Iceman vs. ? - seriously!!!
OK recently iin a lot of threads Iceman has come up and is basically unstoppable with his ability to reform by inhabiting any water molecules so does any1 hav any idea of who can beat him except for telepaths like Xavier (previous thread)as they can mentally shut him down.
Seriously who can beat him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wanna no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by Demas
- Time travellers
- Reality shifters
- Magic users
- Banishment capable Characters
- Anti-mutant powered characters
- HiTech SuperScience characters
- Life/power leeches
- Spirit/soul eaters/controllers
- psychological warfare experts
- writersThere's probably more....
Yeah thanx 4 that but this will probably sound stupid 😮 who are the Banishment capable Charactersand what can they do? 😮
Banishment characters means any character that can take Iceman and force him to be elsewhere/when in a way that he can't get back. Iceman's consciousness goes where his body goes otherwise he wouldn't have been able to time, space, dimension travel as he has in the past. So if someone has the ability to force him into another time, dimension, or space, he'd be stuck there.
Pyschological warfare expert would be someone who manipulates circumstances such that Bobby depowers himself and makes himself vulnerable- if not out and out taking his own life.
Originally posted by Demas
- Time travellers-depends on if they go back in time before he freezes them
- Reality shifters-same, depends on the mechanisms to there powers, if they have to go 1,2,3,4 to get to it Iceman goes 1 and there done- Magic users-^^^^
- Banishment capable characters- depends on the type of banishment, cuz if its bodily, iceman can keep his concsouisness here through mouisture inversion or hijack the banishers body
- Anti-mutant powered characters- Sentinals...they never fare very well agianst him
- HiTech SuperScience characters- only if they can block his absolute zero temps, and having their molecules stopped
- Life/power leeches- only if its automatic like leach, otherwise depends on who attacks first
- Spirit/soul eaters/controllers- depends on how fast they act, unless there telepathic, then they generally win
- psychological warfare experts^^^^
- writers 😆
There's probably more....[anyone above skyfather prolly can]
Originally posted by Crease
The Human Torch was a Herald of Galactus? If so, I need to start reading FF...What issues please?
dont know the issues sorry, but I can tell you that when he was he had Invisible Womens powers enhanced by Galactus, plus he could tell when people were lying to him....something about being able to see the invisible things (like people lying to him)
Exposure to cosmic radiation enabling the ability to turn self and other objects invisible, project force fields and create defensive or offensive shapes from invisible force energy.
Possibly possesses an extra-sensory perception to compensate for sight when invisible.
Power Cosmic granted by the astrogod Galactus enables god-like strength, speed, agility, endurance, invulnerability to all known diseases and environments and a heightened level of cosmic awareness.
Come now, don't be so protective of Bobby, he can take it (or maybe he can't considering his self-depowering in 178?). I'm not submitting a list of duelists for your consideration, this is a proof that Iceman is far from invulnerable and to that effect, fairly helpless against certain types of enemies.
Put another way, what can he really affect outside the physical realm?
Originally posted by Blair Wind
- Banishment capable characters- depends on the type of banishment, cuz if its bodily, iceman can keep his concsouisness here through mouisture inversion or hijack the banishers body
Disagree. We've seen that his consciousness goes where his body goes whether he wants to or not. Further we've seen his body banished to other dimensions and him being incapable of simply willing his mind back to Earth. Similarly, his mind posseses no time travel abilities, if you banished his body to another time, he'd be unable to will himself back. Finally Moisture inversion is not in current Iceman's arsenal. Hijacking the banisher's body 1. Requires the banisher have moisture- an assumption on your part. 2. The question is not what Bobby can do to defeat, people, it's what can people do to him.
- Anti-mutant powered characters- Sentinals...they never fare very well agianst him
You misunderstand, there are beings and technologies that cancel out a mutant's powers, cutting them off. Not simply a thing that is against mutants. Unless completely biased, it's fair to say Bobby isn't all that powerful cut off from his abilities.
- HiTech SuperScience characters- only if they can block his absolute zero temps, and having their molecules stopped
Come now, this is a commentary on how Super-Science is effectively "magic" by another name, don't try to make this a categoric statement (like a lot of your protests).
- Life/power leeches- only if its automatic like leach, otherwise depends on who attacks first
Or, lack their own coporal bodies... certainly Iceman has no protection against a ghost. You're depositing too many assumptions on the part of the attackers, this is simply a list of things Iceman is vulnerable to.