Teens Arrested in Alleged Massacre Plot

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
No doubt a1. And no I'm not, I know plenty of people that raise their children that way Lana. But then you and I have had this whole arguement once before (remember the locks on kids doors thread? 😂 🙂

Yes, well, I see no point as to why a teenager, someone who is nearly an adult, should not be able to have privacy and a lock on their door. I do, and it's a key lock. My mom is fine with letting me have it because, oh, concept here....she trusts me. She doesn't know every little thing that's going on in my life, she knows it, she's fine with it, because she respects the fact that not everything I do is her business.

Now, if your kid is a trouble case, like these two seem to be, then I'd see more reason for keeping an eye on them and watching what they do. But if they're not.....why do you need to know everything they're doing? That's just going to cause resentment from the kid.

In your house, yes. In their minds? No. You may like to think so, but no. Because you're not psychic are you? No.

Very good point.

Hey, guess what? I'm 15. Am I plotting to murder anyone? No. But, my dad doesn't really know what happens in my school, in fact I do not comminucate what happens there at all, and neither do ANY of my friends (Or anyone else in the school for that matter, except PTA member's children).

Since this case was blamed on general "Makin' fun of- <insert name here>", and since most kids don't really communicate what is going on at school, and since random massacre's are not something that every child will do by the age of 18, and since in my experience and the experience from my friends of both genders, children don't respond well to parental 'probing' of their lives, I conclude the parents wouldn't have had a f*cking clue what was about to happen.

So, where were the parents at? Living their life with free will, much like the children who were at ages 15 and 17... well above the age to know the difference between right and wrong.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, not at all. That's the belief of self-righteous parents who aren't willing to admit that anyone else who hasn't shared in the "amazing" experience of having a kid, has a valid opinion on raising one. Apparantly you share this. Nothing I'm saying is invalid and nothing you've said makes any kind of relevant or realistic sense. So maybe rethink your stance.

In your house, yes. In their minds? No. You may like to think so, but no. Because you're not psychic are you? No.

Don't use that lame excuse just because you've been exposed as the bearer or a faulty, self-righteous point of view by someone who's younger than you. It's not gonna garner you any respect.

The fact is, you said the parents are to blame. Why? Because you happened to have no trouble with your kids? Not all parents are as psychic as you. Your argument is flawed.

They're 17 and 14, not 6 and 4 as I previously said.

-AC

Do you even read what I write before you post? I specifically stated that a parent should know what was going on under their roof. NOT that they should be expected to know everything said child does while they are away from home. Once again for those of you in the cheap seats, these parents should have had full knowledge that their kids had these materials in their home. Secondly, that old whining mantra that you so often chant, that people older than you have some kind of grudge against you having an opinion is bullshit. Its called life experience and you simply do not have as much as someone who has been there, it's a fact and until you do, your argument doesn't get to have as much weight.

Exactly.

"I know what goes on with my kids. Trust me, they'd never think of doing anything bad. I've searched his room before, you always fear that you're gonna find something bad don't you? Luckily I didn't."

I overheard one of my mum's friend saying this not too long ago. Funny, because a day after that I saw said guy dealing drugs on a corner as I went to a friend's house.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Exactly.

"I know what goes on with my kids. Trust me, they'd never think of doing anything bad. I've searched his room before, you always fear that you're gonna find something bad don't you? Luckily I didn't."

I overheard one of my mum's friend saying this not too long ago. Funny, because a day after that I saw said guy dealing drugs on a corner as I went to a friend's house.

-AC

Oh I know. I've seen so many cases of that.

A little respect and trust go a long way with kids.

Originally posted by Lana
Oh I know. I've seen so many cases of that.

A little respect and trust go a long way with kids.

Originally posted by Snoopbert
Hey, guess what? I'm 15. Am I plotting to murder anyone? No. But, my dad doesn't really know what happens in my school, in fact I do not comminucate what happens there at all, and neither do ANY of my friends (Or anyone else in the school for that matter, except PTA member's children).

Since this case was blamed on general "Makin' fun of- <insert name here>", and since most kids don't really communicate what is going on at school, and since random massacre's are not something that every child will do by the age of 18, and since in my experience and the experience from my friends of both genders, children don't respond well to parental 'probing' of their lives, I conclude the parents wouldn't have had a f*cking clue what was about to happen.

So, where were the parents at? Living their life with free will, much like the children who were at ages 15 and 17... well above the age to know the difference between right and wrong.

Originally posted by Lana
Oh I know. I've seen so many cases of that.

A little respect and trust go a long way with kids.

Originally posted by a1hsauce
And I refuse to believe that the parents were oblivios to the fact that stuff like that was being planned literally right in the next room

Then you refuse to believe it. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Do you even read what I write before you post? I specifically stated that a parent should know what was going on under their roof. NOT that they should be expected to know everything said child does while they are away from home. Once again for those of you in the cheap seats, these parents should have had full knowledge that their kids had these materials in their home.

Besides all that being as blinkered as hell, one question springs to mind:

If your kids gave you the impression that NOTHING was untoward, no trouble or anything. What reason would you have to think "Hmm, better search their rooms incase they have materials to massacre"? Did you ever do this:

If the answer is no, then my point is proven. If the answer is yes, then by your own definition you're a sucky parent for not having trust in your kids. Ouch, hypocricy is so bad isn't it?

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Secondly, that old whining mantra that you so often chant, that people older than you have some kind of grudge against you having an opinion is bullshit. Its called life experience and you simply do not have as much as someone who has been there, it's a fact and until you do, your argument doesn't get to have as much weight.

It's also a fact that you're still using that after I've proven piece by piece that what you're saying is just self-righteous BS does it? Yes.

You're talking nonsense and I continually prove so. In retaliation, you say things as you did above and/or say you're refusing to discuss. Pointless and ironically childish.

This has nothing to do with life experience, everyone has "life experience". I don't have kid experience, why does this mean I have no knowledge of parents? Both my brother and sister are parents, my parents are obviously parents.

What you must mean then is that until I have a kid who sways my opinion, I have no "relevant" opinion? Do you see the failed logic in there? My guess is no, you do not.

-AC

Originally posted by Snoopbert
Indeed. My dad treats me like I'm an adult... while the consequences of fook-ups are that an adult would recieve, I do get privacy and respect and I give it back. Generally if he asks, I'll tell.

Funny, I seem to recall a post of yours a little while back in the OTF about how your dad wouldnt dare confront you about anything because you'd beat him down. That sounds absolutely nothing like respect to me.

Originally posted by a1hsauce

how does a kid come to the point where "oh hey, I think i want to go kill some friends" it doesnt happen overnight. it takes time a looooong time. And I refuse to believe that the parents were oblivios to the fact that stuff like that was being planned literally right in the next room

Walls are an effective detterent for one, and another, why would the parents recognize that they had bomb-construction instructions/materials? What makes everyone here think that everyone automatically knows what everything is?

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Funny, I seem to recall a post of yours a little while back in the OTF about how your dad wouldnt dare confront you about anything because you'd beat him down. That sounds absolutely nothing like respect to me.

Originally posted by a1hsauce
until the point where its taken advantage of

If it gets taken advantage of, it gets taken away. But a kid with their parents breathing down their neck is much more likely to do something stupid than one that gets a bit of privacy.

Originally posted by Snoopbert
Indeed. My dad treats me like I'm an adult... while the consequences of fook-ups are that an adult would recieve, I do get privacy and respect and I give it back. Generally if he asks, I'll tell.

Same here. My mom has always treated me like an adult - probably because of with my family situation I got stuck with a lot of responsibility at a young age.

I don't think it's fair to blame the parents to a full extent. Firstly, they could each come from a single parent home where the mother/father work extremely long hours to provide for brothers or sisters or these boys themselves.

Inded Lana, my dad's a single parent... the odlest in the family get's stuck with a lot of responsibility.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Then you refuse to believe it. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

-AC

okay, so then by that post you concede that fact that parents either a) are blind to it or b) refuse to see it. either way theyre at fault for not communicating with their child. not seeing the warning signs and hell a long stretch if a Judge wants to be a dick about it, he can slap on an accessory charge to the parents as well for having that kind of crap go in in that household.

Originally posted by a1hsauce
okay, so then by that post you concede that fact that parents either a) are blind to it or b) refuse to see it. either way theyre at fault for not communicating with their child. not seeing the warning signs and hell a long stretch if a Judge wants to be a dick about it, he can slap on an accessory charge to the parents as well for having that kind of crap go in in that household.

No, where did you get that from?

I'm saying that you refusing to believe things doesn't mean they don't happen. All I believe is what I've said in previous posts and haven't seen a suitable counter-argument yet.

So feel free to go on.

You won't know what your kid doesn't want you to know. I know because I've been a kid hiding things from my parents who have always been there and raised me right. So has everyone at some point. That argument is lame.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Then you refuse to believe it. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Besides all that being as blinkered as hell, one question springs to mind:

If your kids gave you the impression that NOTHING was untoward, no trouble or anything. What reason would you have to think "Hmm, better search their rooms incase they have materials to massacre"? Did you ever do this:

If the answer is no, then my point is proven. If the answer is yes, then by your own definition you're a sucky parent for not having trust in your kids. Ouch, hypocricy is so bad isn't it?

Let me clear something up for you ok? I'm from the point of view where the only thing you owe your child while they live under your roof is love, food, clothing & shelter. I don't "owe my kid anything beyond that. They have to earn my respect. And your quaint little biting way of debating, is silly. Stop trying to pass yourself off as some kind of orator because you aren't.

It's also a fact that you're still using that after I've proven piece by piece that what you're saying is just self-righteous BS does it? Yes.

You're talking nonsense and I continually prove so. In retaliation, you say things as you did above and/or say you're refusing to discuss. Pointless and ironically childish.

This has nothing to do with life experience, everyone has "life experience". I don't have kid experience, why does this mean I have no knowledge of parents? Both my brother and sister are parents, my parents are obviously parents.

What you must mean then is that once I have a kid who sways my opinion, I have no "relevant" opinion? Do you see the failed logic in there? My guess is no, you do not.

-AC

Again I didn't say your opinion wasn't relevant, what I said was that it doesn't carry as much weight. Please learn to read my responses before you fabricate what you want them to say. 🙄

And Silver, I didnt say they should take all the blame, I said they should share in it.

You sound like White Snow Angel "If you re-read my first post, you'll see I agree with you. 😉 😉 😉"

Originally posted by Snoopbert
Walls are an effective detterent for one, and another, why would the parents recognize that they had bomb-construction instructions/materials? What makes everyone here think that everyone automatically knows what everything is?

Originally posted by Lana
If it gets taken advantage of, it gets taken away. But a kid with their parents breathing down their neck is much more likely to do something stupid than one that gets a bit of privacy.

Same here. My mom has always treated me like an adult - probably because of with my family situation I got stuck with a lot of responsibility at a young age.

What the hell? Why would a parent read about how to make a bomb and what a bomb looks like? Then you'll get labeled as a terrorist or something along those lines.

I've never once looked up either of those things, and I've had my own internet access for 4 years.