Teens Arrested in Alleged Massacre Plot

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Let me clear something up for you ok? I'm from the point of view where the only thing you owe your child while they live under your roof is love, food, clothing & shelter. I don't "owe my kid anything beyond that. They have to [b]earn[b/] my respect. And your quaint little biting way of debating, is silly. Stop trying to pass yourself off as some kind of orator because you aren't.

Yeah, pretty post and all that, but where's the relevance?

Answer my question, here it is:

If your kids gave you the impression that NOTHING was untoward, no trouble or anything. What reason would you have to think "Hmm, better search their rooms incase they have materials to massacre"? Did you ever do this?

Answer please.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Again I didst say you opinion wasn't relevant, what I said was that it doesn't carry as much weight. Please learn to read my responses before you fabricate what you want them to say. 🙄

Yours doesn't carry weight just because you have a kid, toots. Why? Because it's still a flawed and so far, broken point of view. As I've proven so far.

Hide behind "I have a kid" all you want, it's not giving your relevant argument any more power. It's just making you look more compromised and biased.

-AC

Originally posted by Snoopbert
What the hell? Why would a parent read about how to make a bomb and what a bomb looks like? Then you'll get labeled as a terrorist or something along those lines.

I've never once looked up either of those things, and I've had my own internet access for 4 years.

my response was, the parent should read the damn instructions. read it. if it looks funny, ask about it? ask the kid, 'hey is that for a science project, ASK!?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yeah, pretty post and all that, but where's the relevance?

Answer my question, here it is:

If your kids gave you the impression that NOTHING was untoward, no trouble or anything. What reason would you have to think "Hmm, better search their rooms incase they have materials to massacre"? Did you ever do this?

Answer please.

Yep, I went through my older children's room on a regular basis. My house~my right. I don't expect you or anyone else to agree with it, but then again, it's my house not yours.

Yours doesn't carry weight just because you have a kid, toots. Why? Because it's still a flawed and so far, broken point of view. As I've proven so far.

Hide behind "I have a kid" all you want, it's not giving your relevant argument any more power. It's just making you look more compromised and biased.

-AC [/B]

I can live with that as your opinion has no bearing whatsoever on my life. 🙂 🙂

I think the main point here is these kids had been thrown out of the school they were planning to commit the massacre in. That alone should have been a HUGE tipoff and the fact that their parents were obviously clueless is shameful. Can you explain their responsibility away on that?

But, what makes you think such bomb instructions were laying right there on the bed? The kids obviously knew the signifance of those instructions. Why would they leave them right there for the parents to see?

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Yep, I went through my older children's room on a regular basis. My house my right. Don;t expect you or anyone else to agree with it, but then again, it's my house not yours.

I can live with that as your opinion has no bearing whatsoever on my life. 🙂 🙂

I think the main point here is these kids had been thrown out of the school they were planning to commit the massacre in. Thats should have been a HUGE tipoff and the fact that their parents were obviously clueless is shameful. Can you explain their responsibility away on that?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yeah, pretty post and all that, but where's the relevance?

Answer my question, here it is:

If your kids gave you the impression that NOTHING was untoward, no trouble or anything. What reason would you have to think "Hmm, better search their rooms incase they have materials to massacre"? Did you ever do this?

Answer please.

Yours doesn't carry weight just because you have a kid, toots. Why? Because it's still a flawed and so far, broken point of view. As I've proven so far.

Hide behind "I have a kid" all you want, it's not giving your relevant argument any more power. It's just making you look more compromised and biased.

-AC

just saying, youre arguments could be alot more effective if you could leave those out 😬

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Yep, I went through my older children's room on a regular basis. My house my right. Don;t expect you or anyone else to agree with it, but then again, it's my house not yours.

Haha, and despite your kids apparantly giving you no problems, you still checked their rooms "incase" they managed to slip something by you? Well then my point is proven.

Parents do trust their kids enough not to go checking their rooms for dangerous materials. Contrary to your belief, it's not a good thing if you have to regularly search your kids rooms for dangerous things, even worse if you CHOOSE to.

My point is proven.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
I can live with that as your opinion has no bearing whatsoever on my life. 🙂 🙂

I think the main point here is these kids had been thrown out of the school they were planning to commit the massacre in. Thats should have been a HUGE tipoff and the fact that their parents were obviously clueless is shameful. Can you explain their responsibility away on that?

Where do you connect "Kid gets thrown out of school" with "Kid is planning a massacre"?

Just curious.

-AC

Originally posted by Snoopbert
But, what makes you think such bomb instructions were laying right there on the bed? The kids obviously knew the signifance of those instructions. Why would they leave them right there for the parents to see?

Originally posted by a1hsauce
dude I have tremendous respect for you, you can argue with the best of em, but I dunno if anyones ever told you, its kind of a huge turn off and a resentment tool when you keep saying someones opinions are lame and using words like toots. 😬 someone could take it as condescension.

just saying, youre arguments could be alot more effective if you could leave those out 😬

Condescension like "Your opinion doesn't hold as much weight because your not a parent, I am."?

Oh wait...

-AC

Originally posted by a1hsauce
dude I have tremendous respect for you, you can argue with the best of em, but I dunno if anyones ever told you, its kind of a huge turn off and a resentment tool when you keep saying someones opinions are lame and using words like toots. 😬 someone could take it as condescension.

just saying, youre arguments could be alot more effective if you could leave those out 😬

Yup, kind of belies anything of relevance that he's trying to convey doesn't it. 😂

And Snoop had they known it wouldnt have got to tht point if they were decent parents wouldnt it have?

Originally posted by a1hsauce
okay granted they might not have been laying around everywhere, how bout the other signs. signs like carving the Word Hate in your arm. now thats gotta spell trouble. Or is there a fashion trend that im not up to date with? I gotta keep hip too you know

No, but seriously, that is a sign, but it could easily be chalked up to different problems... though, there is no information on whether or not they were being "helped" for such things as depression (That the parents might've been clued in on). Or maybe they just though they were goth/emo?

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Yup, kind of belies anything of relevance that he's trying to convey doesn't it. 😂

No, it doesn't at all does it? Everything I've said is still as relevant. That's you desperately trying to find an excuse to write off my posts because they're taking apart your argument.

Shame that.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Condescension like "Your opinion doesn't hold as much weight because your not a parent, I am."?

Oh wait...

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Condescension like "Your opinion doesn't hold as much weight because your not a parent, I am."?

Oh wait...

-AC

No, it would be like me opening my mouth in a debate about the effects of cocaine usage. That's something Ive never experienced therefore I have no business acting like I know what I am talking about in a conversation about said topic. Much like you and this topic. And will you please grow up? NO ONE here is desperately trying to do anything to you. Sheesh. And go back and answer my question.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Condescension like "Your opinion doesn't hold as much weight because your not a parent, I am."?

Oh wait...

-AC

"And Snoop had they known it wouldnt have got to tht point if they were decent parents wouldnt it have?"

Huh?

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
No, it would be like me opening my mouth in a debate about the effects of cocaine usage. That's something Ive never experienced therefore I have no business acting like I know what I am talking about in a conversation about said topic. Much like you and this topic. And will you please grow up? NO ONE here is desperately trying to do anything to you. Sheesh. And go back and answer my question.

Originally posted by Snoopbert
"And Snoop had they known it wouldnt have got to tht point if they were decent parents wouldnt it have?"

Huh?

You asked me a question and I answered it. Also I'd like to know just where I have made any kind of belittling comment to AC in this thread? I havent called him one single name or made one stupid analogy. Unfortunate he cant say the same. Reading the effects of cocaine usage and living them is far and away completely different.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
No, it would be like me opening my mouth in a debate about the effects of cocaine usage. That's something Ive never experienced therefore I have no business acting like I know what I am talking about in a conversation about said topic. Much like you and this topic.

But it IS possible to know about drugs and their effects. Thus being the point you missed about being a parent NOT necessarily meaning that you know the most about it.

It's even sillier that you are now saying I have no business acting like I know what I'm talking about in this topic, despite me tearing apart your arguments to the point that you're no longer replying to them.

Here's my last post:

Me: Haha, and despite your kids apparantly giving you no problems, you still checked their rooms "incase" they managed to slip something by you? Well then my point is proven.

Parents do trust their kids enough not to go checking their rooms for dangerous materials. Contrary to your belief, it's not a good thing if you have to regularly search your kids rooms for dangerous things, even worse if you CHOOSE to.

My point is proven.

You: I can live with that as your opinion has no bearing whatsoever on my life.

I think the main point here is these kids had been thrown out of the school they were planning to commit the massacre in. Thats should have been a HUGE tipoff and the fact that their parents were obviously clueless is shameful. Can you explain their responsibility away on that?

Me: Where do you connect "Kid gets thrown out of school" with "Kid is planning a massacre"?

Just curious.

Now if you could reply to these.

Edit:

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
You asked me a question and I answered it. Also I'd like to know just where I have made any kind of belittling comment to AC in this thread? I havent called him one single name or made one stupid analogy. Unfortunate he cant say the same.

Whether you like my analogies or not, that's kinda tough. Using them as an excuse is a bit desperate. I haven't called you a "name" either. You're self-righteous about parenting, that's a fact.

-AC

Originally posted by Snoopbert
Yes, we're all carving the word hate in our arms. 😐

No, but seriously, that is a sign, but it could easily be chalked up to different problems... though, there is no information on whether or not they were being "helped" for such things as depression (That the parents might've been clued in on). Or maybe they just though they were goth/emo?