Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Wrong comparison. And Cap has taken on characters way above Namor's paygrade, and in some cases even won. When it comes to PIS-entrenched feats, you don't want to debate against Captain America.
If you go by logic half of the things every street leveler (including Cap and Bats) does is usually PIS against higher powered heroes.
But of course we are talking comics.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
There. Your point about Darkseid ALWAYS punking Superman gets disproven with this single statement.
It's not about Darkseid.
It's about defining power levels and matching the characters status and reputation.
And sadly I know this will never be the case for any character ever. Doesn't mean it's right.
Originally posted by comicfan11
It's not about Darkseid.
It's about defining power levels and matching the characters status and reputation.And sadly I know this will never be the case for any character ever. Doesn't mean it's right.
Superman being able to beat someone who's supposed to be above his paygrade isn't far-fetched line of thinking at all.
Originally posted by comicfan11
Being a skyfather as in the leader of a pantheon should mean something.Darkseid might have been introduced in a Jimmy Olsen issue, but that doesn't make him a Superman villain.
The threat he represents does and he has many stories where it takes at least an entire team to bring him team.
Also as I said, is consistently referred to as "the greatest threat in the DC Universe". That alone should be enough for him to be above any single hero.
Superman beating Darkseid physically isn't a knock on Darkseid. Being a superman villain makes him a superman villain. Anyway this isn't the thread to discuss this. Agree to disagree.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Only if its just for battleboard purposes.Superman beating Darkseid physically isn't a knock on Darkseid. Being a superman villain makes him a superman villain. Anyway this isn't the thread to discuss this. Agree to disagree.
Agreed.
Also @TheGodKiller I see your point, i just feel that Darkseid should be in that special category where he is the exception, due to his status and rep.
Why is beast just standing there while Wolverine is being shanked?
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/snapshot_zps7ca8fee5.jpg.html
Originally posted by comicfan11Saying "a single kryptonian" is like saying a "single hero". Superman is neither. Darkseid generally treats people that are kryptonian (Supergirl, Cyborg Superman) or usually close to Superman's normal level opponents (Lobo, Kalibak) as nuisances.
It's not a knock on Superman if he can' beat DS alone.
But it's a huge knock on DS when a single Kryptonian can take him alone.
That reduces Darkseid to the level of a common weekly villain.
In the new continuity, he beat the entire JLA (Superman included), until Superman turned the dials up and bought enough time for the others to banish him away. He's still far above the other heroes - but Superman is not unlike the others, and when he turns it up, he can go up even against Darkseid.
It's not a testament to Darkseid's weakness, it's something that shows just how powerful a very motivated Superman is.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Saying "a single kryptonian" is like saying a "single hero". Superman is neither. Darkseid generally treats people that are kryptonian (Supergirl, Cyborg Superman) or usually close to Superman's normal level opponents (Lobo, Kalibak) as nuisances.In the new continuity, he beat the entire JLA (Superman included), until Superman turned the dials up and bought enough time for the others to banish him away. He's still far above the other heroes - but Superman is not unlike the others, and when he turns it up, he can go up even against Darkseid.
It's not a testament to Darkseid's weakness, it's something that shows just how powerful a very motivated Superman is.
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Can't tell if serious.
Ignoring what Philo said.
H'el is returning.
http://www.dccomics.com/comics/superman-2011/superman-233-h%E2%80%99el
Can't wait.
