erase the fact Superman can and has beaten him.

Also things can change over time, Superman doesn't need to be physically outclassed by a villains to have great stories. The idea that DS must always be more powerful than Superman seems like an opposition by principle that it's quite pointless to be honest.

No.
That's the case with most characters, but for a character who is supposed to be "DC's biggest threat to the Universe", getting beat up by a simple herald is not an option.

Darkseid is much grander than that.
He is not a Superman villain, in which case you would be correct concerning changing power levels.

Originally posted by comicfan11
No.
That's the case with most characters, but for a character who is supposed to be "DC's biggest threat to the Universe", getting beat up by a simple herald is not an option.

Darkseid is much grander than that.
He is not a Superman villain, in which case you would be correct concerning changing power levels.

Basically speaking, Bentley is right and you're wrong.

Edit: And lol at people predictably swinging on Pak's nuts for the way he's writing Superman now. Everyone hated his guts for the Hulk wankery, but when it comes to Superman, we don't care about the story we care about feats is the moto that people want to follow.

Originally posted by comicfan11
Loeb wrote Superman / Batman which was equally horrendous.

Also Darkseid should be written as far above Thanos, which was the case pre Crisis.
Thanos is a mutated alien Darkseid is a god (either born a god or became latter).

Also by your logic Superman should under his own power beat everyone, which is laughable.

In only one story and that's because Pre-crisis characters were above marvel top tiers.

Being a god doesn't mean shit in comics.

Not everyone. His villains though? Absolutely and Darkseid IS a superman villain, he was introduced in a Jimmy Olsen book FFS.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Well, Superman is supposed be DC's greatest savior of the universe, so mere grandeur isn't the only reason that Darkseid should always treat him like a child in their confrontations.

Superman indeed is DC's greatest savior.
That's indisputable.

Ultimately when the stakes are high, he should prevail (alone or with the help of others).
But he shouldn't be able to do it by overpowering Darkseid (or a character of his caliber). He should do it using brains and some sort of plot device or something.
Anything different takes away from DS's credibility.

It's not a knock on Superman if he can' beat DS alone.
But it's a huge knock on DS when a single Kryptonian can take him alone.
That reduces Darkseid to the level of a common weekly villain.

Originally posted by comicfan11
Superman indeed is DC's greatest savior.
That's indisputable.

Ultimately when the stakes are high, he should prevail (alone or with the help of others).
But he shouldn't be able to do it by overpowering Darkseid (or a character of his caliber). He should do it using brains and some sort of plot device or something.
Anything different takes away from DS's credibility.

It's not a knock on Superman if he can' beat DS alone.
But it's a huge knock on DS when a single Kryptonian can take him alone.
That reduces Darkseid to the level of a common weekly villain.

Of course I agree that on average Darkseid should kick his butt, but every single friggin' time? In a fictional setting where people can do telekinesis and shoot lasers from their eyes? Sorry, but I don't ascribe to that, and judging by the history of these characters, neither do the comic book writers.

Originally posted by abhilegend
In which Darkseid was backhanding superman away at normal level.

In only one story and that's because Pre-crisis characters were above marvel top tiers.

Being a god doesn't mean shit in comics.

Not everyone. His villains though? Absolutely and Darkseid IS a superman villain, he was introduced in a Jimmy Olsen book FFS.

Being a skyfather as in the leader of a pantheon should mean something.

Darkseid might have been introduced in a Jimmy Olsen issue, but that doesn't make him a Superman villain.
The threat he represents does and he has many stories where it takes at least an entire team to bring him team.
Also as I said, is consistently referred to as "the greatest threat in the DC Universe". That alone should be enough for him to be above any single hero.

Lol how do people want Darkseid to be stopped if not physically? he got so much prep under his belt, all those devices, he is a genius and very powerful.
lonly thing playing for superman is the fact he can go into a very hard fist fight and come on top of darkseid which is how the things should really be.
dont confuse superman with average heralds.
superman is meant to be the one who can protect the earth from any threat( at least a thread at a planetary levels)

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Well, that single Kryptonian has usually been supposed to be the Captain America of Kryptonians, and Superman is supposed to be the literary embodiment of the Ubermensch trope.

Of course I agree that on average Darkseid should kick his butt, but every single friggin' time? In a fictional setting where people can do telekinesis and shoot lasers from their eyes? Sorry, but I don't ascribe to that, and judging by the history of these characters, neither do the comic book writers.

Well if you go by the "Captain America" analogue (which I agree concerning Kal being the ideal Kryptonian), then I guess even Captain America needs to look good sometimes against a character like Namor.

Originally posted by comicfan11
Well if you go by the "Captain America" analogue (which I agree concerning Kal being the ideal Kryptonian), then I guess even Captain America needs to look good sometimes against a character like Namor.