Character Ownage

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor flat out states he can never beat him. Now if you view this as worhty Hulk or just regular Hulk that becomes the question but based upon his history and his inability to beat the Hulk in his own mind it works actually for both points of view.

Frankly I couldn't care less about Banner or Thor. I was only disputing the notion of BFR as a necessity as opposed to BFR as a result. Thor put everything he had into a blow that resulted in BFR. Some peeps are arguing that he resorted to BFRing Banner. Which I don't buy.

But judging by some of the responses, I can see the angles people are working here. And the agendas. You being a Thanos/Surfer/cosmic guy, The various Hulk fans, the Clark fans etc. It's a vast conspiracy I tell ya!

Originally posted by dmills
Frankly I couldn't care less about Banner or Thor. I was only disputing the notion of BFR as a necessity as opposed to BFR as a result. Thor put everything he had into a blow that resulted in BFR. Some peeps are arguing that he resorted to BFRing Banner. Which I don't buy.

But judging by some of the responses, I can see the angles people are working here. And the agendas. You being a Thanos/Surfer/cosmic guy, The various Hulk fans, the Clark fans etc. It's a vast conspiracy I tell ya!

Originally posted by Philosophía
On a more serious note, trying to ignite carver's fanboy meltdown aside, the issue showed what I don't think anybody should contest at this point - while Thor is capable of going toe to toe with Hulk physically, he will eventually lose, and this showing along with his concession should put an end to that. Yes, many will say "but the hammer can do lots of shit" but all things considered, Thor hits things, throws the hammer and uses lightning. That's how he fought Hulk. That's how he fights Surfer in his main series. That's how he went up against Sentry. That's his main way of fighting in the actual comics, rather than the forum mode, and through those lenses should the "I can't beat you" statement be taken.

Also, nobody can really contest the fact that Thor was going all-out here. He directly said to Hulk that he wanted to kill him, and just moments earlier he killed Ben Grimm if not for Franklin, who he also directly stated he liked much better than Hulk. He just couldn't, physically, put Hulk down, and there's really no shame in that. If the Hulk is physically superior - which he should be, then that means that in future confrontations, like in this one, Thor won't go "I hit you and you hit me back!" mode with him, which can lead to better fights than just a slugfest - and the ending, with him smartening up and hitting him into outerspace before he lost the fight, was a good change, for one.

So it was refreshing to watch Thor be like, "Dammit, could never beat you by hitting you with hammer and lightning. Zounds, I got idea! I hit you with hammer and lightning again... just harder!" Because, I mean, that's essentially all he did. 😂

Originally posted by Philosophía
This was one of those fights where both opponents looked formidable (too bad for Thing) but I don't really expect either side to find the middle ground.

Originally posted by dmills

But judging by some of the responses, I can see the angles people are working here. And the agendas. You being a Thanos/Surfer/cosmic guy, The various Hulk fans, the Clark fans etc. It's a vast conspiracy I tell ya!

👆

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's why you can trust me since I am completely unbiased in any way.

Oh really?

of all the dialogue in that issue (what thor said during the fight was odd to me--he claims one thing, then....questions his own claim?? wtf. not sure exactly how to take that) it was the dialogue at the end that i found most important--the 'to be continued, banner' seems to imply that there will be a rematch coming and i'm curious to see how it ends up. good issue though--great fight, imo. i'm actually enjoying the whole arc. wish there would be more on the other worthy though--gargoyle and attuma, creel and titania. haven't seen enough of them yet.

Good read actually shows what Thor is capable of when he goes all out

Somebody post Squirrel Girl fighting wolverine in "New Avengers" 😛

Already done...unless you're talking about the part when Wolvie got back up.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Already done...unless you're talking about the part when Wolvie got back up.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Get ready for round two. Incredible Hulk 634 spoilers:

This is hysterical.

b posting the scans soon

wbh 💃

I agree with Leo dialogue was off. He claims he could never beat him, then seems to suggest Hulk was foolish for thinking the same thing.

Then Thor hits him into space but could never beat him???

Originally posted by Newjak
I agree with Leo dialogue was off. He claims he could never beat him, then seems to suggest Hulk was foolish for thinking the same thing.

Then Thor hits him into space but could never beat him???

he didn't "beat" him, just swept him under the rug for another time.

Originally posted by Newjak
I agree with Leo dialogue was off. He claims he could never beat him, then seems to suggest Hulk was foolish for thinking the same thing.

Then Thor hits him into space but could never beat him???

Originally posted by dmills
Huh? Which statements are these? One of the scans has a busted link so I could've missed something. But as far as what I did see, Thor was exhausted, the Hulk was bloodied, he says I can't beat you, never could blah blah, Hulk says I knew, Thor powers up and they both charge at each other for the coup de grace. Hulk gets blasted into space, Thor passes out. There is no subtext for any BFR out of necessity. None at all.

Thor put everything into that final shot to get Hulk as far away as possible from everybody, knowing he can't actually put him down, as he himself stated, before passing out. Some people are so immersed in the "BFR=forum victory so Thor must be lying! Let's ignore the statement" mentality it's amusing.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So it was refreshing to watch Thor be like, "Dammit, could never beat you by hitting you with hammer and lightning. Zounds, I got idea! I hit you with hammer and lightning again... just harder!" Because, I mean, that's essentially all he did. 😂 I find an easy middle ground in Thor's own words, "To be... continued..." It really always ended that way, and it probably always will.

Originally posted by Newjak
I agree with Leo dialogue was off. He claims he could never beat him, then seems to suggest Hulk was foolish for thinking the same thing.

Then Thor hits him into space but could never beat him???

Hulk flies back to earth afterwards, it was a momentary win for thor. this is fine. if hulk didnt have the hammer to get back he'd be lost in space forever (or until he found some plot device like a starship to hijack)

Originally posted by 753
"I know I cant beat you" would be the one that gave it away. that was followed by the BFR, I dont see what else is necessary to connect the dots here

You can certainly extrapolate that. But don't make it seem as if a plain reading of the scene leads to that conclusion. As I said one of those scans says something about not being able to hot link or some such so I couldn't see the rest.